DoctorLexus's CCIE R&S Thread

doctorlexusdoctorlexus Posts: 217Member
Tentative plan:

0) Build a solid lab
1) Purchase CCIE Routing & Switching v5 Written Exam Video Course - INE
2) Study everything from step 1 in detail, using web resources, books, etc.
3) Pass CCIE R&S Written
4) Avoid dating and relationships completely until lab exam is passed

...good enough for now.
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  • ITSpectreITSpectre Posts: 1,040Member
    4) Avoid dating and relationships completely until lab exam is passed

    This will be the hardest thing....
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  • doctorlexusdoctorlexus Posts: 217Member
    ITSpectre wrote: »
    This will be the hardest thing....

    Depends on your personality type. As long as I keep busy, I'll be fine. Plus, I suck at relationships. If I were to get involved with anyone while die-hard focused on prepping for CCIE-lab, there's a strong chance I'd simply neglect her or piss her off to such an extreme that she'd leave anyways. Hence it's best I avoid dating in the first place.

    Her: "You said we'd go out tonight..."
    Me: "What?"
    Her: "Wawa wawawa wawawa."
    Me: "Sorry, didn't hear you. I'm trying to focus on this."
    Her: "#@#$ you %@#%@# and @$##@$";
    Me: "OK, that's cool."

    *car peels out of driveway*, I go back to studying.
  • d4nz1gd4nz1g Posts: 464Member
    I am on this ride for a while, let me share my reading list with you:

    Routing TCP/IP Volume I and II
    Internet Routing Architectures
    MPLS and VPN Architectures Volume I and II
    End to End QoS network Design
    Developing IP multicast networks volume I
    MPLS Fundamentals
    Deploying IPv6 Networks

    Some of them are out of scope of the CCIE RS, but I added in order to learn things I work with (MVPN, L2VPN, etc) and to increase the complexity of my labbing. But I definitely recommend all of them.
  • doctorlexusdoctorlexus Posts: 217Member
    Thanks much. Have any good recommendations on BGP reading?
  • networker050184networker050184 Posts: 11,962Mod Mod
    Internet Routing Architectures is a good start on BGP. It's a tad dated at this point, but not much has changed with the base protocol.
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  • chrisonechrisone Senior Member Posts: 1,783Member ■■■■■■■■□□
    I thought you were all into elearnsecurity or OSCP security pentesting path.

    I don't know why I thought this about you :D

    Good luck on your path to CCIE! INE is good place to start for workbook/CBT/LAB/rack rentals. The books you listed seem on point.
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  • NOC-NinjaNOC-Ninja Posts: 1,403Member
    Depends on your personality type. As long as I keep busy, I'll be fine. Plus, I suck at relationships. If I were to get involved with anyone while die-hard focused on prepping for CCIE-lab, there's a strong chance I'd simply neglect her or piss her off to such an extreme that she'd leave anyways. Hence it's best I avoid dating in the first place.

    Her: "You said we'd go out tonight..."
    Me: "What?"
    Her: "Wawa wawawa wawawa."
    Me: "Sorry, didn't hear you. I'm trying to focus on this."
    Her: "#@#$ you %@#%@# and @$##@$";
    Me: "OK, that's cool."

    *car peels out of driveway*, I go back to studying.
    everybody goes through it. some people even goes divorce. I went through the same shi but she stayed. lol
  • doctorlexusdoctorlexus Posts: 217Member
    Internet Routing Architectures is a good start on BGP. It's a tad dated at this point, but not much has changed with the base protocol.

    Thanks much.
    chrisone wrote: »
    I thought you were all into elearnsecurity or OSCP security pentesting path.

    OSCP is a personal goal of mine, just not a professional goal. Hopefully I'll be able to wedge it in. Not familiar with elearnsecurity.
    NOC-Ninja wrote: »
    everybody goes through it. some people even goes divorce. I went through the same shi but she stayed. lol

    Bill Burr does a great piece on success and on how people you're dating will often never understand why you want to work hard at something to the point of not having time for anything else. You're lucky if you found an understanding one. :) I don't think I'd get that lucky.
  • gorebrushgorebrush Posts: 2,741Member
    Not having a relationship at all is actually a massive benefit.

