really bad low paying tech jobs

I was browsing for some job openings in central texas and the lower texas locations using jobsearch.org and I came across these IT jobs at a ISP. I called the number on the company website to see if this a real company and they are real openings. The lady told me that hey are asking for an Associates Degree and 2 years experience. The first one is for a network tech and the 2nd one that you will see if for a Network Admin position requiring 5 years of experience, Associates Degree, firewall experience, extensive cisco experience, and they also want atleast someone with an MCP ceritification. What kind of people do employers think they are going to get when they post jobs like these?

1) State Job ID: TX5964792
Job Title: Network Technician
Company: TWIN WIRELESS
Location: US - TX, MCALLEN, 78503
AJB Reference Number: 26542314
Job Start/End Date: not provided
Job Type: Regular
Job Classification : Full Time
Hours/Week: 40 hrs/week
Salary Range: $ 5.50 per hour
Education: Associates Degree
Formal Training: not provided
Required Licenses/
Certificates : Class C-Standard
Experience: 24 months
Company
Homepage: www.twin.net

Job Description

Full time position for internet company. providing tech support, networking, installation of wireless equipment, server support, must be self motivated and srtiving to better himself. Must be physically fit and able to climb ladder. send your resume and sallary history with 3 job refrences to : dalleef@twin.net

Job Summary
State Job ID: TX5964796

Job Title: Network Administration

Company: TWIN WIRELESS
Location: US - TX, MCALLEN, 78503
AJB Reference Number: 26542312
Job Start/End Date: not provided
Job Type: Regular
Job Classification : Full Time
Hours/Week: 40 hrs/week
Salary Range: $ 7 per hour
Education: Associates Degree
Required Degree/
Formal Training: not provided
Required Licenses/
Certificates : CCNA and MCP
Experience: 60 months
Company
Homepage: www.twin.net

Job Description

Self motivated, good communication skills, time management skill, networkig and some programming skills, knowledge of cisco router programming and familiar with mail and dns servers. email your resume with job history and sallaries with refrences. job hoppers may not apply.

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raross

It is not that bad for someone with a 2 year degree looking for some experience to hopefully get a better job. They also state they are looking for someone with a 2 year degree. Granted, you could not live off of 7 dollars an hour, but everyone has to start somewhere, and now a days it is very difficult to get experience in IT. So I believe because of the high demand for these jobs, these employers are able to pay at this rate, basic economics. I think that is why people need to expand into other fields of computing, dont limit yourselves at networking/IT. Find a computing field that is not overcrowded, granted you will need more education to get into one of these jobs, but in the long run you will be more successful.

crap I forgot my old pwd

ya know what I think? Thats bullsh*t. That company will be lucky to get an applicant. I would rather eat my own shoe to survive than work that hard to get pissed on.

txtech

I would guess that the only people that would apply would be new graduates straight out of college who might need a part time job. But when I called they said that they are looking for someone with previous experience in networking and someone who is going to stay for the long run because they always have people leaving on them. I even wonder if they offer any type of raises or atleast some benefits?

crap I forgot my old pwd

It says in that 2nd ad 60 months experience. That is a long time. And a college graduate with CCNA? wtf are they stupid!? My friend makes more than that and he cleans the garbage cans out of the local strip mall plaza! And he got a 1.2 GPA in high school and will most likely never even finish college.

crap I forgot my old pwd

Here we go!!! I found the perfect candidate for this job! Call them, tell them we have their man!
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Ten9t6

They do this knowing that it will be a revolving door. They know that people will gain experience and move on. But, it is worth it to them. I used to work for a company like this....only making about 18.00 more an hour (although they billed me out at 150 and hour).....No one there got paid what they were worth, but we made up for it by getting more experience and moving on to better jobs. It was a rough job that lead me to better things.

In saying all of this....7.00 an hour is low. I was making more than this bussing tables in high school. I am not sure that I want someone working on my network that only makes 7.00 an hour. They pay that amount to people that cook fries. (not that that is a bad thing)

vex

Ten9t6 wrote:

They do this knowing that it will be a revolving door. They know that people will gain experience and move on. But, it is worth it to them. I used to work for a company like this....only making about 18.00 more an hour (although they billed me out at 150 and hour).....No one there got paid what they were worth, but we made up for it by getting more experience and moving on to better jobs. It was a rough job that lead me to better things.

