Linux+ or RHCSA?

Skyliinez92Skyliinez92 Level 99 WizardPosts: 758Mod Mod
I am completely new to Linux, and I would love to get into it once I complete my MCITP and MCSA for Windows Server.

I have recently started a new job working in a RedHat 5 and AIX environment, and my TL is training me in the basic commands to be able to do my job (they wanted someone with no/little experience so they didn't have to pay me as much icon_lol.gif). I've used basic Ubuntu and Fedora VMs on my personal PC and this is the first time I've used it from a command based environment. I'm actually enjoying it more than I thought I would.

I've completed the CompTIA trio so I sort of know what to expect from the Linux+, but I'm quite frankly bored of their exam style and want to push myself. I think the RHCSA is worth more but only covers Redhat? As a newbie, would you recommend doing the Linux+ first or go straight to the RHCSA? What can I expect from the lab environments? With the Linux+ I can use Professor Messers videos and some Darril Gibson books. Can the RHCSA be self studied or is it better to do it through a course?

Sorry for all the questions, just want to prepare myself and gather as much info as I can :)
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  • JockVSJockJockVSJock Posts: 1,118Member
    Do the RHCSA.

    Forget about Linux+.

    RHCSA hands on/real world, were you build actual knowledge and skills.

    CompTIA Linux+ is a bunch of multiple choice questions, where you memorize an answer.

    Get yourself VirtualBox and the latest CentOS and you are ready to lab away.
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  • OctalDumpOctalDump Posts: 1,722Member
    Ahem, this question (and close variations) has been asked before:

    http://www.techexams.net/forums/linux/119884-linux-3-1-vs-rhcsa.html

    http://www.techexams.net/forums/lpi-rhce-sair/69009-rhcsa-linux.html

    http://www.techexams.net/forums/linux/118917-rhcsa-after-comptia-linux.html

    http://www.techexams.net/forums/lpi-rhce-sair/104627-rhcsa-v-linux-lpi.html

    http://www.techexams.net/forums/lpi-rhce-sair/78242-linux-dive-right-rhcsa.html

    http://www.techexams.net/forums/lpi-rhce-sair/103682-harder-linux-rhcsa.html

    http://www.techexams.net/forums/lpi-rhce-sair/89386-knowledge-gap-between-linux-lpic-1-rhcsa.html

    If you are using RedHat, then RHCSA makes a lot of sense. The current RHCSA is based on RHEL7, which is different to RHEL 5. Linux+ is very similar to the other CompTIAs in style, although I think it had 'fill in the blanks' which was a novelty.

    The RHCSA is a practical, hands on exam. Basically, you can do it however you like using the base installation and standard RHEL packages. If you want to use GUI tools to perform the task, then you can. All that matters is that you complete the stated goals. This very much suits most experienced SysAdmins since they will generally have a preferred way of performing a task.

    BUT, as you say, RHCSA is just Red Hat. So you don't need to know about apt-get, for example. This does have its good and bad points. Since it is much better defined, the scope can be better focused. You don't need to know 2 or 3 ways to do things to cover various distros. You just need to know the Red Hat way. This allows maybe a little more depth.

    You can self study for Linux+ and RHCSA (or even RHCE). If you go for RHCSA study through Red Hat from your current base, you'll likely need to take the two course route. It is rather... expensive. So ideally you get your workplace to pay for it :).

    I think there is some value in reading Linux+ before RHCSA, or at least a good general intro to Linux. There's some good stuff up on Linux Academy. Complete Idiot's Beginner Guides for Dummies type books can be good, too. Because they tend to be simple, it is a good way to build up confidence. Jumping straight into "Linux Kernel Development, 3rd Edition" can be overwhelming.

    Personally, I took RHCSA before Linux+ because I was able to get into an RHCSA bootcamp. I did have a several years' experience in Unix/Linux, though.

    Maybe set some small projects for yourself to work through on a VM. Create a user, set up a website, change network configuration, update a kernel, write a simple script, change the clock, set a cron job, partition a drive, install latest version of Fedora.
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  • thomas_thomas_ Senior Member Posts: 839Member ■■■■■□□□□□
    If you're in a Red Hat environment then I would do RHCSA all day everyday. I think any time you have paid work experience with a technology and the cert to back it up, it's a boon for your resume. Studying for the RHCSA immediately will help you learn and do your job better/faster in a shorter period of time. If you studied for Linux+ you would spend time on things that may not be applicable in your environment. If you wanted to learn a different distribution you could go through the Linux+ training and just not take the test.

