CCNP 2010 updates

ConstantlyLearning

So, let's say you have passed BSCI, ONT & ISCW but havn't passed BCMSN by June 30th 2010, you have to pass the TSHOOT and BCMSN exams to become CCNP?

ColbyG

knwminus wrote: »

You guys are missing my point. I do think that cisco certs are worth the time and dedication that people put them and I think cisco certs are worth the actual cost of the exams. I have no issue with the cost or anything of the sort. What I do think is that they werent concerned with making any money off of their certs they could do it all pro bono, IF THEY WANTED TO.

Ultimately I think that they have enough capital to cover the cost IMO. That is all Im saying. I have no beef with cisco or with there certifications. Hell I dont even have mine yet.



No and this is exactly my point. They have to be concerned with making money from these certs in the short term and in the long term. Because it is not pro bono.

So not only should they offer cert tests, training, labs, etc for free, but they should also eat the cost to produce all this? Seriously, are you high?

Making their money back hardly means they're doing it solely to make money. I'm sure they make some money off the certs and everything, but I doubt it's any crazy amount, especially considering their main source of revenue.

Bl8ckr0uter

ColbyNA wrote: »

So not only should they offer cert tests, training, labs, etc for free, but they should also eat the cost to produce all this? Seriously, are you high?

Making their money back hardly means they're doing it solely to make money. I'm sure they make some money off the certs and everything, but I doubt it's any crazy amount, especially considering their main source of revenue.

no unfortunately im not high.

If cisco's certification plan was pro bono then they could give everything away for free . Since they are not then they do have to worry about cost and making money on the short term (the cost of the test) and the long term (more cisco certified techs= more ability for their products to get support= more companies willing to buy from them = more money).

Like I said in my previous post, I have no issue with this. Certifications are a business and like any business they want to see something come back from it.

ColbyG

I must be missing something here. You're saying that if everything was "pro bono" they wouldn't have to worry about cost? What cost do you mean? They would still have all the expenses associated with certifications, but they wouldn't have a revenue stream to cover them. How does this equal no worrying about cost?

Bl8ckr0uter

ColbyNA wrote: »

I must be missing something here. You're saying that if everything was "pro bono" they wouldn't have to worry about cost? What cost do you mean? They would still have all the expenses associated with certifications, but they wouldn't have a revenue stream to cover them. How does this equal no worrying about cost?

This all started with the changes being made to the ccnp. My opinion on the matter is that they wanted to seperate job functions based on cert. The ccnp is almost a jack of all trades certs and studying for it teachs you alot of different things. I think they are trying to divide this out to help them obtain more funds overall out of certifications kind of like the MCSE to MCITP:SA to EA, you know what I mean? (BTW I know there was more to the move from MCSE to MCITP than just that but what I am trying to stress here is segmentation by job role).

Now I know they want money for there certs but if you have one cert that has so much in it, it might make people not want to do the other certs (if this makes sense). So IMO they are going to "dumb down" the CCNP so they can push more of the other certs up (if this makes sense)? IMO what they are doing is just like what MS did.

jason_lunde

Well, I look forward to seeing what the objectives and blueprints look like for the new tests. For now though, I am just going to focus on knocking out my last two remaining (ISCW and ONT) before the July date. Hopefully everything covered throughout the current exam sets is still covered in the new 3. Troubleshooting should be fun though...

Bl8ckr0uter

jason_lunde wrote: »

Well, I look forward to seeing what the objectives and blueprints look like for the new tests. For now though, I am just going to focus on knocking out my last two remaining (ISCW and ONT) before the July date. Hopefully everything covered throughout the current exam sets is still covered in the new 3. Troubleshooting should be fun though...

For me it puts me in an odd situation since I already have the CBT nuggets for the old CCNP and I planned to start studying for it at the end of the month. Now I think I will just do the first 2 and then buy something for the troubleshooting exam.

hollow666

So if I have already passed BCMSN and BSCI... my options are either take the ONT and ISCW before dec 2010... or pass the new TSHOOT exam and my CCNP is complete correct?

As long as you have already passed the BCMSN and BSCI... I will not have to take the new ROUTE and SWITCH exams? Correct???? My brain is shot enough as it is I just took a 2 month break from cisco and got my MCSE 2003 security specialisation even though I already have the messaging.