In saying all of this....7.00 an hour is low. I was making more than this bussing tables in high school. I am not sure that I want someone working on my network that only makes 7.00 an hour. They pay that amount to people that cook fries. (not that that is a bad thing)

The McDonald's near me pays $9.00/hr+ to cook fries!! LOL

raross

Without a college education you will be lucky to make over 10 dollars an hour coming out of highschool or even with a 2 year degree now a days. I honestly think peoples vision of a buck is totally different. Everyone lies about how much they make, which is not helpful specially in a forum about jobs

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The average pay for a network admin is around 35,000-40,000 a year, that is basically 16-19 dollars an hour (with 3-5 years experience AND a 4 year college education). Which is barly enough to live on with 1 person (atleast with my lifestyle), specially with the increase risk of inflation. Then ofcourse, you have to look at the amount of people who are trying to get into this type of job, and the market is flooded. So, if the market stays flooded, the pay rate will only decrease, because of a nice principle of economics. You can find all kinds of neat information at the US Department of Labor, job stats.

My advice to anyone is to find a computer related job, that is not flooded and has a potential for large growth, this only seems reasonable.

kalebksp

That sucks. Up here in Alaska the minimum wage is somewhere around $7.25. I was making $11/hour at 17, and would probably be making more than that now, but I quit. Perhaps the cost of living really is that much different between here and there, but I couldn't imagine trying to live on that. To try and give some perspective I have to pay $700/month for a studio apartment, don't know if thats a difference from the rest of the country or not.

filkenjitsu

I live in knoxville, TN. I have a 1400 Square foot condo with 2 bedrooms that I rent. I pay $575 a month.

Lots of tech jobs here too.

The niche I am looking at is Telecommunications, Pays well above the average IT job in this area and the jobs come up often.

jacktheripper994465221

meh.. how bout a 40 hour a week unpaid intership requiring a bachelors and A+? dont believe me? go to caljobs.ca.gov...

40 hours unpaid... wtf is that?

Ten9t6

raross wrote:

Without a college education you will be lucky to make over 10 dollars an hour coming out of highschool or even with a 2 year degree now a days. I honestly think peoples vision of a buck is totally different. Everyone lies about how much they make, which is not helpful specially in a forum about jobs .

The average pay for a network admin is around 35,000-40,000 a year, that is basically 16-19 dollars an hour (with 3-5 years experience AND a 4 year college education).

I guess I am one of the lucky ones then...

I don't have a 2 or 4 year degree.....and make alot more than 16-19 an hour. But, I will finish the 4 soon...and move on to the Masters....So what I am say is, it is done all the time w/o a degree....You just have to make up for it in other areas...

D-boy

I wouldn't get out of bed for $ 5.50 per hour

, not for an IT job.

certificationjourney [ban

This guy sounds just like netteaser. If you're netteaser, forget this low salary for college graduates and IT pros thing. You hurt the pros'self-esteem when you do that. Noone will believe you. Post a link to the job description and I will believe you.

If you're not, then I still believe you know netteaser in some way. Bye

Best regards,

Megadeth4168

I don't have a 2 or 4 year degree but I have a job making 40K per year working 37½ hours per week with full bennefits, paid holidays, vacation, and all sorts of other leave time.

I started this job straight out of high school as a part timer making 7.50 per hour and after 3 years I got a full time spot here and have almost been here for 6 years.

I have found that 6 years work experience in IT speaks volumes but I still can't get other jobs that are looking for Cisco certs or Microsoft certs ect.... This is why I've decided to start working on my certifications again.

40K per year isnt bad for 24 years old but when you start throwing in my house payment, truck payment, credit cards and extra toys (like my quad) things get a little harder.

Things recently got harder since I got engaged and the woman I'm going to marry already has a daughter... I've come to the realization that while single 40k per year is fine but as soon as I'm married it's not going to cut it.

From what I've seen in my area and in my experiences is that the order of importance around here seems to be the following.

Work Experience (what you did and for how long)
Certifications
Colloege degree

I have a decent amount of work experience (6 years here and 2 years woning a small computer repair busniess) and I have started my studying for certifications. However I do feel it is essential for me to go back to school as well so I will be starting that next semester.

Anyways, I just wanted to point out that I started out with 7.50 per hour out of high school in a tech job and it eventually got me a full time job with the company making a lot more.

I can assure everyone that I would not have gotten the full time job without the 3 years experience I already had working here. I interviewed against people with 4 year degrees ans some certifications but they lacked job experience.

Sie

I thought my £9:00 ph was bad enough for the work i do.

Paid (poor) 1st line support though im doing Active Directory Admin and 2nd line support.

TeKniques

certificationjourney wrote:

This guy sounds just like netteaser. If you're netteaser, forget this low salary for college graduates and IT pros thing. You hurt the pros'self-esteem when you do that. Noone will believe you. Post a link to the job description and I will believe you.

If you're not, then I still believe you know netteaser in some way. Bye

Best regards,

I was thinking the exact same thing.

NPA24

TeKniques wrote:

certificationjourney wrote:

This guy sounds just like netteaser. If you're netteaser, forget this low salary for college graduates and IT pros thing. You hurt the pros'self-esteem when you do that. Noone will believe you. Post a link to the job description and I will believe you.

