WS-C3560-8PC-S vs. WS-C3560-24TS-S

filkenjitsu

What am I going to miss going with the smaller model over the larger model other than port count?

Will the 8PC-S do everything the 24TS-2 does? If this is the case, I can get 2 of the 8 port models for the price of 1 of the 24 port ones.



WS-C3560-8PC-S
Port Qty 8
Data Transfer Rate 100 Mbps
Form Factor External
Power Over Ethernet (PoE) Yes



WS-C3560-24TS-S
24
100 Mbps
Form Factor External
Power Over Ethernet (PoE) ?

filkenjitsu

Cisco Catalyst 3560-8PC - switch - 8 ports
Mfg. Part: WS-C3560-8PC-S | CDW Part: 1132994 | UNSPSC: 43222612


Cisco Catalyst 3560-8PC - switch - 8 ports and other Managed Switches at CDW.com





Cisco Catalyst 3560-24TS 24 port Managed Switch
Mfg. Part: WS-C3560-24TS-S | CDW Part: 757408 | UNSPSC: 43222612

24-port 10/100BASE-TX Fast Ethernet managed rackmountable switch with 2 Small Form Factor Pluggable (SFP) uplinks and Standard multilayer image (SMI)


Cisco Catalyst 3560-24TS 24 port Managed Switch and other Managed Switches at CDW.com

mikej412

The 24 port models says it has the

Standard multilayer image (SMI)

I can't see what image/feature set the 8 port model has.

Not sure if you can get by for the SWITCH exam with just the Standard (SMI) or IP Base image -- but for the CCIE you'd want the Enhanced (EMI) or IP Services image.

burbankmarc

If you plan on using INE for the CCIE you will need the 24 port 3560.

filkenjitsu

Could I just load the enhanced image on either the 24 port ot 8 port router? Or does the enhanced image only support certain hardware?

Why could I not use 2 of the 8 port switches with the enhanced image loaded for the ccie?

pitviper

Looks like you can run a multilayer IOS on the little guy:

IP SERVICES
c3560-ipservicesk9-mz.122-53.SE2.bin
Release Date: 27/Apr/2010
Size: 12191.52 KB (12484113 bytes)
Minimum Memory: DRAM:128 MB Flash:16 MB

IP SERVICES W/O CRYPTO WITH WEB BASED DEV MGR
c3560-ipservices-tar.122-53.SE2.tar
Release Date: 27/Apr/2010
Size: 14380.00 KB (14725120 bytes)
Minimum Memory: DRAM:128 MB Flash:16 MB

I don't see why you couldn't got with the 8 port model - Heck, I have the full 3750 IP Services IOS running on a 16-port NME!

mikej412

filkenjitsu wrote: »

Why could I not use 2 of the 8 port switches with the enhanced image loaded for the ccie?

A bunch of people do. You can get 1 or 2 of the 8 port 3560 switches for the 3650 features and a couple of 3550s for the greater port densities.

Another option is to use rack rental when you want to do the full practice labs without having to do "port gymnastics" to work around the lack of ports.

I thought Cisco was going to close the "software upgrade" loophole on the newer switches either with actual software keys or hardware -- but I'm not sure if or when it happened/happens.

pitviper

mikej412 wrote: »

I thought Cisco was going to close the "software upgrade" loophole on the newer switches either with actual software keys or hardware -- but I'm not sure if or when it happened/happens.

They did for sure on the 3560 "E" and 3750 "E" models!

mikej412

pitviper wrote: »

I have the full 3750 IP Services IOS running on a 16-port NME!

I have mine -- so I guess we can mention that you can run 2 of the 16 port $500 on eBay NMEs in a 3725 or 3745 and have 2 16 port 3750 switches for less than $1400. I think mine was $1100-1200, but I got a steal of a deal on a 3745.

Where have we posted about this recently -- in the CCVP or CCIE forums?

pitviper

mikej412 wrote: »

I have mine -- so I guess we can mention that you can run 2 of the 16 port $500 on eBay NMEs in a 3725 or 3745 and have 2 16 port 3750 switches for less than $1400. I think mine was $1100-1200, but I got a steal of a deal on a 3745.

Where have we posted about this recently -- in the CCVP or CCIE forums?