    Disclosure: I'm studying for the Linux+ right now.
  • Skyliinez92Skyliinez92 Level 99 Wizard Posts: 758Mod Mod
    Thanks for all the answers. I think I will stick to training for the RHCSA as I am using it in my workplace, I was just curious on the training technique and exam conditions as I have really only studied in CompTIA and MS, and didn't know how it differed.
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  • OctalDumpOctalDump Posts: 1,722Member
    Thanks for all the answers. I think I will stick to training for the RHCSA as I am using it in my workplace, I was just curious on the training technique and exam conditions as I have really only studied in CompTIA and MS, and didn't know how it differed.

    A bit more about the exam itself. Basically you have a couple of virtual machines and a list of configuration tasks. The tasks are applied cumulatively to the virtual environment. So you might do something like repartition a drive, and then export one of the volumes as an NFS share, then use that to host home folders for users on the client machine. There's no 'traditional' questions at all, it's all hands on using commands like you would on a real computer (minus access to Google and the internet).

    Quite a few people who do the Red Hat RHCSA and RHCE exams describe them as 'enjoyable'.
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  • Skyliinez92Skyliinez92 Level 99 Wizard Posts: 758Mod Mod
    That sounds more enjoyable than basic multiple choice questions icon_lol.gif. I've done a few tasks in redhat similar to that; changing root and folder permissions via chmod, chown, copying files via scp, creating directories... what is the difficulty of the exam? It sounds fairly straight forward?
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  • DoubleNNsDoubleNNs Posts: 2,013Member ■■■■■□□□□□
    I find it funny that more people who recommend the RHCSA have the Linux+ and no Red Hat certs of their own.
    I understand people get certs for different reaons, and hindsight is 20/20, allowing people to give advice on what they'd do if they could do something over again. Still, I find it funny. ::shrug::
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  • OctalDumpOctalDump Posts: 1,722Member
    That sounds more enjoyable than basic multiple choice questions icon_lol.gif. I've done a few tasks in redhat similar to that; changing root and folder permissions via chmod, chown, copying files via scp, creating directories... what is the difficulty of the exam? It sounds fairly straight forward?

    It's fairly straight forward if you know what you are doing. The difficulty is remembering all the syntax and the process. It's not like real life where you can Google and adapt a recipe - you have to have it memorised more or less. Challenging for people like me that still need to double check the syntax for extracting a tarball.

    There's a bunch of different tasks, following the objectives, and not all of them will be things that you will do regularly, for example partitioning drives - that's generally a one off task, and for larger environments usually automated - or creating users.

    There's also stuff like SELinux, which doesn't go too deep for RHCSA, but is one of those things that far fewer people use than should, so you mightn't have any exposure to it depending on where you work.
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  • OctalDumpOctalDump Posts: 1,722Member
    DoubleNNs wrote: »
    I find it funny that more people who recommend the RHCSA have the Linux+ and no Red Hat certs of their own.
    I understand people get certs for different reaons, and hindsight is 20/20, allowing people to give advice on what they'd do if they could do something over again. Still, I find it funny. ::shrug::

    Yeah, I think some might forget that people need to learn some Linux from somewhere before thinking about RHCSA. Sometimes we forget how much we learn and how much effort we put in.
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  • ITSpectreITSpectre Posts: 1,040Member
    Honestly I was studying Linux+ and switched to RedHat. I mean regardless Linux is Linux.... It does not matter if you use CentOS, Ubuntu, or RedHat linux.... The Kernel is all the same. The difference comes into place where you see the different GUI's or desktop enviornments.... or different software packages. But the basics are the same... with minor command differences between the commands. To be honest at least in my area... Nobody is really looking for anyone with Linux+. They are all looking for RedHat.
    My issue with Linux+ is... with learning Linux+ you are learning 3 different Linux Distros in one book.... with RHCSA you are learning RedHat.
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  • Skyliinez92Skyliinez92 Level 99 Wizard Posts: 758Mod Mod
    Thanks guys. It all looks pretty clear that Redhat would be the best choice. I had a feeling but wanted to get peoples views on it. Once I get my MCITP and MCSA in Server 2012 I will work on the RHCSA. I'm getting training basically every day so hopefully it shouldn't take me too long :).
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  • doctorlexusdoctorlexus Posts: 217Member
    Linux+ gets a lot of hate, but I think that's probably because of what it was before CompTIA adopted LPI's testing scheme. I think it's a good cert now, especially since you get LPIC-1 with it.

