1 Jan WGU Start.

MrsWilliamsMrsWilliams Junior MemberPosts: 25Member ■■■□□□□□□□
edited December 2018 in Colleges & Schools
Is it anybody starting the Master of Science, Cybersecurity and Information Assurance program on 1 January?

Either way. I am just honestly doing this to check a box and for fun. The other more prestigious university I applied to must have sent me an acceptance letter that got lost in the mail.

So, I will track my progress here and also give advice....starting now......

Several things have to be done prior to you being cleared to start:
1. Talk to enrollment counselor.
2. Submit transcripts  and have them reviewed and updated as received on your student portal.
3. Meet Eligibility Requirements. -
4. Intake Interview.
5. Financial Aid/Payment Plan set up.
6. Orientation

Most of the requirements have to be done in some sort of order. Without the first few being done a lot of the other options were grayed out. The university updating my profile to reflect my transcripts was the longest part of the entire process. I had all of my transcripts sent overnight, so believe me I know when they were delivered. I think I sent an email or two and the next day my profile was updated with the transcripts I know they received. 

You'll be given a course mentor, which is basically someone who is giving you mental/educational support and pep talks. My mentor seems cool, kind. But, I still think it's pointless to have one. I wrote him an email asking for more classes to be approved my first semester. He avoided that question and asked me a question. So, I emailed him again today. He has about 72hrs before I request a mentor change. 

Now to the meat and potatoes.

Once you have completed steps 1-6, which took me about 2 weeks you'll be cleared to start. Once cleared to start you can access the classes that are required. You can also see what assignments must be completed. What's so good about that you ask? You can also start writing those assignments.  You can't turn the assignment in now, but you can go ahead and get the writing of said assignments out of the way. I literally have completed 3 classes so far and school hasn't even started yet. I will go over each assignment once more, modifying it to cater to the rubric before final submission.

So, my first piece of advice is to complete all of the requirements prior to the 1st of the month (which is mandatory already) and start working on the writing assignments. It's a lot of writing, but I am also positive that I wrote more in my undergrad than is requested for this WGU graduate level degree. I think I wrote more in one class at another university than a few classes at WGU. Keep in mind *hint hint* they are asking for papers on X, Y, Z. They don't say it has to be 20 pages. If you can get your point across in 5 pages write it in 5 pages. If you want to explain yourself in 45 pages do that. This isn't high school where you are given extra credit points. Nor does WGU have a GPA scale. Either you passed the class or you didn't (another topic). In traditional school you can be a .5 away from a B or an A. With WGU, either you passed the class or your didn't. So, traditional school tactics don't apply to WGU whatsoeverrrrrrrrr.


I did the pre assessment for Secure Network Design C700 and passed. I had not read one page of anything, nor am I going to after I realized how easy it was. 

What I will say is experience, "Security" certifications  and my recent graduate level cyber security courses have helped. A lot of this stuff is just refreshers. 

The course only requires two certifications: CEH and CHFI. No graduate level courses are transferred in. I repeat, no graduate level courses are transferred in. The only thing that'll help you eliminate a course is either of the above certifications. 

 I've done three courses and school hasn't even started yet. I am sure I'll be at least MORE than half way done with my classes before 1 January. I am saving the CHFI training course for second to last before the Capstone. People say going so quick you don't learn anything. You are right IF the majority of this isn't new to you. A lot of this stuff is refresher and I was just in an graduate level course not long ago, that didn't transfer. Just remember I said this is a check the box degree. Keep that in mind. This wasn't exactly my first pick. It's just the cheapest /easiest alternative. 

I am sure I can be done in 30 days (If I take the CHFI serious, which I don't). It might take 60-90 days because I have no desire to obtain the CHFI certification and I might fail the exam the first time and have to wait for a retake. 

Either way, I'll keep you posted. 


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  • joshuamurphy75joshuamurphy75 Posts: 162Member ■■■□□□□□□□
    I'm starting Jan 1st. I still can't see my courses to get a head start though. I was told I won't be able to until the 1st.
  • MrsWilliamsMrsWilliams Junior Member Posts: 25Member ■■■□□□□□□□
    I have spent a large portion of time on reddit and other personal WGU prior student pages. I am confident I have seen someone who used the same technique I am using with the pre-start.