    I'm married and I was very lucky that my wife would let me go away and study for 10-12 hours a day. Not everyone is so fortunate.
  • d4nz1gd4nz1g Posts: 464Member
    Thanks much. Have any good recommendations on BGP reading?

    Internet Routing Architectures + Routing TCP/IP volume II should cover BGP ~90%
    If you want to go deep on BGP for L3VPN, take a look at MPLS Fundamentals as well.

    As I said, it is way more than you need, but you don't need to be too strict about the scope.
  • doctorlexusdoctorlexus Posts: 217Member
    gorebrush wrote: »
    I'm married and I was very lucky that my wife would let me go away and study for 10-12 hours a day.

    That's a lot of studying. For the written I'm aiming more for 1-2 hours per day. I might up that if necessary, but I'm giving myself 18 months to get ready. After that, I figure another 12-18 months for the lab, for which I'll probably significantly increase study time.
  • ScalesScales Posts: 95Member ■■□□□□□□□□
    Tentative plan:

    0) Build a solid lab
    1) Purchase CCIE Routing & Switching v5 Written Exam Video Course - INE
    2) Study everything from step 1 in detail, using web resources, books, etc.
    3) Pass CCIE R&S Written
    4) Avoid dating and relationships completely until lab exam is passed

    ...good enough for now.

    My advice would be do not have a baby until you have attained the CCIE.
  • netdzgnnetdzgn Posts: 2Registered Users ■□□□□□□□□□
    Scales wrote: »
    My advice would be do not have a baby until you have attained the CCIE.

    Amen to this.

    To OP, you may also want to check out IP Routing on Cisco IOS, IOS XE, and IOS XR: An Essential Guide to Understanding and Implementing IP Routing Protocols. Updated and concise. icon_thumright.gif
  • gorebrushgorebrush Posts: 2,741Member
    That's a lot of studying. For the written I'm aiming more for 1-2 hours per day. I might up that if necessary, but I'm giving myself 18 months to get ready. After that, I figure another 12-18 months for the lab, for which I'll probably significantly increase study time.

    Little and often is good but 1-2 hours a day won't be enough imo. At least consider 4-6 hours per weekend day and 1-2 hours a weeknight that would get you 22 hours a week - and I'd say 150-200 hours just for the written would see you ready in 3-4 months - of course depends on your prior experience and knowledge
  • ClmClm Cloud Sec Senpai Denver Metro AreaPosts: 426Member ■■■■□□□□□□
    just a quick question are you jumping from CCNA to CCIE?
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  • jamesp1983jamesp1983 Posts: 2,475Member
    NOC-Ninja wrote: »
    everybody goes through it. some people even goes divorce. I went through the same shi but she stayed. lol

    Same. My boss told me exactly what would happen as far as a pay increase once I passed the lab so my wife was fine with it. We still had fights along the way and it was hard, but she was supportive for the most part.

    Good luck to the OP! I found MPLS Fundamentals and Halabi's book to be extremely beneficial.
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  • gorebrushgorebrush Posts: 2,741Member
    jamesp1983 wrote: »
    Same. My boss told me exactly what would happen as far as a pay increase once I passed the lab so my wife was fine with it. We still had fights along the way and it was hard, but she was supportive for the most part.

    Yeah - pay increase haha - Best I had was a 4% pay rise through having an automatic top rating for passing it.

    But I'm reaping the benefit now - taking a 40% rise for my new job (because my current salary is made up of an allowance for working unsociable hours)
  • doctorlexusdoctorlexus Posts: 217Member
    Clm wrote: »
    just a quick question are you jumping from CCNA to CCIE?

    Well, I don't plan on taking the CCNP exams if that's what you mean. But the study path will be the same. Still have to go through all the CCNP material, which is why I'm giving myself 18 months to the written. As I understand it, there is some overlap between CCNP and CCIE written material.
  • ClmClm Cloud Sec Senpai Denver Metro AreaPosts: 426Member ■■■■□□□□□□
    Well, I don't plan on taking the CCNP exams if that's what you mean. But the study path will be the same. Still have to go through all the CCNP material, which is why I'm giving myself 18 months to the written. As I understand it, there is some overlap between CCNP and CCIE written material.

