I am really impressed *never mind*

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Edit : *never mind*
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  • dynamikdynamik Banned Posts: 12,312 ■■■■■■■■■□
    Awesome. I'm glad I'm not the only one that's going to get sued icon_lol.gif
  • tierstentiersten Member Posts: 4,505
    dynamik wrote: »
    Awesome. I'm glad I'm not the only one that's going to get sued icon_lol.gif
    You're worried about getting sued when you're going to be drugged and tattooed when in Chicago? Priorities man!

    Oh and Gojamba needs to learn to crop or resize screenshots...
  • astorrsastorrs Member Posts: 3,139 ■■■■■■□□□□
    My god you people sure ignore NDAs when they're not related to cert exams. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • dynamikdynamik Banned Posts: 12,312 ■■■■■■■■■□
    tiersten wrote: »
    You're worried about getting sued when you're going to be drugged and tattooed when in Chicago? Priorities man!

    Are you kidding!? I'm looking forward to it icon_cool.gif
    tiersten wrote: »
    Oh and Gojamba needs to learn to crop or resize screenshots...

    He just likes to show off his resolution. I bet he's really on like a 12" display and has to paste four screenshots together in Photoshop to come up with that icon_lol.gif
  • astorrsastorrs Member Posts: 3,139 ■■■■■■□□□□
    Gomjaba wrote: »
    "only" limitation : You cannot power-on a virtual machine inside the virtual ESX Cluster - which is I suppose fair enough considering (see the error)
    Sure you can, minor change to the VMX file and VT enabled in the BIOS and you're good. The boys over at Xtravirt did a walk-through of the process again for 4.0 How to Install VMware ESX 4.0 on Workstation 6.5.2 as a VM | Xtravirt
  • JDMurrayJDMurray MSIT InfoSec CISSP SSCP GSEC EnCE C|EH Cloud+ CySA+ CASP+ PenTest+ Security+ Surf City, USAAdmin Posts: 12,543 Admin
    Gomjaba wrote: »
    "only" limitation : You cannot power-on a virtual machine inside the virtual ESX Cluster - which is I suppose fair enough considering (see the error) :)
    I was starting to get a "barber shop mirror" headache about the existential possibilities until I read this limitation. icon_shaking.gif
  • dynamikdynamik Banned Posts: 12,312 ■■■■■■■■■□
    Hm? You can get VMs going inside of a virtualized ESX machine. Check astorrs' link.
  • tierstentiersten Member Posts: 4,505
    astorrs wrote: »
    My god you people sure ignore NDAs when they're not related to cert exams. icon_rolleyes.gif
    Yup. Bit strange IMO.
  • tierstentiersten Member Posts: 4,505
    dynamik wrote: »
    Are you kidding!? I'm looking forward to it icon_cool.gif
    Kinky...
  • jibbajabbajibbajabba Member Posts: 4,317 ■■■■■■■■□□
    tiersten wrote: »
    Oh and Gojamba needs to learn to crop or resize screenshots...
    dynamik wrote: »
    He just likes to show off his resolution. I bet he's really on like a 12" display and has to paste four screenshots together in Photoshop to come up with that icon_lol.gif

    Sorry, not a show-off, but I work with 30" at home and work for years now .. keep forgetting the resolution issue ...
    JDMurray wrote: »
    I was starting to get a "barber shop mirror" headache about the existential possibilities until I read this limitation. icon_shaking.gif

    http://myitforum.com/cs2/blogs/cnackers/archive/2009/06/09/installing-vmware-workstation-inside-of-a-esx-based-virtual-machine.aspx

    Haven't tried it yet though (bottom of the article)
    astorrs wrote: »
    My god you people sure ignore NDAs when they're not related to cert exams. icon_rolleyes.gif
    tiersten wrote: »
    Yup. Bit strange IMO.

    What the feck are you guys talking about ? You lost me there really ...