    I took a snip of my dashboard.

    Don't believe everything they tell you Rule #1.
     
    I attempted unsuccessfully to send you a snip of my dashboard. I also attempted unsuccessfully to message you. I received this:

    • You have to be around for a little while longer before you can post links.

     :/ 

  • joshuamurphy75joshuamurphy75 Posts: 162Member ■■■□□□□□□□
    Thanks for trying. I couldn't figure out how to send you a message through my phone. Was able to with a desktop computer though.
  • MrsWilliamsMrsWilliams Junior Member Posts: 25Member ■■■□□□□□□□
    I emailed my mentor on the 28th of December asking for a change in my courses. He hasn't responded. His first name is John, I'll say that. I will also say that his calendar had openings yesterday. So, I am quite sure he checked his email. I was going to give him the holiday pass, but his calendar had openings. So, he can't get a pass for not responding. He had some availability for appointments. He thought I was going to accept my enrollment today, the start of the semester and he was wrong. This is not a traditional university. WGU isn't a state university. The mentor is here to recommend and mentor.  This isn't a state university where you have to take a course in a particular order. He should NEVER compare WGU to a state university. Not even for a second. 

    I figured I'll play his game. He has an appointment for openings for tomorrow. I jumped on over and set up an appointment with him tomorrow since he wants to avoid emails. It's still highly likely I am still going to request a change in advisors tomorrow evening. He'll get an email stating I have an appointment with him tomorrow. I hope he responds to my email before then. 

    Tomorrow evening I am emailing requesting a change in mentor if the conversation doesn't go well . 

    The past emails to him, he responded same day. When I ask him to change my first course layout, no response. 

    I called the WGU number (two days ago?) and asked did WGU have mandatory course order. She said yes. But, it's not written anywhere that you have to take courses in a particular order. Goes back to my previous post, don't trust anything they say. Matter of fact the WGU student handbook says:

    Students register prior to a term by working with their program mentor to set a scenario of courses to be completed

    Nothing in the WGU handbook says anything about having to take a course in any particular order. The two times I have called WGU I was just given some BS answer that I know wasn't correct. They'll tell you anything. More to follow soon...
  • MrsWilliamsMrsWilliams Junior Member Posts: 25Member ■■■□□□□□□□
    edited January 1
    Update. I said the heck with it and just emailed student services @ wgu. 

    If I am paying for a service of any kind I have an expectation. If that expectation isn't met, we have a problem. 

    I thought to myself, no point in waiting until tomorrow >:)

    I have completed like 5 courses already. I can spare some time. This might prolong me finishing in a month but I'll be ok. I told student services I need someone more responsive. 

    If they give him an excuse, like I anticipate them doing I am going to show them the screen shot I took of his appointment openings yesterday. This is Chess not checkers my friend! I
  • thaiguy314thaiguy314 Posts: 47Member ■■■□□□□□□□
    This is a great thread. I've seen plenty of WGU threads but I love how in-depth on the process is. I'm looking to start the MSCIA in the near future so all of this information on navigating the ins and outs really help. Thanks!
  • MrsWilliamsMrsWilliams Junior Member Posts: 25Member ■■■□□□□□□□
    My Program Mentor contacted me asking me why I wanted a change of mentor. I explained to him the word mentor and why I needed a change. 
    Two pieces of advice:
    1. No more than a combined total of 30% of the submission and no more than a 10% match to any one individual source can be directly quoted or closely paraphrased from sources.  With that being said, TurnitIn is the  website I used at previous institution. WGU doesn't use that website. They use Unicheck. A student can't access TurnitIn without an access code. You can sign up for UniCheck. 
    1A. I hate both. You can write this:
    Based on the lack of hardware based encryption... 

    Then it'll say that sentence is listed on 8 websites  :|. I literally just made that sentence up while typing. It's like you can't win with typing a sentence. You know why? Because somewhere on the internet that sentence has been used. So, I don't like plagiarism checkers. 