Bl8ckr0uter

hollow666 wrote: »

So if I have already passed BCMSN and BSCI... my options are either take the ONT and ISCW before dec 2010... or pass the new TSHOOT exam and my CCNP is complete correct?

As long as you have already passed the BCMSN and BSCI... I will not have to take the new ROUTE and SWITCH exams? Correct???? My brain is shot enough as it is I just took a 2 month break from cisco and got my MCSE 2003 security specialisation even though I already have the messaging.

The way I read it the 2010 extension is only for net cad folks, so I think everyone else has until june.

jason_lunde

knwminus wrote: »

For me it puts me in an odd situation since I already have the CBT nuggets for the old CCNP and I planned to start studying for it at the end of the month. Now I think I will just do the first 2 and then buy something for the troubleshooting exam.

I almost bet all of the information in the CBT nugget videos will still be relevant for the new exam(s).

qp81

wow...15months, My wife is really going to hate me now.

Cyanic

ConstantlyLearning wrote: »

So, let's say you have passed BSCI, ONT & ISCW but havn't passed BCMSN by June 30th 2010, you have to pass the TSHOOT and BCMSN exams to become CCNP?

From what I understand by reading the PDF, yes. It sounds like the ONT and ISCW expire as being valid in June. Meaning if you do not have your CCNP by then, they become worthless toward the CCNP.

This is why my strategy has changed. I have passed the BCMSN. I would need tho finish BSCI, ONT and ISCW before the deadline in June. This leaves me with about 3 months for each exam and no wiggle room. If for instance I need 5 months for the BSCI, well, I get screwed. So I plan on just focusing on the BSCI and after I pass it, I will study ONT and ISCW for good measure until TSHOOT is avaialable, and then study and pass that to obtain my CCNP.

This of course is only vailid if the information in that PDF is valid. We will know for sure when Cisco releases the information offically.

Forsaken_GA

I'm actually kind of curious as to whether or not they'll be retiring BSCI and BCMSN, as that has ramifications on the CCDP and CCIP as well.

kristianbrown

Let me see if I understand this correctly.

If i pass BSCI and BCMSN through 2010, will I just have to pass the Troubleshoot exam after that to get my CCNP sertification?

And since it seems ISCW, which I'm mostly done reading now, is not valid after june, maybe i could use everything I've read there on CCNA:Security exam instead, so nothing goes to waste?

Forsaken_GA

If you've already passed BSCI and BCMSN, and you're ready to take ISCW, just go take it. ONT is an easy exam and should not take you 9+ months to study for and pass.

If you haven't passed any of the professional level exams for the current CCNP, then going for the CCNA:Security first may be a smart move

luke_bibby

Forsaken_GA wrote: »

If you haven't passed any of the professional level exams for the current CCNP, then going for the CCNA:Security first may be a smart move

Don't say that I was only about a month off taking the BSCI!

ColbyG

Forsaken_GA wrote: »

I'm actually kind of curious as to whether or not they'll be retiring BSCI and BCMSN, as that has ramifications on the CCDP and CCIP as well.

I assume ROUTE and SWITCH will take their places.

Forsaken_GA

luke_bibby wrote: »

Don't say that I was only about a month off taking the BSCI!

Well BSCI and BCMSN is kind of a no-brainer, they'll translate, so take them anyway. In the previous case, he was preparing for one of the exams that is, essentially, going away. So preparing for and passing it may not be the best tactical move for him.

billscott92787

So if you pass the BCMSN and BSCI, they will be valid, toward the TSHOOT, if you haven't taken the ONT and ICSW yet? Would you then just have to do the TSHOOT to get your CCNP? Does this mean that you shouldn't take the ONT and ICSW if you are just preparing to start studying and testing toward your CCNP? Would it be best to try to do the first two then wait until the exam changes for the 3rd test?

kristianbrown

Yes, I have still not passed any professional level exams in CCNP.

Due to issues with lots of work at the moment, I dont think i will be able to finish all exams till june 30th. But I have taken the ISCW exam once and failed, (785/790) missed 5 points.... But thats why I figured i will just begin labbing / reading for the BCMSN and BSCI now, since they will be valid after 30th of june also.

And since I've already read alot on the ISCW exam, I'll just take the CCNA:Security instead, so none of my reading have gone to waste.

Seems this logical ?

Forsaken_GA

ColbyNA wrote: »

I assume ROUTE and SWITCH will take their places.