    Edit: Thought it was a public beta for a moment .. never mind ...
    My own knowledge base made public: http://open902.com :p
  • JDMurrayJDMurray MSIT InfoSec CISSP SSCP GSEC EnCE C|EH Cloud+ CySA+ CASP+ PenTest+ Security+ Surf City, USAAdmin Posts: 12,543 Admin
    Gomjaba wrote: »
    This article is on running workstation inside of ESX, not the other way around like I was pondering. However, I can certainly give this a try at work tomorrow and let you know.
  • bertiebbertieb Member Posts: 1,031 ■■■■■■□□□□
    astorrs wrote: »
    My god you people sure ignore NDAs when they're not related to cert exams. icon_rolleyes.gif

    What do YOU mean YOU people?

    *Sorry, had to get a Tropic Thunder quote in there somewhere after reading Claymoore posting elsewhere about going full retard :)
    The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they are genuine - Abraham Lincoln
  • jibbajabbajibbajabba Member Posts: 4,317 ■■■■■■■■□□
    I would just appreciate that if people make mistakes / post stuff they shouldn't do that "people" just say so and spare the arsy replies ...

    Not everyone is trying to break the NDA on purpose ..
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  • darkerosxxdarkerosxx Banned Posts: 1,343
    Spare astorrs, he comes from the land of Canada and I'm sure he gets "you people" a lot more than we do. Plus, I'm guessing he actually IS Canadian, so he can't help it.
  • astorrsastorrs Member Posts: 3,139 ■■■■■■□□□□
    darkerosxx wrote: »
    Spare astorrs, he comes from the land of Canada and I'm sure he gets "you people" a lot more than we do. Plus, I'm guessing he actually IS Canadian, so he can't help it.
    e5001288.pngWhat you talking aboot, eh?

    Gomjaba, I apologize for my arsy reply. I just found it amusing that a couple people were posting about the Workstation private beta on a board that takes NDA's pretty seriously; of course it was an honest mistake on your parts, I just enjoyed the irony.
  • dynamikdynamik Banned Posts: 12,312 ■■■■■■■■■□
    I still contend that mine was basic Windows 7 functionality; I was more excited about that than anything specific to Workstation.
  • HeroPsychoHeroPsycho Inactive Imported Users Posts: 1,940
    bertieb wrote: »
    What do YOU mean YOU people?

    *Sorry, had to get a Tropic Thunder quote in there somewhere after reading Claymoore posting elsewhere about going full retard :)

    Full retard bit = funniest comedic bit in years... icon_lol.gif
    Good luck to all!
  • JDMurrayJDMurray MSIT InfoSec CISSP SSCP GSEC EnCE C|EH Cloud+ CySA+ CASP+ PenTest+ Security+ Surf City, USAAdmin Posts: 12,543 Admin
    OK, I followed the instructions in this blog article for installing VMWare Workstation in a guest OS running in ESXi. My host was ESXi 3.5.0 U4 and my guest OS was Windows Vista Ultimate SP2.

    I was able to install VMWare in the guest OS, create a VM, and edit the .vmx file as required. However, when I tried to start the VM, I received the expected, "You may not power on a virtual machine in a virtual machine" message. I looked in the VM's log files but didn't see anything that indicated a specific problem. My conclusion is that the instructions in the blog article are insufficient to achieve the article's claim.