    Awesome hope your journey ends well
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  • gorebrushgorebrush Posts: 2,741Member
    Well, I don't plan on taking the CCNP exams if that's what you mean. But the study path will be the same. Still have to go through all the CCNP material, which is why I'm giving myself 18 months to the written. As I understand it, there is some overlap between CCNP and CCIE written material.

    Overlap is an understatement!
  • KrekenKreken Posts: 284Member
    gorebrush wrote: »
    Overlap is an understatement!

    Maybe he is talking about CCNP Security and CCIE R&S written... There is some overlap there.
  • doctorlexusdoctorlexus Posts: 217Member
    Overlap is always good :)
  • gorebrushgorebrush Posts: 2,741Member
    Kreken wrote: »
    Maybe he is talking about CCNP Security and CCIE R&S written... There is some overlap there.

    Who said anything about Security?
  • KrekenKreken Posts: 284Member
    gorebrush wrote: »
    Who said anything about Security?

    Aren't we talking about "some" overlap?
  • gorebrushgorebrush Posts: 2,741Member
    Between CCNP and CCIE within R&S yes...
  • doctorlexusdoctorlexus Posts: 217Member
    This is probably a stupid question and not easily answerable, but if I studied CCNP R&S thoroughly, what percentage of the material on CCIE R&S (written) would I have nailed down?
  • IristheangelIristheangel ABL - Always Be Labbin' Pasadena, CAPosts: 4,098Mod Mod
    There's a huge gap between the CCNP R&S and CCIE. I would say the CCNP R&S is like dipping your toe in and the CCIE R&S tends to be jumping in and learning to swim.

    It's a lot harder to say percentages because you might touch on things like multicast, EIGRP, OSPF, QoS, etc in the CCNP R&S and get pretty decent at the fundamentals there but there's a reason why the reading like for the CCIE R&S is so long... you're basically taking that CCNP R&S knowledge and expanding on it in such a vast way. If I had to say anything, I would say the CCNP R&S is probably 30% of the way there... It's teaching you a foundation in which to build your CCIE R&S off of.

    One thing I found helped from other folks that jumped directly from CCNP to CCIE is that they studied for their CCNP with CCIE books. One friend of mine that passed on his first try at the end of last year was using TCP/IP Vol 1 & 2 and the CCIE R&S Vol 1 and 2 books in his CCNP studies so he was able to really transition a little easier to CCIE.

    I definitely wouldn't recommend skipping the CCNP in your case though... It's not that you have to take it but you just finished the CCNA R&S and you were struggling with retaining knowledge and overload on that. A CCIE is that times 10000000 with the books, RFCs and the 1000+ hours of labbing you're going to be putting in so it might be good to get the CCNP as a steady progression for you and make sure you have a job where you're actually using this knowledge.
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  • gorebrushgorebrush Posts: 2,741Member
    Hard to put a number on it. 40%?

    CCNP = You need to know a little about a lot
    CCIE = You need to know a lot about a lot

    There's also many topics you won't see on the CCNP these days, QoS, MPLS, Multicast to name three off the top of my head.
  • IristheangelIristheangel ABL - Always Be Labbin' Pasadena, CAPosts: 4,098Mod Mod
    gorebrush wrote: »
    Hard to put a number on it. 40%?

    I would even say that's being generous. It's probably dropped to 20-30% recently. Marko and a few other big folks in the industry have sort of blown up at how hard the CCIE R&S written has become lately. They did an update that made that test a beast... One of our fellow mutual acquaintances recently took it after studying for a year straight and failed with a 600-something. His words were "God damn, that felt like a service provider test.... WTF?" Bardlebee could also chime in since he recently had to take it as well.
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  • gorebrushgorebrush Posts: 2,741Member
    Yeah after I read your post I agree 40% is generous. I will say I did take the v4 written in 2013 - so obviously it's changed a lot since then.
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