If you're not, then I still believe you know netteaser in some way. Bye

Best regards,

I was thinking the exact same thing.

I completely agree with both of you!!!

Sie

NPA24 wrote:

TeKniques wrote:

certificationjourney wrote:

This guy sounds just like netteaser. If you're netteaser, forget this low salary for college graduates and IT pros thing. You hurt the pros'self-esteem when you do that. Noone will believe you. Post a link to the job description and I will believe you.

If you're not, then I still believe you know netteaser in some way. Bye

Best regards,

I was thinking the exact same thing.

I completely agree with both of you!!!

No idea who netteaser is but...
the job number and search page are in his post?
With just a little searching.
http://www.jobsearch.org/seeker/jobsearch/numbersearch?action=JobSearchViewJob&JobSearch_JobId=26542314&JobSearchType=JobSearch

is the first. im not going to do all your home work!

boostedtc24

Where is this place at? Texas? Either that was a typo and they meant to put $15.50 an hour, or I think they are looking for Mexicans to come across the border and do that job.

int80h

boostedtc24 wrote:

I think they are looking for Mexicans to come across the border and do that job.

racist

Judd

raross wrote:

Without a college education you will be lucky to make over 10 dollars an hour coming out of highschool or even with a 2 year degree now a days. I honestly think peoples vision of a buck is totally different. Everyone lies about how much they make, which is not helpful specially in a forum about jobs .

The average pay for a network admin is around 35,000-40,000 a year, that is basically 16-19 dollars an hour (with 3-5 years experience AND a 4 year college education). Which is barly enough to live on with 1 person (atleast with my lifestyle), specially with the increase risk of inflation. Then ofcourse, you have to look at the amount of people who are trying to get into this type of job, and the market is flooded. So, if the market stays flooded, the pay rate will only decrease, because of a nice principle of economics. You can find all kinds of neat information at the US Department of Labor, job stats.

My advice to anyone is to find a computer related job, that is not flooded and has a potential for large growth, this only seems reasonable.

I believe its time that you start to site your references from now on.

I've lost count of the times you have posted ill-advised and un-substantiated information to the members of this forum. This is a professional gathering place, not a place for you to rant about your subjective ideas while belittling others who don't have credentials worthy of your approval. You obviously have no real experience with operations in IT or relevant business experience as well.

Not everyone lies about his or her pay…where did you come up with that fact?

Here is a link for you to reference that completely discounts your statement on wages for a Net Admin.

http://www.cabrillo.edu/~jgriffin/files/RobertHalf2006Guide.pdf

LAN/WAN Administrator for 2005 – 47K to 68.5K – Robert Half Technologies

Do a search at Salary.com for Network Administrator I using the median average.

Entry level Net Admin 2005 – 45.4K – Median for the U.S. – Salary.com

These are market rates for the job title of Network Admin, but that title is worth debating…

The job title for Network Administrator is so vague that it is completely up to the employers’ perspective. Nevertheless, I’ve decided to give you a bit of advice here, a Network Administrator is the core of IT infrastructure. They are responsible for everything related to IT in a small company; they are the Help Desk, Systems Admin, Domain Admin, IT manager, LAN Admin, CIO and CISO. They are responsible for a staff many times and must prepare payroll. They maintain a budget for IT and are responsible for writing proposals, documenting processes, and planning for DR. They encompass just about every aspect you can imagine within a Tech department. Do you think they do all of this for $35,000...no way. The jobs that pay that might call it a Network Admin but they are only responsible for one or two of the items listed above. I’ve been in both situations. Now imagine doing all of that but also designing a network from the ground up and coordinating everything that must take place according to a project management timeline and coming in under budget…that’s the job of a Network Engineer, which is what I do.

Please think about what you post because many individuals look to these boards as reference for their careers, your advice could potentially steer someone away from their goals. Especially when you have no experience with a particular career path.

sprkymrk

int80h wrote:

boostedtc24 wrote:

I think they are looking for Mexicans to come across the border and do that job.

racist

Hi boostedtc24:

I hope you weren't serious, because it is a legitimate point. Racism aside, the pay is horribly low. Its a fact (and facts don't discriminate) that illegal aliens that want to work in this country will work for substandard wages. That's not to say they do substandard work, either. If I were an illegal in another country and wanted to stay under the radar I would do the same thing.

Racist or not, there are companies that take advantage of that fact.

Anyway, I think that most likely college students will take this job just for the experience. Just because the company says they want 2 years xp and a 2 year degree doesn't mean they will get any takers with those qualifications.

boostedtc24

It was a joke and I wasn't being racist. I am, in fact, half-Hispanic. I was just stating that they are offering a substandard wage for an IT job and being that the company is located so close to the U.S.-Mexico border, they were looking for illegal immigrants to fill that position. Repeat, it is just a joke.

int80h

Then why didn't you say "I think they are looking for Canadians to come across the border and do that job."? Is it because Canadians are white?

boostedtc24

lol, that's not even worth a response.

