Counter Offer Declined

I did a 180 over the counter offer (as listed in the thread below). I decided that a smaller increase in pay now with increased opportunities would be better in the long term than a higher increase in compensation up front with limited opportunities to grow where I'm currently employed. I think I've made the right decision. Now I've got an end date here and a start date at the new place I'm very excited. It feels like I'm about to go on holiday. Proof if ever I needed it that the time to leave has come. I did unexpectedly get the guilt trip from some senior staff that it's a bad move because of x, y and z. I was also told they knew the director I'd be under.. there a good friend. I really didn't like that and that's killed off any doubts about staying I had.

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aftereffector

Good move! Best of luck at the new gig

pinkydapimp

aidan80 wrote: »

I did a 180 over the counter offer (as listed in the thread below). I decided that a smaller increase in pay now with increased opportunities would be better in the long term than a higher increase in compensation up front with limited opportunities to grow where I'm currently employed. I think I've made the right decision. Now I've got an end date here and a start date at the new place I'm very excited. It feels like I'm about to go on holiday. Proof if ever I needed it that the time to leave has come. I did unexpectedly get the guilt trip from some senior staff that it's a bad move because of x, y and z. I was also told they knew the director I'd be under.. there a good friend. I really didn't like that and that's killed off any doubts about staying I had.

http://www.techexams.net/forums/jobs-degrees/104427-job-interview.html

Congrats. In the future do not tell them where you are going. There really is never a good reason to share that.

cyberguypr

Congrats! My "101 reasons and examples why counter offers suck" list just became 102.

chopsticks

This is a smart move. And I also agree don't have to tell them where your new working place is.

tprice5

aidan80 wrote: »

I really didn't like that and that's killed off any doubts about staying I had.

That was nice of them to help you leave with confidence though!

pinkydapimp wrote: »

Congrats. In the future do not tell them where you are going. There really is never a good reason to share that.

I can see where you would share that information. It would be a pretty big middle finger if your boss, the guy you've been working with daily for the last X amount of time, asked and you just looked at him and said, "Nah". If you are planning on working in the same city for the next 10 to 15 years, you can bet that you are going to be working with these same people again if not once, multiple times, at one company or another. Best to leave as peacefully and respectfully as possible. Not that withholding that information is disrespectful in any way, it would just be difficult to not spill the beans.

Now if I didn't like my boss or I was being asked formally in my exit interview, that's a different story.

Plot-twist: Should you decline exit interviews?

aidan80

Thanks, I'm looking forward to the new job. I did give a lot of thought as to whether I should tell my current employer ahead of time or just give them the two weeks notice. I've always had a good, productive and honest relationship with my supervisor and considering when I leave certain projects will stall and die until they find/train a replacement I thought it best to be up front and honest about my intentions. I can understand in some jobs (my last one before this for example) I told no one nothing until I handed in my notice. These where two different situations. In my present situation I'm exiting on a positive and will remain in place and doing what I do until the last minute of my employment. Exit interview will be done with many positives noted as I have learnt a substantial amount, been retrained (more or less free) and picked up an incredible amount of experience along the way.

tprice5

aidan80 wrote: »

when I leave certain projects will stall and die until they find/train a replacement

It sounds like you could have really leverage this to negotiate a better rate before seeking a new opportunity.

aidan80

I tried that, executive level management beyond my division denied the request. Stating they could not afford to give me an extra 25% to do what I'm doing now (which is way beyond my pay grade and title) and not expect everyone else to want the same. On that level I can kind of understand however the time and money spent to reclassify the position to do the level of work I'm doing then the costs to train someone for 6+ months will outweigh the above short sighted decision made my senior management. Yes they enforced policy however they just cost the organisation an obscene amount more money and will waste at least 3 months with the position open. I did however offer to come back as a contractor (for a stupid amount) and the and train my replacement LOL. That is, I said if I don't just reapply and request more than the 25% I originally had asked for and get rehired! I was quite frank and told them you won't find another employee to do what I'd been doing nor another candidate that will check as many boxes out of the door. I also informed them this is what happens when they cut budgets so insanely tight that they have a number of single points of failure waiting to happen.

tprice5

aidan80 wrote: »

Stating they could not afford to give me an extra 25% to do what I'm doing now (which is way beyond my pay grade and title) and not expect everyone else to want the same.

Everyone else shouldn't know what you are making. I've heard at some companies it is a fireable offense to divulge that information to coworkers.

aidan80 wrote: »

I was quite frank and told them you won't find another employee to do what I'd been doing nor another candidate that will check as many boxes out of the door. I also informed them this is what happens when they cut budgets so insanely tight that they have a number of single points of failure waiting to happen.

It sounds like you played this perfectly, and if they weren't so short-sighted, you probably would've gotten your raise. Good on you for making a move.

aidan80

tprice5 wrote: »

Everyone else shouldn't know what you are making. I've heard at some companies it is a fireable offense to divulge that information to coworkers.

No one knows what I'm making but it's everyone knows everyone elses pay grades.

It sounds like you played this perfectly, and if they weren't so short-sighted, you probably would've gotten your raise. Good on you for making a move.

Thanks, I'm happy I did this even though it was difficult. I've made many good friends at work and felt torn about even leaving. I even felt bad for asking for more money however I can't afford to do this level of work for what is near peanuts. Other employers jumped at the chance to hire me.. it's 0 training for them and I can hit the ground running delivering something they've not had before.

pinkydapimp

tprice5 wrote: »

That was nice of them to help you leave with confidence though!

I can see where you would share that information. It would be a pretty big middle finger if your boss, the guy you've been working with daily for the last X amount of time, asked and you just looked at him and said, "Nah". If you are planning on working in the same city for the next 10 to 15 years, you can bet that you are going to be working with these same people again if not once, multiple times, at one company or another. Best to leave as peacefully and respectfully as possible. Not that withholding that information is disrespectful in any way, it would just be difficult to not spill the beans.

Now if I didn't like my boss or I was being asked formally in my exit interview, that's a different story.

Plot-twist: Should you decline exit interviews?

It shouldnt be seen as a **** you at all. All you need to do is say very politely when they ask "taking a role doing xxx at a company that does yyy." If they specifically ask the company name just say "id prefer not to say at this time." There really isn't anything difficult about it. Never had someone be upset at this.