This thread?

http://www.techexams.net/forums/ccie/48181-nme-switch-module-vs-3750-a.html

mikej412

I think that was the "granddaddy" of the NME threads... We got into it more recently in a Cable modem thread...

http://www.techexams.net/forums/ccnp/54980-cable-modem-config-question.html

... starting around this post -- http://www.techexams.net/forums/ccnp/54980-cable-modem-config-question.html#post418242

pitviper

Nice! I must have missed that one

mikej412

The important thing is to not get the 16 port ESW module confused with the 16 port ES module that runs the 3750 code. I think that cable modem thread diverged earlier when Colby mentioned his 16 port ESW module in his edge router (which is what I also started with before shifting to the ES modules).

pitviper

mikej412 wrote: »

The important thing is to not get the 16 port ESW module confused with the 16 port ES module that runs the 3750 code. I think that cable modem thread diverged earlier when Colby mentioned his 16 port ESW module in his edge router (which is what I also started with before shifting to the ES modules).

I never noticed the W in the part number! I just assumed that it was the NME (3750) vs the NM (older)!

mikej412

For anyone still following along in this thread, the "good one" that we're talking about that runs the 3750 code is the NME-16ES-1G-P

Remember it's BYOR -- bring your own router.

filkenjitsu

So I could order 2 NME-16ES-1G-P switches and install 3750 router IOS software on them and have 2 switches with all the capabilities of a 3750? Those things are expensive! Why is this procedure not talked about on every CCNP Lab thread? I have never heard anyone mention it before!

filkenjitsu

mikej412 wrote: »

For anyone still following along in this thread, the "good one" that we're talking about that runs the 3750 code is the NME-16ES-1G-P

Remember it's BYOR -- bring your own router.

I am confused at what the NME-16ES-1G-P is? I only found the following on ebay:

NEW Cisco NME-16ES-1G-P 16-port PoE 1-GE QTY Available - eBay (item 150472568907 end time Aug-25-10 22:00:27 PDT)


NME-16ES-1G-P 16-port EtherSwitch Service Module with PoE

for Cisco 2800/2900, 3700/3800 and 3900 Integrated Services Routers




So is the NME-16ES-1G-P just a module that you need to insert into another piece of hardware?

pitviper

filkenjitsu wrote: »

So is the NME-16ES-1G-P just a module that you need to insert into another piece of hardware?

Correct - It needs to be installed in an NME slot in a compatible router.

filkenjitsu

Back to the original subject for a second, would I be able to install any 3650 image I wanted on the small 8 port switch? Use all 3650 capabilities?

pitviper

You'll need a CCO login w/access to the IOS files but yes, the multilayer IP Services IOS is listed for the 8-port.

filkenjitsu

What would be the purpose of a 3750 over a 3650?

burbankmarc

filkenjitsu wrote: »

What would be the purpose of a 3750 over a 3650?

I think the only difference is the stackwise stuff. All 3560's are standalone switches.

pitviper

Yes, for a lab they are practically identical (you aren't tested on stacking capabilities anyways). Though the 3750s have a sweet looking silver front bezel

filkenjitsu

Thanks for all the info!!

You guys have helped so much.

Another question, so how many 3560 level switches do I need for proper CCNP and CCIP studies?

I know I can get 3550s to use, but do I just need 1 3560 to get all the capabilities I need? Do I need 2?

So would 3 3550s and 1 3560 work? or do I need 2 3550s and 2 3560s?

Do I need more than 4 switches for CCNP or CCIP?

pitviper

Speaking of 3560s, I'm setting a couple up as we talk

pitviper

filkenjitsu wrote: »

Thanks for all the info!!

You guys have helped so much.

Another question, so how many 3560 level switches do I need for proper CCNP and CCIP studies?

I know I can get 3550s to use, but do I just need 1 3560 to get all the capabilities I need? Do I need 2?

So would 3 3550s and 1 3560 work? or do I need 2 3550s and 2 3560s?

Do I need more than 4 switches for CCNP or CCIP?

Can't speak for the CCIP, but for the NP you should be good with 1 3560 (for PVANS and such) and 1 3550 as your L3 devices. I'm working with 5 switches (3750/NME-16ES, 2x 3560s, and 2x 2950s) total but you can probably get by with less - maybe 4 = 2x L2 and 2x L3.

filkenjitsu

pitviper wrote: »

You'll need a CCO login w/access to the IOS files but yes, the multilayer IP Services IOS is listed for the 8-port.

If you bought a Cisco Switch at Retail, will you get a CCO login?

pitviper

filkenjitsu wrote: »

If you bought a Cisco Switch at Retail, will you get a CCO login?

You technically need a SMARTnet contract to access the downloads.

filkenjitsu

What is the cheapest Cisco product that can be bought w/ the smartnet warranty purchase as well to where I can get access to every OS on demand from Cisco?

pitviper

Don't you have engineer friends @ the NOC?

filkenjitsu

That may be an option, but I was wondering what the full semantics would be to gain access to the support.