    2. Write to the Rubric. All they care about is the rubric. Writing to competencies or what's listed as a requirement may or may not mirror word for word the rubric. Write to the rubric. Anything else is setting you up for failure. You can write 19 pages. All they are looking for is the informaiton listed in the rubric. Being an overachiever gets you no extra credit points. 
  • ilikebikeilikebike Posts: 7Member ■□□□□□□□□□
    My Program Mentor contacted me asking me why I wanted a change of mentor. I explained to him the word mentor and why I needed a change. 
    Two pieces of advice:
    1. No more than a combined total of 30% of the submission and no more than a 10% match to any one individual source can be directly quoted or closely paraphrased from sources.  With that being said, TurnitIn is the  website I used at previous institution. WGU doesn't use that website. They use Unicheck. A student can't access TurnitIn without an access code. You can sign up for UniCheck. 
    1A. I hate both. You can write this:
    Based on the lack of hardware based encryption... 

    Then it'll say that sentence is listed on 8 websites  :|. I literally just made that sentence up while typing. It's like you can't win with typing a sentence. You know why? Because somewhere on the internet that sentence has been used. So, I don't like plagiarism checkers. 

    2. Write to the Rubric. All they care about is the rubric. Writing to competencies or what's listed as a requirement may or may not mirror word for word the rubric. Write to the rubric. Anything else is setting you up for failure. You can write 19 pages. All they are looking for is the informaiton listed in the rubric. Being an overachiever gets you no extra credit points. 
    Congrats, you've come across 2 things that are standard at most universities that use online classes.

    You seem very combative about the process so far.
  • MrsWilliamsMrsWilliams Junior Member Posts: 25Member ■■■□□□□□□□
    edited January 9
    ilikebike said:
    My Program Mentor contacted me asking me why I wanted a change of mentor. I explained to him the word mentor and why I needed a change. 
    Two pieces of advice: <--------
    1. No more than a combined total of 30% of the submission and no more than a 10% match to any one individual source can be directly quoted or closely paraphrased from sources.  With that being said, TurnitIn is the  website I used at previous institution. WGU doesn't use that website. They use Unicheck. A student can't access TurnitIn without an access code. You can sign up for UniCheck. 
    1A. I hate both. You can write this:
    Based on the lack of hardware based encryption... 

    Then it'll say that sentence is listed on 8 websites  :|. I literally just made that sentence up while typing. It's like you can't win with typing a sentence. You know why? Because somewhere on the internet that sentence has been used. So, I don't like plagiarism checkers. 

    2. Write to the Rubric. All they care about is the rubric. Writing to competencies or what's listed as a requirement may or may not mirror word for word the rubric. Write to the rubric. Anything else is setting you up for failure. You can write 19 pages. All they are looking for is the informaiton listed in the rubric. Being an overachiever gets you no extra credit points. 
    Congrats, you've come across 2 things that are standard at most universities that use online classes.

    You seem very combative about the process so far.

    I said, "Two pieces of advice" Key word in that sentence was advice. 

    What part of advice didn't you understand. Reading in fundamental in postsecondary institutions of learning throughout the world.
    1. I copied what WGU states, which is 100% advice and what someone should expect and also my personsal opinion.
    2. I gave people advice on what they need to be successful and being an overachiever is pointless. 


    You are ruining my thread.

    How do you block people further running my progress thread MODS??? I am going to see if I can find the block button. 

    Edit: No way to block someone. Welp, let me head on over to the Tech Exams complaint page...
  • MrsWilliamsMrsWilliams Junior Member Posts: 25Member ■■■□□□□□□□
    edited January 13


    Good Day,

    I have knocked out four classes in 13 days. I don't count the Orientation Course. That required nothing besides for the left mouse click about 50 times. 

    Five more courses and I am done! I anticipate being done with this degree in February 2019. If I fail the CHFI, March 2019.

    I will give my honest opinion on the entire process when my degree is in the mail.

    I will say this..this degree is just way to easy...

    I have seen people talking about taking more than one semester to do this degree excuse this excuse that..Be patient..I will talk more about that when my degree is in the mail. 