    If you're looking for a job involving Red Hat administration, obviously RHCSA will be more favorable. But if not, I think Linux+ would be good to get. Just because RHCSA is hands-on doesn't make it better or more advanced, nor does it mean that you'll be more competent. In fact, I find a lot of things are easier hands-on when I have man pages to reference and I can look around and get a visual layout.
  • ITSpectreITSpectre Posts: 1,040Member
    Linux+ gets a lot of hate, but I think that's probably because of what it was before CompTIA adopted LPI's testing scheme. I think it's a good cert now, especially since you get LPIC-1 with it.

    I think it gets a lot of hate because the LPIC-1 is not even recognized in the states, it is bigger over the pond. Linux+ is good but its not enough of a ROI to get. For me (just my opinion) I think its a filler cert. CompTia wanted to be relevant and compete with other companies in every facet.... so they created Linux+, Project+ and the healthcare cert....
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  • doctorlexusdoctorlexus Posts: 217Member
    ITSpectre wrote: »
    I think it gets a lot of hate because the LPIC-1 is not even recognized in the states, it is bigger over the pond. Linux+ is good but its not enough of a ROI to get. For me (just my opinion) I think its a filler cert. CompTia wanted to be relevant and compete with other companies in every facet.... so they created Linux+, Project+ and the healthcare cert....

    Eh, I have my issues with CompTIA...they do seem like they want a cert for everything. Like Server+? Really? And Project+, I'm not sure about that one either. Net+, I don't know...seems like it's better to just get a CCENT or JNCIA IMHO. But their A+, Sec+, and Linux+ all seem worthwhile to me, depending on what you want to do.

    I don't think I'd get Linux+ if you're definitely going to get RHCSA. But at the same time, I'm not sure getting an RHCSA is going to be any more valuable than Linux+ if you're not actually working an admin job with Red Hat. Linux+ has the advantage of being more detailed and more diverse, which is a good thing if your goal is to just get a working knowledge of Linux in general.
  • gkcagkca Posts: 243Member ■■■□□□□□□□
    Linux+ gets a lot of hate, but I think that's probably because of what it was before CompTIA adopted LPI's testing scheme. I think it's a good cert now, especially since you get LPIC-1 with it.
    Imho, there's no "hate" towards Linux+, it's just the fact that there's no ROI - just do a quick lookup on dice and indeed and you'll find out that no one is looking for Linux+ certified peeps.
    And one can study and know Linux or any other thing pretty well without getting certified at all, but if you're going to spend your hard earned money on certification, then it makes sense to spend on something that's going to help you to advance your career and earn more and that's where RHCSA/RHCE excels unlike the Linux+.
    So to sum it up, study for both LPIC and RHCE, but take only the RHCE, unless you have some money to waste.
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  • doctorlexusdoctorlexus Posts: 217Member
    gkca wrote: »
    Imho, there's no "hate" towards Linux+, it's just the fact that there's no ROI

    I've heard that claim, but I'm not sure I believe it. I think having Linux+ on your resume could definitely help you get a job, especially if it comes down to two candidates, one with Linux+ and the other with no Linux cert. It gives the hiring manager some peace of mind that you actually have some of the knowledge you claim on your resume.

