Just figured out...

RouteThisWay

...why the new influx of guys who want to get into networking


Make $30 an Hour Without a Four-Year Degree

See #2


lol, not really aimed at anyone. Just a bit of humor, as I happened to read the article this morning, and it happened to coincide with a few "career change" threads here.

veritas_libertas

RouteThisWay wrote: »

...why the new influx of guys who want to get into networking


Make $30 an Hour Without a Four-Year Degree

See #2


lol, not really aimed at anyone. Just a bit of humor, as I happened to read the article this morning, and it happened to coincide with a few "career change" threads here.

I was wondering why we have been having so many people starting threads about how they want to get into Networking. That article may been true in the past, but most of the job postings I have been seeing lately want at the very least an Associate Degree.

networker050184

My only issue with that paragraph is "Certification or relevant experience is essential to entry to this field, especially in absence of a four-year degree." It should read certification AND relevant experience is the key to get in. Having only certifications aren't going to do too much for you.

Number 5 has a sweet job title! Anything with "nuclear" in the title makes you sound important.

veritas_libertas

networker050184 wrote: »

My only issue with that paragraph is "Certification or relevant experience is essential to entry to this field, especially in absence of a four-year degree." It should read certification AND relevant experience is the key to get in. Having only certifications aren't going to do too much for you.

Number 5 has a sweet job title! Anything with "nuclear" in the title makes you sound important.

Networker050184 Nuclear Waste Expert

RouteThisWay

veritas_libertas wrote: »

Networker050184 Nuclear Waste Expert

Alot of nuke stuff where I work... and I tend to eat taco bell alot... Nuclear waste anyone?

Air Traffic Controller looked pretty cool, I actually did look into that once. I am a big aviation fan (yes, I am one of the nerds who love MS FS games and fly from airport to airport, just online on a network called VATSIM with people who act as ACT.. anyhow lol, havent done it in awhile since I started getting pretty serious about my certs).

Another one that looked cool was Relationship Therapist, get to listen to everyones problems... until I glanced again and saw it was Radiation Therapist lol. Maybe I have some underlying issues since my breakup? ha.


And I agree with you Networker, certs alone will not land you these jobs. Degree alone won't either. Experience is king.

Degree and certs tell a recruiter that you should know the technology you are studying.

Experience verifies that you do know the material, in a working environment.

I am not sure who says it, but someone here says it alot... No company is just going to hand you the keys to the kingdom without verifiable experience.

veritas_libertas

RouteThisWay wrote: »

Another one that looked cool was Relationship Therapist, get to listen to everyones problems... until I glanced again and saw it was Radiation Therapist lol. Maybe I have some underlying issues since my breakup? ha.

Helloooooooo Rocky Top...

stlsmoore

I here it's very stressful being an Air Traffic Controller, then again being the only network administrator for a $100,000,000+ business has it's own stresses for sure! I used to work the swing shift for a large hotel, resort, and casino by my self. Try fixing a laptop on a stage while 3,000 people are staring at you anxiously waiting for you to get it fixed!

Hyper-Me

Theres quite a few jobs that someone can do without a degree, but that doesnt mean that employers dont care about a degree and will consider everyone who doesnt have one.

Misleading article if i've ever read one.

veritas_libertas

Hyper-Me wrote: »

Theres quite a few jobs that someone can do without a degree, but that doesnt mean that employers dont care about a degree and will consider everyone who doesnt have one.

Misleading article if i've ever read one.

Worse yet, their a dime a dozen right now sucking in people who think after they get a certification they are golden.

networker050184

Hyper-Me wrote: »

Theres quite a few jobs that someone can do without a degree, but that doesnt mean that employers dont care about a degree and will consider everyone who doesnt have one.

Misleading article if i've ever read one.

Same thing can said about degrees really. Just because you have one doesn't mean you will be considered. I don't really think that part of the article is misleading. It said that the best way in is to have relative experience or certification which is fairly accurate for networking. I'm not sure about the rest of the jobs since I've never had one of them. The salary is kind of misleading because its not really entry level salary. They would have been better off listing a range.

