Elon Musk gives ultimatum to Twitter employees: Do ‘extremely hardcore’ work or get out

TechGromitTechGromit GSEC, GCIH, GREM, Ontario, NY Member Posts: 2,151 ■■■■■■■■■□
edited November 16 in IT Jobs / Degrees
So he's telling employees that they will have to work long hours or hit the road? What would you do? I'd be getting out, selling any company stock I had and look for greener pastures.  While working 60, 80, 100 hours a week work for some workaholics, for most of us this just isn't sustainable. It's not like this is a startup where if the employees don't put in the extra effort the company will not survive.  
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  • JDMurrayJDMurray MSIT InfoSec CISSP SSCP GSOM GSEC EnCE C|EH Cloud+ CySA+ CASP+ Linux+ PenTest+ Security+ Surf City, USAAdmin Posts: 12,820 Admin
    So he's telling employees that they will have to work long hours or hit the road? What would you do?
    It depends on what the pay, benefits, and possible rewards are like. I've worked very long and hard schedules for (the promise of) a large paycheck or pay-off after achieving success. It's sometimes a gamble, but you don't win big if you don't risk big.
  • volfkhatvolfkhat Member Posts: 1,014 ■■■■■■■■□□
    edited November 16
    Some pundits have speculated that...
    Reverend Elon is trying to run Twitter the same way he runs TSLA.

    it May sound great in theory...
    but one should not overlook the obvious:

    The majority of TSLA workers... likely have a Factory mindset.

    A plurality of twitter workers... likely do NOT.

    The latter have more Resources/Options... they also have a bit of Leverage:

    Musk had to borrow $12 billion in order to complete the $44 billion Acquisition.
    He will be paying $1 billion in interest alone (annually).
    The company is Not turning a profit.
    The company is Losing its Advertisers.
    Some 'experts' feel musk Grossly Overpaid for company.
    and Rightly or wrongly, any negative press that musk gets for twitter... negatively impacts the share price of TSLA.

    Now Ask Yourself:
    if twitter were to continue spiraling downward... and one day close up shop...
    who would LOSE more?

    The Workers... or musk?

    I think this will be an interesting case study to follow.
    <3<3



    So he's telling employees that they will have to work long hours or hit the road? What would you do?

    That's actually simple...
    I would Unionize.
     :D:D  
  • TechGromitTechGromit GSEC, GCIH, GREM, Ontario, NY Member Posts: 2,151 ■■■■■■■■■□
    edited November 16
    volfkhat said:
    Some pundits have speculated that...
    Reverend Elon is trying to run Twitter the same way he runs TSLA.

    This is exactly his problem, he should have had a clear game plan from day one. Currently he's causing chaos in the company, perhaps headcount should be cut, but there should have been a clear game plan in place to do so.   

    “There’s a massive negative cash flow, and bankruptcy is not out of the question,” elon said, according to a recording heard by The New York Times.

    If the companies finances are so terrible, why would you but it in the first place? You could say well the lawsuit forced him to buy it, but he shouldn't have made the $54.20 buy out offer in April without preforming some due diligence first.    

    Musk came into the company like a wrecking ball. He fired/lay-off/cause resignations of key people, those that know how to run the systems to keep the company running, as well as those that help with compliance, advertiser relations. He cancelled service contracts, cuts across the board to save money. There nothing wrong with reducing expenses, reducing headcount to increase profitability, but he should have created process over a couple months to perform it in an orderly matter. 

      
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  • volfkhatvolfkhat Member Posts: 1,014 ■■■■■■■■□□
    TechGromit said:
     but he shouldn't have made the $54.20 buy out offer in April without preforming some due diligence first...    
      

    i completely forgot that 420 needed to be in the offer!
    :p:p

  • nighasnighas Member Posts: 2 ■■□□□□□□□□
    So he's telling employees that they will have to work long hours or hit the road? What would you do?
    I feel like he will end up getting replaced or he will find a replacement for himself. but you never know, its elon who paid 44b for an webiste, his ego is way bigger than his networth. 
  • nighasnighas Member Posts: 2 ■■□□□□□□□□
    maybe eventually with all the layoffs there will be no one good left in the security team and twitter will get breached.
  • UnixGuyUnixGuy Are we having fun yet? Mod Posts: 4,482 Mod
    edited November 18
    Me 10-15 yrs ago: I wouldve loved to work for someone like Elon Musk and be 'hardcore'

    Me now: can't pay me enough to come to an office, no thanks
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  • JDMurrayJDMurray MSIT InfoSec CISSP SSCP GSOM GSEC EnCE C|EH Cloud+ CySA+ CASP+ Linux+ PenTest+ Security+ Surf City, USAAdmin Posts: 12,820 Admin
    Having Elon-Twitter on your resume--even for just a few months--would certainly be a conversation piece. You might get interviews just so the hiring manager can ask you, "What is Elon really like?"
  • TechGromitTechGromit GSEC, GCIH, GREM, Ontario, NY Member Posts: 2,151 ■■■■■■■■■□
    From the news reports I've been reading, just about everyone is leaving Twitter, certain the bulk of the top talent. I wonder how long twitter can continue to function without anyone knowledgeable maintaining the servers? 
    Still searching for the corner in a round room.
  • JDMurrayJDMurray MSIT InfoSec CISSP SSCP GSOM GSEC EnCE C|EH Cloud+ CySA+ CASP+ Linux+ PenTest+ Security+ Surf City, USAAdmin Posts: 12,820 Admin
    I think that I would question the accuracy of such "news" reports.
  • volfkhatvolfkhat Member Posts: 1,014 ■■■■■■■■□□
    edited November 18
     :D:D

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11442401/Twitter-set-lose-75-CENT-remaining-3-700-workers-hundreds-resign.html

    *munching my popcorn*



    TechGromit said:
    From the news reports I've been reading, just about everyone is leaving Twitter, certain the bulk of the top talent. I wonder how long twitter can continue to function without anyone knowledgeable maintaining the servers? 