    If anyone else wants to duplicate my experiment, here are some clarifications on the blog article's instructions that you'll need:
    • Orca is an editor for Microsoft Installer (.msi) files. Orca is only distributed with the Windows Installer 4.5 SDK or the Microsoft Windows Software Development Kit (SDK). If you install the Windows SDK, you only need to select the Windows Installer SDK for installation and not all SDKs in the package. I recommend downloading the Windows Installer 4.5 SDK because it is the latest release.
    • Once the Installer SDK is installed, you'll need to run the oraca.msi package to actually install Orca. This will be either C:\Program Files\Windows Installer 4.5 SDK\TOOLS\orca.msi or C:\Program Files\Microsoft Platform SDK\Bin\Orca.msi depending which SDK you installed.
    • Only after Orca is installed will you see the "Edit with Orca" menu item when you right-click a .msi file.
    • In addition to the .msi file, be sure to transfer all of the subfolders over to the guest OS too. Run the .msi file to install VMWare Workstation on the guest OS.
    • After installing and rebooting, create a new VM using the "I will install the operating system later" option. Also, don't select the "Power on this virtual machine after creation" option.
    • The values of the monitor_control settings in the .vmx file require double quotes ("TRUE") like all the other values in the file.
    • If you have not already entered a valid license key into VMWare Workstation, you will be required to do so before the VM may be powered-on.
  • astorrsastorrs Member Posts: 3,139 ■■■■■■□□□□
    JDMurray wrote: »
    However, when I tried to start the VM, I received the expected, "You may not power on a virtual machine in a virtual machine" message.
    What kind of CPU are you using and do you have VT and NX enabled in the BIOS?
  • JDMurrayJDMurray MSIT InfoSec CISSP SSCP GSEC EnCE C|EH Cloud+ CySA+ CASP+ PenTest+ Security+ Surf City, USAAdmin Posts: 12,543 Admin
    astorrs wrote: »
    What kind of CPU are you using and do you have VT and NX enabled in the BIOS?
    VT and NX enabled in VMWare Workstation's BIOS? I didn't think to check that. Heck, if VMWare doesn't want VM-in-VM action in its products all it needs do is not support virtualization in its own VM BIOS. But that would mean Windows 7's virtual XP compatibility feature wouldn't work when Windows 7 was running in Workstation either.
  • astorrsastorrs Member Posts: 3,139 ■■■■■■□□□□
    JDMurray wrote: »
    VT and NX enabled in VMWare Workstation's BIOS? I didn't think to check that. Heck, if VMWare doesn't want VM-in-VM action in its products all it needs do is not support virtualization in its own VM BIOS. But that would mean Windows 7's virtual XP compatibility feature wouldn't work when Windows 7 was running in Workstation either.
    LOL no I meant on the physical PC. VM-in-a-VM only works with very specific CPUs.
  • cnackerscnackers Member Posts: 1 ■□□□□□□□□□
    JDMurray wrote: »
    OK, I followed the instructions in this blog article for installing VMWare Workstation in a guest OS running in ESXi. My host was ESXi 3.5.0 U4 and my guest OS was Windows Vista Ultimate SP2.

    I was able to install VMWare in the guest OS, create a VM, and edit the .vmx file as required. However, when I tried to start the VM, I received the expected, "You may not power on a virtual machine in a virtual machine" message. I looked in the VM's log files but didn't see anything that indicated a specific problem. My conclusion is that the instructions in the blog article are insufficient to achieve the article's claim.

    If anyone else wants to duplicate my experiment, here are some clarifications on the blog article's instructions that you'll need:
    • Orca is an editor for Microsoft Installer (.msi) files. Orca is only distributed with the Windows Installer 4.5 SDK or the Microsoft Windows Software Development Kit (SDK). If you install the Windows SDK, you only need to select the Windows Installer SDK for installation and not all SDKs in the package. I recommend downloading the Windows Installer 4.5 SDK because it is the latest release.
    • Once the Installer SDK is installed, you'll need to run the oraca.msi package to actually install Orca. This will be either C:\Program Files\Windows Installer 4.5 SDK\TOOLS\orca.msi or C:\Program Files\Microsoft Platform SDK\Bin\Orca.msi depending which SDK you installed.
    • Only after Orca is installed will you see the "Edit with Orca" menu item when you right-click a .msi file.
    • In addition to the .msi file, be sure to transfer all of the subfolders over to the guest OS too. Run the .msi file to install VMWare Workstation on the guest OS.
    • After installing and rebooting, create a new VM using the "I will install the operating system later" option. Also, don't select the "Power on this virtual machine after creation" option.
    • The values of the monitor_control settings in the .vmx file require double quotes ("TRUE") like all the other values in the file.
    • If you have not already entered a valid license key into VMWare Workstation, you will be required to do so before the VM may be powered-on.

    Hey, took forever to get activated on this forum before i could respond to you.

    Sorry some of my info was hazy, i re-read it and cleaned some of the blog post up. I was trying to post things from memory.

    The blog is really 2 parts, one part is modifing VMware workstation or VMware server installations to allow you to install them inside a VM. The 2nd part is about tweaking VMX files.

    Now, i know for a fact, that you can run ESX server inside of VMware workstation using the information provided for a test environment. You should be able to take the same information and run VMware workstation on a ESX based host as well. However, your probably gonna need some very specific hardware and probably need to change a few more settings or play around with various CPU settings.