    If you have any questions leave it here... Just stay on topic and leave the negativity on one of the other 2,100 WGU posts throughout the internet! ;)

  • MrsWilliamsMrsWilliams Junior Member Posts: 25Member ■■■□□□□□□□
    I received another course mentor. 

    On our first call he stated that it's not the norm for people to finish classes this fast. In my head I was thinking I don't care about the norm. But, I think after our first conversation he understands I want to complete the degree in the first semester. I really want to complete the degree in 1 month, 2 MAX but I didn't tell him that. 

    I am going to ask him to let me take two courses now. I have proved myself. If he doesn't let me take two courses after all the typing I've been doing the past 2 weeks I'll be on my third mentor  B)
  • shochanshochan Techno Dancer ARPosts: 761Member ■■■■□□□□□□
    I almost started WGU on Nov 1st to pursue my bachelors, though I have 89hrs - 61hrs only transferred...I am sure transfer policies at other schools are similar but still, I paid money for those credits, I should get them, IMO...I decided not to pursue it.  I will just work on more certs to further my skill sets and for personal goals.  That's wild how you busted out all those classes so fast!  Is it that easy?
    2019 goals -> CEH (Feb), RHCSA (Dec)


    "It's not good when it's done, it's done when it's good" ~ Danny Carey
  • MrsWilliamsMrsWilliams Junior Member Posts: 25Member ■■■□□□□□□□
    edited January 14
    @shocan.

    I will answer that question and more when I complete the degree. I will give out all the good and bad based on my experience. You'll just have to wait for the answers my friend.

    I attempted unsuccessfully to transfer a graduate degree at another university into WGU. If I would have done a little reading it's found on the internet that they only accept certifications. I was 12 credit hours into that particular degree. 6 credit hours per course. So, 2 classes. Each class was over 4k a piece. So, I took a loss. BUT, I have considered going back to that particular university after WGU. I still login to the website to use the university library when I am looking for information on topics and citations. 

    Most universities in the world have a max credit hour transfer policy. The majority do. Universities want your money and if you are going to say you graduated from them, you have to prove it by way of your course work. Some universities are easier than others (no pun intended :D). 
    A bachelor degree is about 120 credit hours. I don't see any university letting your transfer in 89 credit hours and taking 6 months worth of classes then getting a degree with the school name on it. I have done some research during undergrad time. My degree stash would look a lot better if Howard, Harvard, George Mason, MIT, Yale, Virginia Tech let me transfer 89 credit hours in and get a degree from them. My undergrad is no WGU but it's a school people in the US have heard of no matter the state. 


    Remember I said this is to check a box. This isn't business strictly personal  B). I never finished high school and said I want to go to WGU mom and dad. 

    Good Luck
  • MrsWilliamsMrsWilliams Junior Member Posts: 25Member ■■■□□□□□□□
    edited January 19
    Another class bites the dust. Secure Network Design is probably the easiest course I have taken thus far. I went through most of the flash cards over the past few weeks. I skipped a few days of studying here and there.

    If you have taken and remember Security+, you can probably pass Secure Network Design with minimal study if any. I passed first attempt while only going through flash cards and absolutely nothing else. Most of the questions are process of elimination. With any exam, look for key words. I was done with 66 questions in 32 minutes. 

    I am reading this long CHFI material. I think the book is over 2000 pages. Not including labs, etc. So, it'll probably be February before I finish reading and sit for that. I am working on CHFI and Security Policies and standards at the same time. I'll be back in a week or two with an update. 

    Side Note: I am not sure who does the grading. But, I try to make sure that if you are a pigeon, you can tell I wrote to the rubric. So, sometimes you get work back and are like,...,..did you read my paper.  I wish I could look at the LinkedIN of everyone grading papers for this CyBeR SeCuRiTy DeGreE . I want to see some job history. If you got a degree in Health Care, Business, etc you shouldn't be grading my paper.  You have no idea what I am talking about.  You have to google the words in my paper. Some universities require a higher level degree than the one being taught by the professor. BUT, it brings the differences between institutions that are for profit and not for profit. Do I think it matters when it comes to a PhD? Yes I do. Most definitely. More about that when this degree is over....

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