    How long does it take for $44 billion to go to ZERO?
     :D:D  
  • E Double UE Double U Member Posts: 2,153 ■■■■■■■■■■
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  • shochanshochan Member Posts: 978 ■■■■■■■□□□
    edited November 18
    Has anyone applied at Twitter the last few days?  You might land a new job! LOL!

    https://careers.twitter.com/en/roles.html
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  • JDMurrayJDMurray MSIT InfoSec CISSP SSCP GSOM GSEC EnCE C|EH Cloud+ CySA+ CASP+ Linux+ PenTest+ Security+ Surf City, USAAdmin Posts: 12,820 Admin
    edited November 19
    volfkhat said:
    .../Twitter-set-lose-75-CENT-remaining-3-700-workers-hundreds-resign.html

      Real reporters and editors never use weasel-words like "could."
  • JDMurrayJDMurray MSIT InfoSec CISSP SSCP GSOM GSEC EnCE C|EH Cloud+ CySA+ CASP+ Linux+ PenTest+ Security+ Surf City, USAAdmin Posts: 12,820 Admin
    shochan said:
    Has anyone applied at Twitter the last few days?  You might land a new job! LOL!

    https://careers.twitter.com/en/roles.html
    I can't get any job postings to appear on that site. Anyone else have any luck with it?
  • chrisonechrisone Senior Member Member Posts: 2,275 ■■■■■■■■■□
    I tried looking but don't see any job postings as well. I thought the purpose of the layoffs were more about cutting down during recession? Not going to pretend like I know the business or how this stuff works. I know a lot of the political disagreements get the highlight of X amount of employees leaving, but I doubt it mattered. People were getting axed based on the sizing down approach. 

    In either case the layoffs were coming so most likely there is a hiring freeze.
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  • JDMurrayJDMurray MSIT InfoSec CISSP SSCP GSOM GSEC EnCE C|EH Cloud+ CySA+ CASP+ Linux+ PenTest+ Security+ Surf City, USAAdmin Posts: 12,820 Admin
    I guessing that Twitter employed around 66-75% (~5000) more people than it needed to do what it does now. If Elon does want to pivot Twitter into becoming the next PayPal, and away from being a bastion of "equity and justice" on the Internet, then a serious retooling of Twitter's workforce towards an engineering-centric culture is required. From what I can see so far, Elon is just doing at Twitter what he did at Tesla and SpaceX (wash/rinse/repeat). 
  • TechGromitTechGromit GSEC, GCIH, GREM, Ontario, NY Member Posts: 2,151 ■■■■■■■■■□
    edited November 25
    JDMurray said:
    From what I can see so far, Elon is just doing at Twitter what he did at Tesla and SpaceX (wash/rinse/repeat). 
    What worked for one business may not work the same for another. 

    Back in 2005, I worked for a casino that was sold to a real estate investment fund.  A few years earlier this fund purchased a casino in Reno, Nevada invested a minimal amount of money to the property and turned around and sold it for a tidy profit a few years later. It appeared they were planning to follow the same strategy with our casino and two others they purchased at the same time. They cut costs everywhere, laid off staff, cancelled service contracts, wage freezes, cut salaries, changed staff hours, etc. I was working in IT at the time and I was asked to recommend what equipment to buy for the next year, my recommendation was a very lean budget, 30 new PC's and 10 printers, upper managements response was pick your worst 10 PC's to replace. We had 300 computers or so, generally you try to replace 20 percent of them a year, so by the 5th year you refresh all your inventory, so 60 new PC's would have been a realistic number. I for one decided it was time to bail and look elsewhere, I left in 2006. Atlantic city wasn't the same market as Reno, what what may have worked there, didn't work in AC. Reno is a small city in Nevada, the next major metropolitan area is at least 2 hours away. So whatever policies they put into put to squeeze productivity out of Reno employees certainly wouldn't work in AC, where down town Philadelphia is less than an hour away, there are lots of employment opportunities elsewhere, employees in AC certainly didn't have to put up with wage freeze and salary cuts. They look elsewhere most of them did. 
       
    By 2011 they all three casinos they owned were foreclosed on. Time will only tell if Elon strategy will work, but personally I think was handled poorly, he could have phased in the changes he wanted over a longer periods of time and archived better results with far less disruptions in staff and revenue.   
      
    Still searching for the corner in a round room.
  • JDMurrayJDMurray MSIT InfoSec CISSP SSCP GSOM GSEC EnCE C|EH Cloud+ CySA+ CASP+ Linux+ PenTest+ Security+ Surf City, USAAdmin Posts: 12,820 Admin
    TechGromit said:
    What worked for one business may not work the same for another. 

    I'm gonna trust that Elon knows from experience what he is doing. Risk-taking seems to be something he's really good at.
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