Recruiter asking for my DOB, Wife DOB and how many kids?

This is to determine my bill rate, in relation to insurance.

This to me sounds strange, anyone else ever experience this?

I'm not comfortable with this......

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Danielm7

No, can't they just quote a smoking or non smoking family plan?

DatabaseHead

Danielm7 wrote: »

No, can't they just quote a smoking or non smoking family plan?

She is staunch on this.....

My inner self

is telling me to decline this process for the greater good.

scaredoftests

walk away. a recruiter does not need to know this.

DatabaseHead

scaredoftests wrote: »

walk away. a recruiter does not need to know this.

Sounds like their hiring model factors in age. I don't list graduation dates and I only go back 10 years on my resume so they have no clue of my age.

scaredoftests

I don't either. Age shouldn't 'matter'.

DatabaseHead

"I think we're close on rate but I'd need to know your birthdate, you wife's birthday, and how many kids you have in order to pull up accurate benefit cost. Let me know that info and I can send you the best rate option I have".

Verbatim.

NetworkNewb

That is so weird... So do give they free health insurance or something to your family? Hard to see why they are reaching for this otherwise.

Basic85

Wow NOOOOO, that is a huge red flag and depending where you live those are illegal questions. Ask the recruiter what does that have to do with me doing the job? The answer is NOTHING.

MeanDrunkR2D2

If HR heard any recruiter use those words, they'd **** a kitten. Those are part of the verboten list of things you can ask someone for probably most/all states.

COBOL_DOS_ERA

Time to walk away from this job, I wouldn't feel comfortable giving out those information to a recruiter unless its with HR and for health benefits purpose, and that's after receiving an offer letter. Just like I always decline to discuss my salary history with the recruiter as i always ask them give me your range and I will let you know whether I'm comfortable with that or not. I'm not sure, but look like you are dealing with Indian recruiter, they are something to deal with. Stay away from Tata, Wirepro, Infosys.

iBrokeIT

DatabaseHead wrote: »

"I think we're close on rate but I'd need to know your birthdate, you wife's birthday, and how many kids you have in order to pull up accurate benefit cost. Let me know that info and I can send you the best rate option I have".

Verbatim.

"I disagree with the use of our ages and family composition being a factor in the hiring process and will not be providing them to you."

Put the ball back in their court and let them terminate the process if refusal to provide that data is a deal breaker.

paul78

FYI - https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/practices/inquiries_marital_status.cfm

DatabaseHead

paul78 wrote: »

FYI - https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/practices/inquiries_marital_status.cfm

Thanks for the heads up.

cyberguypr

Geez. Is this internal or external recruiter? Only ask because I always expect shady/illegal crap from external ones.

DatabaseHead

cyberguypr wrote: »

Geez. Is this internal or external recruiter? Only ask because I always expect shady/illegal crap from external ones.

Cyber - External.

cyberguypr

Sounds about right then. Hate them all!

SaltyHashes

Your gut instinct is not wrong here. I read the headline of this post and my gut churned inside. Huge red flag.

UnixGuy

i would thank the recruiter for their time and tell them that I'm not interested in doing business with them

DZA_

You sure your recruiter doesn't have a criminal record or is a serial killer? It sounds like anything goes with this recruiter. :S

krokodilo

I have found security guarding companies asking such questions like your eye colour, shirt size, martial status, mental health history, a picture of yourself and length of hair. I mean I can understand some of these, but even the ones potentially relevant to the job, none of these should be on an application form for a job you'll likely not get and in my country could be considered discriminatory.

I mean the background checks they carry out to get your security guarding/bouncer licence is enough really (unless you came from a foreign country).

DatabaseHead

So.....

I received another job req and a follow up asking for the same info, (same person). I replied back that I am concerned about age discrimination and haven't received anything back yet.

I'll keep you posted.

shochan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw

victor.s.andrei

DatabaseHead wrote: »

This is to determine my bill rate, in relation to insurance.

This to me sounds strange, anyone else ever experience this?

I'm not comfortable with this......

Sounds like she's setting herself and her employer up for an employment discrimination lawsuit.

josephandre

you seem to find yourself in some odd job hunting situations

DatabaseHead

So......

I went ahead gave my information even against my gut. After disclosing my age and family status she said the company was no longer interested. Sorry!

Basic85

DatabaseHead wrote: »

So......

I went ahead gave my information even against my gut. After disclosing my age and family status she said the company was no longer interested. Sorry!

Why did you do that for? If I were you I would file some discrimination complaint/lawsuit with the EEOC or some equivalent in your country.

MeanDrunkR2D2

DatabaseHead wrote: »

So......

I went ahead gave my information even against my gut. After disclosing my age and family status she said the company was no longer interested. Sorry!

You need to report that **** and visit a lawyer. You have an email chain and that is straight up discrimination. You will have a solid case and will likely win. Do it.

DatabaseHead

I'm going to look into it. Thanks for the feedback.

COBOL_DOS_ERA

Dittto, you do need to report this **************. This is scary, please report this to your State Attorney General's office as well to EEOC.

DatabaseHead

The context might of gotten out of whack due to my poor detail.

I emailed the information, my age, number of kids and my wifes age range.

She replied and thanked me

She replied back and said the job position was closed but she would keep an eye out for other position suitable for me.

Sorry, I didn't want to come off like it was immediate.

Here is the core exchange below.

My reply to her

Her name - I am in my early 40's wife is in her mid 30s and I have 3 kids.

Her reply to me.

Hey My Name,
This isn’t the best timing but as of this morning we’ve been told to hold off on submissions to Company A. It’s sounds like they have a few candidates to get through. I’m sorry.
Was there any interest in that Company B role?
I’ll let you know as soon as Company A opens back up. And I will keep looking. Thank you.

What I found strange is she said they were having a hard time filling this position prior to my note to her.

BTW I use gmail and have the full exchange.