Yeah, I'm just curious about the validity timelines. I imagine it'll be like when the CCNP changed over last time, and that your results from the previous exam are good for 3 years from date of passage. I'm not really concerned about the CCDP, as I'm certain I'll pass ARCH this week, but if I'm going to come up against some expiration deadlines for the CCIP, I'd like to know it. My timeline was to have finished CCIP by July of next year, but I think I can swing June easily enough if push came to shove.

Forsaken_GA

billscott92787 wrote: »

So if you pass the BCMSN and BSCI, they will be valid, toward the TSHOOT, if you haven't taken the ONT and ICSW yet? Would you then just have to do the TSHOOT to get your CCNP? Does this mean that you shouldn't take the ONT and ICSW if you are just preparing to start studying and testing toward your CCNP? Would it be best to try to do the first two then wait until the exam changes for the 3rd test?

Traditionally, yes.

Let me give you an example -

The previous version of the CCNP also had 4 exams, BSCI, BCMSN, BCRAN and CIT. When the current version came live, BSCI and BCMSN passes were still valid towards the CCNP, as long as you completed ONT and ISCW within 3 years of passing either exam (I actually ran into this, I passed the old BSCI, but I waited too long to pass the others and had to retake it). So if you passed BSCI in, say, January, then it would be valid towards the new CCNP until January of 2013. Same for BCMSN, and all you'd have to take to complete the CCNP is TSHOOT.

That's the way it normally works. It is, of course, up to Cisco as to whether or not that will be the case.

billscott92787

Thanks,

I seen a PDF that said that is true. If you take the BCMSN, and you don't take the BSCI then you would:

ROUTE + TSHOOT based on the PDF link that you find as the very first post.

kristianbrown

Btw, did anyone have an answer to my earlier second post in this thread? Im just wondering if it seems logical to rather drop taking ISCW since I havent taken any of them, and then just do CCNA:Security so the reading / preparation is not going to waste, and then just do BCMSN and BSCI after that + TSHOOT when that become available.

Forsaken_GA

kristianbrown wrote: »

Btw, did anyone have an answer to my earlier second post in this thread? Im just wondering if it seems logical to rather drop taking ISCW since I havent taken any of them, and then just do CCNA:Security so the reading / preparation is not going to waste, and then just do BCMSN and BSCI after that + TSHOOT when that become available.

If you've already passed BSCI and BCMSN, and you're ready to take ISCW, just go take it. ONT is an easy exam and should not take you 9+ months to study for and pass.

If you haven't passed any of the professional level exams for the current CCNP, then going for the CCNA:Security first may be a smart move

Yes, I did hehe

kristianbrown

Forsaken_GA wrote: »

Yes, I did hehe

Ahh, didnt see that one. Thanks!

NullCode

From PDF: "The end of availability dates are March 2011 for ISCW and OCN, and June 2011 for BSCI and BCMSN."
So.. what does this mean?!
I was studying for ISCW, and in a few weeks i was planing to take it.(now i'm studying for BCMSN[low on cash]).
So i plan, that by february to have ISCW & BCMSN. Is this a stupid way to go?
All the people say here that it is valid to June 2010(ISCW,ONT). So where is the error in the 1st statement? Or i didn't understand it correctly?!

billscott92787

I'm not sure which PDF file you are looking at: the one on the first page lists, "The four existing CCNP certification exams will be available to the general public through June 30, 2010" If you can pass all four tests before this date then that is the smart way to go. If you don't think you will be able to, try to get the BCMSN done and the BSCI and then take the TSHOOT lab and you'll be a CCNP or try to just go the route of passing all four tests. It depends on how much study time you can put in.

But I do see what you mean in another paragraph it says:


"The end of availability dates are March 2011 for ISCW and OCN, and June 2011 for BSCI and BCMSN."

dynamik

It might mean that you can take the exams through the end of June, 2010, but you'll be able to apply them to whatever track until June, 2011.

billscott92787

This is the availability for the academies:



To facilitate a smooth transition, the CCNP 5.0 curriculum will be available for one year after the release of the new courses. However, all academies are encouraged to migrate to CCNP 6.0 as soon as possible to take advantage of the new curriculum. The end of availability dates are March 2011 for ISCW and OCN, and June 2011 for BSCI and BCMSN

So the academies will have the CCNP 5.0 curriculum available for one year after the new release then they have to convert to the new courses by these dates.