    You also probably need to play around with various templates as well, since i've seen several recommendations to start with a Red Hat Linux template as opposed to an Windows template. (Whether it's creating a ESX test environment or attempting VMware workstation inside ESX)

    I planned to provide the information merely as a starting point, not as a complete walk through guide. So i apologize for not being more clear on that.
  • JDMurrayJDMurray MSIT InfoSec CISSP SSCP GSEC EnCE C|EH Cloud+ CySA+ CASP+ PenTest+ Security+ Surf City, USAAdmin Posts: 12,543 Admin
    astorrs wrote: »
    LOL no I meant on the physical PC. VM-in-a-VM only works with very specific CPUs.
    My physical PC is already running ESXi 3.5.0, so it's a foregone conclusion that my hardware supports virt. Do you know which CPUs support it?
    cnackers wrote: »
    However, your probably gonna need some very specific hardware and probably need to change a few more settings or play around with various CPU settings.

    You also probably need to play around with various templates as well, since i've seen several recommendations to start with a Red Hat Linux template as opposed to an Windows template. (Whether it's creating a ESX test environment or attempting VMware workstation inside ESX)
    I'd like to know what the specific CPUs and specialized hardware is to check if it's outside of my budget. And I'm currently using ESXi and VI Client only, so VC and templates are not available to me. Also, ESX-inside-Workstation-VMs is not useful to me; Workstation-inside-ESXi-VMs is what I'm after.

    Thanks for any input you guys can give.
  • tierstentiersten Member Posts: 4,505
    JDMurray wrote: »
    My physical PC is already running ESXi 3.5.0, so it's a foregone conclusion that my hardware supports virt. Do you know which CPUs support it?
    You can run ESX with a CPU that doesn't have the virtualization extensions. What CPU do you have...
  • astorrsastorrs Member Posts: 3,139 ■■■■■■□□□□
    JDMurray wrote: »
    My physical PC is already running ESXi 3.5.0, so it's a foregone conclusion that my hardware supports virt. Do you know which CPUs support it?
    Intel Core 2 and above or AMD Athalon 64 X2 AM2/Phenom and above

    I believe you'll also need to be running vSphere (ESXi 4.0) to do what you're trying to do.
  • HunterprimeHunterprime Member Posts: 3 ■□□□□□□□□□
    Acutally only the AMD Athalon 64 X2 AM2/Phenom and above have across the board support for hardware Virtualization. Intel has not been consistent on which of their CPU's support it.

    How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7? | Ed Bott’s Microsoft Report | ZDNet.com has a list of Intel Desktop CPU that support it.

    Also most Motherboards and systems out of the box do not have the tech turned on in the BIOS.

    Funny that this was the thing to cause me to stop lurking and post.
  • SlowhandSlowhand MCSE: Cloud Platform and Infrastructure / Core Infrastructure, MCSA: Windows Server 2003/2012/2016 Bay Area, CaliforniaMod Posts: 5,161 Mod
    Acutally only the AMD Athalon 64 X2 AM2/Phenom and above have across the board support for hardware Virtualization. Intel has not been consistent on which of their CPU's support it.

    How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7? | Ed Bott’s Microsoft Report | ZDNet.com has a list of Intel Desktop CPU that support it.

    Also most Motherboards and systems out of the box do not have the tech turned on in the BIOS.

    Funny that this was the thing to cause me to stop lurking and post.
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  • astorrsastorrs Member Posts: 3,139 ■■■■■■□□□□
    Acutally only the AMD Athalon 64 X2 AM2/Phenom and above have across the board support for hardware Virtualization. Intel has not been consistent on which of their CPU's support it.
    Thanks Hunterprime for linking to that. I knew a few models didn't support it, but I had no idea there were so many (everyone I've bought in the past 3 years has, but then again that's why I'm buying them ;))
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  • jibbajabbajibbajabba Member Posts: 4,317 ■■■■■■■■□□
    Well I have tried all sorts of config changes to get a vm inside a vm but gave up ... I finally got a couple of spare server plus WUDSS san so I can setup a real test cluster ..
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