This did not make me laugh

snadam

itdaddy

While I may or may not agree with you, Your statements are starting to delve into politics...I thought this thread was about employee evaluation?!?!?

Ill admit I took this thread off topic a bit already, it was a goofy comment or two with a few other posters.


Honestly, I dont see how the US President has anything to do directly with Pash's (who lives in London BTW) employee evaluation.

Not hating, just trying to keep it real.

techster79

itdaddy wrote:

tetechster79

Is your keyboard stuck?

dude you got to be kidding! you must have stock in oil too! man i do not buy it!
yeah there is tax. and I understand the pie breakdown! i was making a metaphore dude!

you must have stock in oil or something that is affected by gas hike!

simple math! transport cost go up so does the cost of anything affected by the upswing of transport costs! but i the ceo think i iwll add a few more cents times a billion partons mean
that island i have been wanting!

I have no single stock, all mutual funds. If you have mutual funds, you have stock in oil companies. The problem with prices being so high is simple economics.

India and China(two HUGE population centers) are becoming more industrial. More demand/same supply = prices go up

No refinery has been built in the US for the last 20+ years. More refining capicity means more crude can be turned into gas. More gas/same demand = lower prices.

hhaahah LOL...basic math here no calc here man! or maybe!

i do not buy it! it is greed! look at the charts on gas prices!

1979 to 2005 you had like gas from like 1.20 to 1.90 but no more than 2.00 a gallon
from 2005 to 2008 you have a huge spike in gas prices!

Crude WORLD market prices are at all time highs due to record demands for crude. It was never over $100/barrel back in the 90's and before. Plus speculation on war in oil-rich countries like Iran, Saudia Arabia drives up prices. Note none of these people are CEOs of Exxon, Shell, etc. They are futures market goobers making predictions that drive up the price on the world market.

Also gas is actually cheaper counting for inflation than during the Carter administration. Would you say Carter was a shill for the oil companies?

dude do you watch the stocks???? I do!! and maybe i can bring better facts but dont try to
hide what is the truth! it is known freaking fact man that Oil manufacturers or anyone
dealing with oil and gas in each quarter have reach in the Billions and Billons of dollars in earning. crap man dont get me started but you need to watch the stocks! and fact..

I don't remember anyone complaining when crude was below $20/barrel and the profit margin was alot smaller for the oil companies. The oil companies make tens of billions per year in revenue, the federal government spends 2+, approaching 3 trillion per year. Guess where all that money comes from??? Taxpayers, you seemed to ignore that the Government takes more from oil companies than they get in profits from producing/selling gas to consumers.

it is about money and how they can suck us dry...GREED people!
i was saying CEOs for the very fact that those who hold shares! look at Bush! he owns
oil; he sure isnt complaining!

and the sick thing is maybe i wouldnt either if noone could do anything about it and I was
sucking people of their money so i can buy an island!

i might have the sickness too but i know me and i would try to help others with my money!
that is why i am not rich!

it just sucks!

grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

this is a good argument and hope i am not too offensive but it just fires me right up!

stocks = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ profits
and CEOs meaning share holders!

Would you be happier if they closed shop, CEOs cashed in their stock and retired to some tropical island? Would you like to wait in lines for gas for hours on end like in the 70's? The bottom line is greedy oil companies employ people, provide a necessary service, and for their trouble have the government take 5X their profits in taxes and get the finger pointed at them by sanctimonious out-of-touch politicians that couldn't manage a corner store.

itdaddy

snadam

you are right but this forum is known to stir things so i am done
I have led this thread into politics sorry! you are right...
i will try to watch myself! dont be too hard on me, many tech threads lead into ther
crazy discussions. and i guess i can get nutz sometime..just call me crazy itdaddy.