    I know that Linux+ is rarely mentioned in job ads, but that alone isn't evidence that it has no ROI. Just because it's not mentioned doesn't mean it won't have value when someone sees you have it.
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    I've heard that claim, but I'm not sure I believe it. I think having Linux+ on your resume could definitely help you get a job, especially if it comes down to two candidates, one with Linux+ and the other with no Linux cert
    Let's compare apples to apples - what if one candidate has only Linux+ and the other one is RHCSA or RHCE? It's like comparing a guy with Network+ to CCNA or CCNP - which one would more likely get a job considering everything else is equal? Would it make sense for someone with CCNP to get a Network+?
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  • ITSpectreITSpectre Posts: 1,040Member
    gkca wrote: »
    Let's compare apples to apples - what if one candidate has only Linux+ and the other one is RHCSA or RHCE? It's like comparing a guy with Network+ to CCNA or CCNP - which one would more likely get a job considering everything else is equal? Would it make sense for someone with CCNP to get a Network+?

    RHCSA>Linux+
    CCNA>Net+
    CISSP>Sec+
    PMP>Project+
    HIPPA>HIT (CompTia Healthcare IT Cert)

    Honestly if you are going to get a cert its better to get something that is not a "Filler" and something that you can use. Net+ does not fall under the Filler Category.
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  • ITSpectreITSpectre Posts: 1,040Member
    I know that Linux+ is rarely mentioned in job ads, but that alone isn't evidence that it has no ROI. Just because it's not mentioned doesn't mean it won't have value when someone sees you have it.

    I mean if you think about it... Project+, Linux+, and HIT are not even mentioned on job boards at ALL. I didn't know about project+ and Linux+ till I joined the forum. When people think of Linux they think of RedHat or CentOS. When people talk about Project Management they think about the PMP. In Healthcare IT the big cert is the HIPPA... in Infosec everyone talks about CISSP, Gsec, OSCP, CAP, CASP etc.... in Networking its Net+ CCNA, CCNA sec, CCNP, CCIE, and so forth..... part of getting a cert is mostly based on interest, ROI, and application (for me). So I would rather study harder and longer for a more recognized cert, then to get a cert that will just be a piece of paper with my name on it. IMO....

    IMO - I do not look down on Linux+, Project+, HIT.... I just think they are "fillers".
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  • doctorlexusdoctorlexus Posts: 217Member
    gkca wrote: »
    Let's compare apples to apples - what if one candidate has only Linux+ and the other one is RHCSA or RHCE? It's like comparing a guy with Network+ to CCNA or CCNP - which one would more likely get a job considering everything else is equal? Would it make sense for someone with CCNP to get a Network+?

    I just don't view Linux+ as lowly as you do. My mindset isn't "RHCSA trumps Linux+ for all things." If I'm not hiring a Red Hat admin, then no, I don't think RHCSA automatically gets the job over Linux+.
  • gkcagkca Posts: 243Member ■■■□□□□□□□
    I just don't view Linux+ as lowly as you do. My mindset isn't "RHCSA trumps Linux+ for all things." If I'm not hiring a Red Hat admin, then no, I don't think RHCSA automatically gets the job over Linux+.
    I'm not saying that "RHCSA trumps Linux+ for all things.", no, not at all - but what I'm saying is that the market demand for Linux+ certification is nearly non-existent, unlike RHCSA/RHCE.
    If you have time and money to pass both - do so by all means, it certainly won't harm.
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  • ITSpectreITSpectre Posts: 1,040Member
    gkca wrote: »
    I'm not saying that "RHCSA trumps Linux+ for all things.", no, not at all - but what I'm saying is that the market demand for Linux+ certification is nearly non-existent, unlike RHCSA/RHCE.
    If you have time and money to pass both - do so by all means, it certainly won't harm.

    I would say think of it like this....

    Would you get a degree if no jobs wanted one?
    Would you buy a car if you could ride a bike to work?

    RHCSA VS Linux+ = ROI for RHCSA vs no ROI for Linux+

    Its not about which is better.... its about getting the most for your money and have that cert and knowledge help you progress in your career or business. Some people prefer RHCSA others Prefer Linux+ but at the end of the day... Linux is Linux. And the Kernel is the same.
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  • VeritiesVerities Posts: 1,162Member
    ITSpectre wrote: »
    I would say think of it like this....

    Would you get a degree if no jobs wanted one?
    Would you buy a car if you could ride a bike to work?

    RHCSA VS Linux+ = ROI for RHCSA vs no ROI for Linux+

    Its not about which is better.... its about getting the most for your money and have that cert and knowledge help you progress in your career or business. Some people prefer RHCSA others Prefer Linux+ but at the end of the day... Linux is Linux. And the Kernel is the same.