TeKniques

int80h wrote:

Then why didn't you say "I think they are looking for Canadians to come across the border and do that job."? Is it because Canadians are white?

Are you kidding me? You know there are people who are not white that are racist.

Oh, and in case you are wondering, my wife is a Mexican.

raross

Judd wrote:

raross wrote:

Without a college education you will be lucky to make over 10 dollars an hour coming out of highschool or even with a 2 year degree now a days. I honestly think peoples vision of a buck is totally different. Everyone lies about how much they make, which is not helpful specially in a forum about jobs .

The average pay for a network admin is around 35,000-40,000 a year, that is basically 16-19 dollars an hour (with 3-5 years experience AND a 4 year college education). Which is barly enough to live on with 1 person (atleast with my lifestyle), specially with the increase risk of inflation. Then ofcourse, you have to look at the amount of people who are trying to get into this type of job, and the market is flooded. So, if the market stays flooded, the pay rate will only decrease, because of a nice principle of economics. You can find all kinds of neat information at the US Department of Labor, job stats.

My advice to anyone is to find a computer related job, that is not flooded and has a potential for large growth, this only seems reasonable.

I believe its time that you start to site your references from now on.

I've lost count of the times you have posted ill-advised and un-substantiated information to the members of this forum. This is a professional gathering place, not a place for you to rant about your subjective ideas while belittling others who don't have credentials worthy of your approval. You obviously have no real experience with operations in IT or relevant business experience as well.

Not everyone lies about his or her pay…where did you come up with that fact?

Here is a link for you to reference that completely discounts your statement on wages for a Net Admin.

http://www.cabrillo.edu/~jgriffin/files/RobertHalf2006Guide.pdf

LAN/WAN Administrator for 2005 – 47K to 68.5K – Robert Half Technologies

Do a search at Salary.com for Network Administrator I using the median average.

Entry level Net Admin 2005 – 45.4K – Median for the U.S. – Salary.com

These are market rates for the job title of Network Admin, but that title is worth debating…

The job title for Network Administrator is so vague that it is completely up to the employers’ perspective. Nevertheless, I’ve decided to give you a bit of advice here, a Network Administrator is the core of IT infrastructure. They are responsible for everything related to IT in a small company; they are the Help Desk, Systems Admin, Domain Admin, IT manager, LAN Admin, CIO and CISO. They are responsible for a staff many times and must prepare payroll. They maintain a budget for IT and are responsible for writing proposals, documenting processes, and planning for DR. They encompass just about every aspect you can imagine within a Tech department. Do you think they do all of this for $35,000...no way. The jobs that pay that might call it a Network Admin but they are only responsible for one or two of the items listed above. I’ve been in both situations. Now imagine doing all of that but also designing a network from the ground up and coordinating everything that must take place according to a project management timeline and coming in under budget…that’s the job of a Network Engineer, which is what I do.

Please think about what you post because many individuals look to these boards as reference for their careers, your advice could potentially steer someone away from their goals. Especially when you have no experience with a particular career path.

Hrm. Like I said, US department of labor does not lie, but I would not discredit salary.com just yet either.

Saying that I have absolutly no experience is rather shortcomb of you. Considering I have many more certifications, specially dealing in networking then you. Now I dont know your plans for the future, But you are correct about one thing. After looking at the job market, and the potential it has to grow, I have decided not to go into IT. I am now going into Bioinformatics/Computer engineering.

Saying I am lacking professionalism is rather ignorant of you also. Considering you're the one that is continuously trying to belittle my opinions and continue with your personal attacks. I have not said anything up to this point, because I am not hear to fight with kids about unreasonable opinions. I am simply stating, people should expand out of the basic IT field and explore into other facets of computing, specially the more advanced fields. If anything, this could only help someone in the near future, because of the flooded IT Market.

I am sorry you feel this way towards me, but I think it is time you grow up and open your mind towards other ideas rather then your own "local" view.

txtech

http://www.jobsearch.org/seeker/jobsearch/quick?action=JobSearchViewJob&JobSearch_JobId=26542314&JobSearchType=JobSearch

http://www.jobsearch.org/seeker/jobsearch/quick?action=JobSearchViewJob&JobSearch_JobId=26542312&JobSearchType=JobSearch

sprkymrk

Hi again boostedtc24:

Sorry, I was being dislexic when I posted my reply. I meant to address int80h. I knew you didn't mean anything by it. Bad form for my first post, huh?

Hopefully int80h wasn't taking you too seriously either. It's hard to determine a persons meaning using only the written word (as in forums like this). So much of human communication is done with facial expressions, tone, and body launguage.

Maybe if I do this:

People will realize what a nice guy I am!
Cheers.