;my appologizees!


techstr79; you do have valid points...... i agree with them creating jobs
just somebody is taking big peace of THE pie..you are very right...but damn
media pumping out oil companies to blame making record breaking billions!
BUT NOT mentioned government laughing their way to the bank!


but i get heated; i wasnt trying to attack you; you have valid facts and you speak well
in your writing

my keyboard does get stuck and my english sucks! but you get the point!
hahaha
but thanks for the facts and very well put as far as history. just i was studying
some gas price graphs and amazing how 20 years not much of a hike
but in 3 years up the same as if 20 years had gone by. butu something has tobe done
either pay us more or something

the only cool thing lately that is an awesome deal for us all is VOIP systems
i know finally get free long distance calls in canada and USA.. here where I live.
now that is awesome!

Good luck and God Speed to you all; time for me to leave the kitchen!

snadam

itdaddy wrote:

snadam

you are right but this forum is known to stir things so i am done
I have led this thread into politics sorry! you are right...
i will try to watch myself! dont be too hard on me, many tech threads lead into ther
crazy discussions. and i guess i can get nutz sometime..just call me crazy itdaddy.

;my appologizees!

its cool, it was more of a broadcast comment rather than just directly at you anyway. Im all for having a good convo on politics, but its just not the right time/place for it. I dont want to get this thread locked out and have Pash not get good opinions/suggestions on his situation.

thats just me though

Pash

snadam wrote:

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Honestly, I dont see how the US President has anything to do directly with Pash's (who lives in London BTW) employee evaluation.

If us folks in itty bitty england are honest the US president has a lot to do with my work evaluation, even if it is indirectly

I am gonna post up the result of my comments to management anyway, for those who are interested.

Cheers,

itdaddy

snadam


dude you are 100 percent right; i get crazy sometime and need my face/hands slapped!
and I will support good arguments like techster79 has given. very well said....and i agree 100 percent with your concepts and facts..just pisses me off I can't do much about it. I love my Chevy truck. I had a nice Honda CRX for 12 years ran like a tank! 40 MPG easily
and now I love my Chevy and have to deal with the gas prices because of the increase in demand like the Chinese and and Indian countries using vehicles vs bikes to get to work.
I can see that. just sucks.. I was in England for 2 years while in the USAF and man
I couldnt believe how fast British cars could go. Like they all had Porche engines no kidding.
Fastest little cars I had ever seen. But I love my captains chari in my Chevy truck vs
alittle midge porche like car. but they were fun! and back then noone cared what you drove.
I had more meaningful fun with my Brit friends than I cared what car I drove. Over in England
with my Brit friends we had time to have meanning ful fun and friendships and used the
mass transit system and focussed on hot Brit Chicks! hahaah but the world is changing.
not sure what to do but keep going!.....cool dudes i back off so others can say meaning ful stuff of others later...;)

Pash

Ok well i have had my appraisal meeting and I finally got the explanation I was after. Basically something they didn't make clear is, the certification scores are weighted in their own sub-category. So no worries there.

Although they are now commented to make it clear how the score weighting works on future assessments.

sprkymrk

Pash wrote:

Ok well i have had my appraisal meeting and I finally got the explanation I was after. Basically something they didn't make clear is, the certification scores are weighted in their own sub-category. So no worries there.

Although they are now commented to make it clear how the score weighting works on future assessments.

Just bide your time Pash. They can make all the excuses they want, but in the end if they fail to keep a good employee like yourself it's gonna be their loss when you go somewhere else willing to pay you what you are worth.

cisco_trooper

I know I'm a little late on this topic but dude:

There is one way to stick it to the employer that doesn't respect your hard work enough to give you a raise. Walk. If I get a raise of less than 6 - 8% depending on if I like the place or not, I move on immediately. It has been stated on these forums more than once that you make your money walking in the door and I tend to agree with that. If it becomes apparent your employer is not giving raises that equal at least 2 - 3% more than the inflation rate, then they don't respect what you do and it is time to just move on. It will cost them money, more than the 6% raise they should have given you.

I have one firm personal policy:
Never ask for a raise, and walk if they don't volunteer one. I don't ask for a raise and I don't accept any raises they offer when I turn in my notice. Companies better learn to recognize the neccessity of their IT personnel and quit treating them as an another expensive cost center. IT creates more savings and generates more revenue than it costs to have IT.

