Substitute exam still available for 70-412?
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Hi Everyone
First post, just wondering if there is still the option to substitute 70-412 with the Hyper-V or O365 exams when completing Windows Server 2012 R2 MCSA.
Since the Certifications were refreshed in Nov 2016 can't see these options listed on the Microsoft page anymore.
Thanks everyone in advance.
First post, just wondering if there is still the option to substitute 70-412 with the Hyper-V or O365 exams when completing Windows Server 2012 R2 MCSA.
Since the Certifications were refreshed in Nov 2016 can't see these options listed on the Microsoft page anymore.
Thanks everyone in advance.
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If you look on the 412 exam page it mentions the MCSA
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/learning/exam-70-412.aspx
If you look at the 409 exam page it only mentions MCP
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/learning/exam-74-409.aspx
I'm not finding any references to the 409 for the MCSA anymore. Unless someone finds something else, I'd say the 412 is the only way to get an MCSA 2012. There are other avenues for the MCSA now though focusing on different content areas.
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Thought this might be the case. I've heard 70-412 is a real headache of a cert but can't hurt to battle through it can only be beneficial for future development.
Thanks again.
You can see it under a certification planner option on your MCP page.
I have. It's passable it just covers some difficult areas that require a lot of focus.
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I think if you log into MS and check the certification planner, you will get a better idea of what pathways are available.
Doing the hard work for you, the options are 410+411 and one of 462, 412, 409, 346.
I have passed the 411 this morning and am looking into the 409.
The certification planner on my benefits and exams page shows its fine.
The new certification pages show that the 412 must be completed.
I called up the MS Regional Exam Center for Europe and have been told that the cert tracker is wrong and the website is up to date and the 412 must be completed.
Just wanted to check if anyone has had success with the 409 working as a substitute for the 412 for the MCSA certification recently?
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I did the 74-409 exam and was going to do the 70-410 and the 70-411 to get the MCSA, but, it's been a few days I can't access the certification planner to see if I can use the 74-409 for the MCSA.
Microsoft Certified Solutions Associate: Windows Server 2012
2 out of 3 Completed
I received the following from Microsoft when I queried why it was not showing on my transcript as credit towards the MCSA (since I just passed 74-409):
"Microsoft has updated the process about earning the [MCSA] certification. The update was completed this June 2017 and the exam 74-409 was removed as a substitute exam and all other substitute exams listed."
This needed to be made way more visible.
The certification planner is a mess right now. It says 2/3 for mine (see screenshot). But when I click the link, it says 2 requirements are needed.
Did they mention who will be affected by this change? Because I'm thinking this may only affect those who will just start with this certification track. How about those who are currently in the middle or almost done with it?
Can I get the contact info you used to contact Microsoft? I want to clarify my situtation as well.
You are right this needs to be more visible as there are a lot of people that are in the middle of the MCSA Server 2012 certification track.
Thanks!
It was very hard to squeeze anything out of them - they do not make this easy. They directed me to fill out this form: https://support.microsoft.com/getsupport?oaspworkflow=start_1.0.0.0&wf=0&wfName=capsub&productkey=visualstudio&locale=en-us
I received a reply about two days after submitting it. Here is the full reply:
"Thank you for contacting Microsoft about earning the MCSA: Windows Server 2012 certification.
Checking on the certification path showing on the MCP Learning site, it only shows the required exams 70-410, 411 and 412 to earn the MCSA: Windows Server 2012 certification.
Microsoft has updated the process about earning the said certification. The update was completed this June 2017 and the exam 74-409 was removed as a substitute exam and all other substitute exams listed.
The paths that are posted on the Learning site are correct. If you have further questions, please refer to the specific certification page:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/learning/mcsa-windows-server-certification.aspx
In addition, I have checked your Certification planner, and it shows that it was updated having the exam 74-409 removed as a substitute exam to earn the said certification.
If there is anything else I can do for you, please let me know. David, you may receive a survey in 5-7 days about this interaction and I would appreciate your feedback..
Thank you for choosing Microsoft.
Babylyn
Customer Service Representative
Microsoft Certified Professional
Office Hours: 5:30am to 5:30pm PT, Monday - Friday"
I have exact same thing in cert planner. Send email to MS yesterday to ask them for what is going on. No answer so far...
Did you get any update on this? I'm in the same situation, passed 70-409 in 2015, 70-410 last year and have my 70-411 booked for this year.
"We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience caused you.
I understand that you have exerted time, effort and money to take exam 74-409 and earn the MCSA: Windows 2012 certification.
Your feedback has been forwarded to the Business team for review. Usually, the respond within 3 - 5 business days. Once I have received an update from the team, I will immediately let you know.
If there is anything else I can do for you, please let me know. Thank you for choosing Microsoft.
Jarusel
Customer Service Representative
Microsoft Certified Professional
Office Hours: 5:30am to 5:30pm PT, Monday - Friday"
Same here. Today I had lengthy call with Microsoft about this. Firstly they said that electives are not usable since March, which is total BS since there are people even on this forum who got it at the beginning of this month using electives - http://www.techexams.net/forums/mcsa-mcse-windows-2012-general/127337-guess-who-just-joined-mcsa-club-74-409-done.html
When I asked where they announced that electives are no longer valid option they admitted that there was no announcement and tried to persuade me that the update on the MCSA learning site is enough, which again BS, because each time they changed something so far they always announced change months ahead on their Born to learn site.
When I asked why I was able to see this path in cert planner just a week ago they said that cert planner is still undergoing changes.
When I also pointed out that I am not alone who ended up in the same situation, they played dumb and said that they are unaware of any problems...
So I pointed them to this forum and asked them to investigate what exactly is going on, because this all seems really fishy to me.
My advice to all who are affected with this is to contact Microsoft and demand answers since we are all paying customers/test takers and this behavior and changing rules on the go without notice is totally unprofessional.
"We have done some changes to multiple systems to ensure consistency across the board. The information on learning is correct but there were still outstanding issues before with what's being displayed in Cert Planner as well as the entries in Cert Path Manager."
So,sounds like even now if you decided to go some path on Microsoft site, nobody could guarantee that path is not changed on the last moment and you should take another exam. Done with 70-412 and... Oh, sorry, we have some "outstanding issues before" and you should go to 413,414 etc.
"In addition, the coding for the Cert Planner changes are already implemented in our production. Hence, exams requirements being posted on your certification planner are correct."
Yea, code of mcp site so complicated, that was absolutely impossible to attach warning message about incorrect information in Cert Planner.
"Since this has caused you some confusions, I'll forward your concern to our Technical Support team for any possible arrangements."
Ouch, we have another Support Team on board. Let see, what they say...
Their current version is that option to use electives was discontinued at the end of March 2017. When I asked them how is possible that other people were able to get MCSA using electives after this date they said that it might be possible, but they are not sure why, so they will look into it further and let me know.
Not sure what the deal is as I'm about to take my 410 soon.
[note: I passed 410, 411, and (just a few weeks ago) the 74-409]
"Once we realized that there was an issue and how it was impacting candidates, we investigated and found that it was caused by a disconnect in two systems due to them containing different data. I want to assure you that I am working with the development team to make it right for you as well as for all other candidates who are in the same situation. The last update that they provided is that candidates should see the credential on their transcript by the end of this week. If that timeline changes, I will reach out to you with revised timing."
I just checked my transcript, and it's now showing I have passed the MCSA 2012. So customer service is not dead after all and it looks like this was just a screw up. I'd proceed very carefully though if you're currently planning on taking one of these electives. Probably better to play it safe and go 410, 411, and 412.