    For what its worth, I have both certifications and I've seen ROI on both. My first jump from VMware sysadmin to entry level Linux sys admin was a $15K salary increase (my Linux + helped me in the door) and my RHCSA has helped me jump from admin to engineer at a $25k salary increase.
  • thomas_thomas_ Senior Member Posts: 839Member ■■■■■□□□□□
    I've been seeing Linux+ being posted as a requirement or a desired qualification for DoD contracting jobs.

    I kind of view the whole RHCSA vs Linux+ kind of like this, if you are a PC tech in a 100% Windows environment are you going to focus your studies on Windows PCs, MACs, or both? Personally, I would be studying Windows PCs. Sure it's nice to know how to operate and troubleshoot MACs, but it's not an immediate need in my current environment. I would get up to speed on Windows PCs, so I could perform my job well and then if I was interested I would start studying MACs to become more proficient and expand my skillset for future jobs.

    OP has already stated that he/she works in a RedHat environment. At this point why would you spend time studying an area that's not immediately applicable to your job? If OP was in a mixed environment it would be a different story and I probably would recommend Linux+ and to follow it up with RHCSA and then a LFCS.

    I don't care about what is in demand based off of job postings if I'm happily employed. I just care about what is going to make me a valuable asset to my current employer and allow me to do my job well.
  • ITSpectreITSpectre Posts: 1,040Member
    thomas_ wrote: »
    I just care about what is going to make me a valuable asset to my current employer and allow me to do my job well.

    Exactly. And that is what it is all about. icon_cheers.gif
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  • gkcagkca Posts: 243Member ■■■□□□□□□□
    thomas_ wrote: »
    I don't care about what is in demand based off of job postings if I'm happily employed. I just care about what is going to make me a valuable asset to my current employer and allow me to do my job well.
    Well, not that I disagree with importance of being a valuable asset to your current employer, but I would still keep abreast of the current job market as you never know when your current employer would become your previous employer ;) At least that's what my 17 years in IT taught me :)
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  • ITSpectreITSpectre Posts: 1,040Member
    gkca wrote: »
    you never know when your current employer would become your previous employer ;) At least that's what my 17 years in IT taught me :)

    ^^^^^^^^^ This is 100% real. I learned early on, to always keep 1 foot in the door and the other foot out... always be ready to move if the job ends, or the contract expires.... etc. Learned that the hard way myself.
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  • thomas_thomas_ Senior Member Posts: 839Member ■■■■■□□□□□
    I agree, but I think being a valuable asset to your current employer makes you a valuble asset to future employers(as long as you haven't pigeon-holed yourself in some obscure technology.) Once you're up to speed at your current job, by all means learn the things that will land you your next position.
  • JockVSJockJockVSJock Posts: 1,118Member
    DoubleNNs wrote: »
    I find it funny that more people who recommend the RHCSA have the Linux+ and no Red Hat certs of their own. I understand people get certs for different reaons, and hindsight is 20/20, allowing people to give advice on what they'd do if they could do something over again. Still, I find it funny. ::shrug::
    Think of it like this... CompTIA is like reading a book on learning on how to drive a car. RHCSA is like being in the driver seat as a student driver with the instructor in the passenger seat grading you as really drive a car. For the record, I've taken the RHCSA and failed. http://www.techexams.net/forums/lpi-rhce-sair/117027-t-minus-30-days-till-rhcsa.html I will try again soon, however with all of the shifting priorities at work and life, I don't know when that will be.
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  • thatguy67thatguy67 Posts: 345Member ■■■□□□□□□□
    JockVSJock wrote: »
    Think of it like this... CompTIA is like reading a book on learning on how to drive a car. RHCSA is like being in the driver seat as a student driver with the instructor in the passenger seat grading you as really drive a car. For the record, I've taken the RHCSA and failed. http://www.techexams.net/forums/lpi-rhce-sair/117027-t-minus-30-days-till-rhcsa.html I will try again soon, however with all of the shifting priorities at work and life, I don't know when that will be.


    Too true. I'm studying for the Red Hat exams currently.
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