Piss the IT guys off and you lose ALOT of revenue; alot of companies don't even have the revenue losses tied to ITs performance quantified. This is a big mistake. 5 minutes of downtime on a large networks can cost a company literally millions in wasted wages and lost revenues.

Anyway, back to my rant. I work hard as hell, I learn a ton, I always improve their infrastructure and reduce administrative overhead by developing long-term comprehensive solutions. If they don't find value in that then they can find some idiot to run the department, screw it all up, and create the need for more IT people and more consultants.

Just my nickels worth....

undomiel

I work at one of those places. They see everything that the IT department (me) does as a loss, and not as saving them money. That's why they are always handing me catalogs to design and autocad drawings to draft. I'm just holding out hoping to find another admin job. Because having more time with Network Admin on your resume looks better than jumping ship to a help desk or desktop support position.

snadam

sprkymrk wrote:

Pash wrote:

Ok well i have had my appraisal meeting and I finally got the explanation I was after. Basically something they didn't make clear is, the certification scores are weighted in their own sub-category. So no worries there.

Although they are now commented to make it clear how the score weighting works on future assessments.

Just bide your time Pash. They can make all the excuses they want, but in the end if they fail to keep a good employee like yourself it's gonna be their loss when you go somewhere else willing to pay you what you are worth.

sounds like good advice to me sprkymrk! Glad it was mostly a big misunderstanding pash. Nothing more annoying then getting 'docked' for something you had no idea about in the first place.

Pash

Thanks guys.

I am not expecting to be indispensable asset to the company after one year, I am not that naive. I think I am learning as fast as I can and I still want to learn lots more. They are happy with me, I have worked as hard as I can, I cant really do much more than that. I like the guys and girls I work with and I like the clients I do work for. I think I am building up a good relations with most of our clients, which is nice because they trust your advice and listen to you.

All I want is a fair pay review based on the fact I live in a very expensive city (living cost wise) on non city wage (with no allowances).

Now back to building my new vmware lab.

Pash

According to my colleagues they tell you your pay rise, without discussion usually. But they didnt say to me in my appraisal meeting pay review isnt up for discussion, so if I am not happy with it I will call a meeting.

Pash

im very happy, got a 25% raise with back pay. gonna celebrate this week and im gonna go on my first holiday for 8 years this year

undomiel

Congratulations on that! Man, I wish I could take a 8 year holiday.

snadam

great news pash. Well deserved! Im with you, I too need some time off...Vegas is calling my name

hetty

Pash wrote:

im very happy, got a 25% raise with back pay. gonna celebrate this week and im gonna go on my first holiday for 8 years this year

Wow, huge increase man. Congrats!

rpsteele

This reminds me of

http://brucefwebster.com/2008/04/11/the-wetware-crisis-the-dead-sea-effect/

sprkymrk

Pash wrote:

im very happy, got a 25% raise with back pay. gonna celebrate this week and im gonna go on my first holiday for 8 years this year

All riiiiight!!!
Lunch is on Pash today!

c0d3_w0lf

Congrats on the raise!

You're buying the beers. :P

blargoe

25% raise is unbelievable! Congratulations.

Pash

Thanks fellas, your comments are much apprechiated as is your help with my silly questions this year . You know what i thought this week i would be buying in some rounds, but because my colleagues all have got good reviews as well they keep bloody paying, i cant actually pay for a beer even if i flash my wallet and say im fu**ing paying.....not that im complaining but still

gojericho0

Congrats Pash!!! Good approach and nice lesson to be learned

jarjar

I use to play the "If I do good work, they'll notice and I will be rewarded" game. I found out, after a working at a large company, that I was playing the game by myself. My boss, on the other hand, was getting the praises and raises. Now, and this might be painful for some of you to hear, I play the "do good work AND toot my own horn" game. It has worked out better for me. I am uncomfortable with it, but I am less uncomfortable knowing that those above view me as an important asset to the company.