Hyper-Me

networker050184 wrote: »

Same thing can said about degrees really. Just because you have one doesn't mean you will be considered. I don't really think that part of the article is misleading. It said that the best way in is to have relative experience or certification which is fairly accurate for networking. I'm not sure about the rest of the jobs since I've never had one of them. The salary is kind of misleading because its not really entry level salary. They would have been better off listing a range.

I think degrees teach you very very little in the way of real useable knowledge. At least IT degrees. However, every single mid to high level job ive applied for has basically demanded it, because its the market norm.

I wish it wasnt, because some of the most brilliant IT minds out there don't have degrees so its a bit stereotypical, but thats just how the market is.

Forsaken_GA

RouteThisWay wrote: »

...why the new influx of guys who want to get into networking

Yeah, I'm not really surprised. There's always been this impression that Cisco certs = money, and the CCIE has alot to do with that I suppose. Everyone sees the big numbers and thinks 'I can setup a network, I got my cable modem and wireless working at home easy, this stuff can't be that hard!' and decide to career change into networking.

And then reality sets in.....

veritas_libertas

Hyper-Me wrote: »

However, every single mid to high level job ive applied for has basically demanded it, because its the market norm.

Which is one of the only reasons I am going after one...

Lamini

not bad, #2 hit me dead on. no degree, some certs... we'll see what a degree does with it, in time...

only wish i saw this coming oh.. 5-10yrs ago ;(. live and learn...

networker050184

Hyper-Me wrote: »

I think degrees teach you very very little in the way of real useable knowledge. At least IT degrees. However, every single mid to high level job ive applied for has basically demanded it, because its the market norm.

I wish it wasnt, because some of the most brilliant IT minds out there don't have degrees so its a bit stereotypical, but thats just how the market is.

That has not been my experience. I have a fairly high level job and I don't have a degree. It wasn't demanded or even mentioned. My boss actually asked me if I had a degree or not about a month ago. I guess they didn't even care enough if I had one or not to check when I got hired. This argument goes around and around every time though. Some people think you need them and some don't. Its obvious which side of the argument you and I are on.

RouteThisWay

Forsaken_GA wrote: »

Yeah, I'm not really surprised. There's always been this impression that Cisco certs = money, and the CCIE has alot to do with that I suppose. Everyone sees the big numbers and thinks 'I can setup a network, I got my cable modem and wireless working at home easy, this stuff can't be that hard!' and decide to career change into networking.

And then reality sets in.....

One of my fav posts.

Slowhand

I think the main problem with the description of the networking job(s) is ambiguity. You can get a great job in IT with only experience, you can get a great, high-paying job if you've got the right certs, you can also get a great IT-gig without a four-year degree, or even a two-year. The problem is, it doesn't mean you will.

As with all the jobs on the list, it's possible to get them without a degree. As we all know, there are no guarantees, even with a relevant degree, certifications, and experience. People don't like to hear that there's hard work involved and that they won't be handed any easy breaks, nor does it attract eyeballs to Yahoo's column-pages if they had to title the article Jobs You Have a Slightly Higher Chance of Getting Without a Four-Year Degree than Most.

mrblackmamba343

I will hire someone with a CCNP and 10 years of experience over someone with a masters degree in IT with no experience

tpatt100

mrblackmamba343 wrote: »

I will hire someone with a CCNP and 10 years of experience over someone with a masters degree in IT with no experience

That's a no brainer there, only thing people are seeing now is people with CCNP, 10 years of experience and a degree getting jobs over people with just the CCNP and experience. People forget there was a huge influx of "IT" people due to the .com boom so there is not some shortage of experienced people.

eMeS

veritas_libertas wrote: »

I was wondering why we have been having so many people starting threads about how they want to get into Networking.

As I recall this is nothing new here...seems like there have been a preponderance of people wanting to get into networking at least since I became a member here.

MS