Microsoft going back to the MCSE title for 2012 technology??? Private Cloud and SQL

N2IT

Certification Overview

MCSE SQL and MCSE Private Cloud?

It looks like MS is pulling a MOS to MCAS back to MOS again, but this time on the technology side.

Interesting that the certifications will be once again called MCSE. This is great news and I am excited to see this!

I find it weird though they refer to the 2008 server path as the MCSE 2008. Do you think they will do a mid lifecycle name change like they did with MS 2007 office suite? Microsoft Certified Application Specialist back to Microsoft Office Specialist.

Interesting and enjoy


It looks like the MCITP:SA is now the MCSA 2008 http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/certification/cert-windows-server-mcsa.aspx

Go get you SUM new certz

Psoasman

Got an email from Prometric this morning, detailing new certs that Microsoft reinvented.

MCSA: Microsoft Certified Solutions Associate
MCSE: Microsoft Certified Solutions Expert

hmmm..that won't confuse anybody

vsecgod

wow...whoever at Microsoft thought this naming scheme was a good idea should quit and hang themselves. What a fail.

swild

When I first read this, I thought for sure that this was a very well thought out ***** attempt.

Alas, it is true. I was actually starting to have an appreciation for the MS certs since they increased the difficulty, but this knocks them down a few pegs.

joshmadakor

There must have been a reason for this. I'd like to think that M$ isn't the type to just "do stuff" without thinking about it.

tr1x

Did it give any more details about the certs? Maybe this is their response to everyone's complaints about replacing the well-known MCSE/MCSA abbreviations with the much lesser known MCITP.

N2IT

I had posted some information earlier on some changes. It looks like the MCITP could be changing to the MCSE 2008

Here is my original link http://www.techexams.net/forums/general-certification/76382-microsoft-going-back-mcse-title-2012-technology-private-cloud-sql.html

tr1x

N2IT wrote: »

I had posted some information earlier on some changes. It looks like the MCITP could be changing to the MCSE 2008

Here is my original link http://www.techexams.net/forums/general-certification/76382-microsoft-going-back-mcse-title-2012-technology-private-cloud-sql.html

Thanks for the info! I am actually very excited to see that the well known and respected MCSE/MCSA abbreviations are being used, this makes me want to get the MCITP (well, MCSE 2008 now) so much more.

whatthehell

WTF! It's not like MCITP:SA and MCITP:EA are hard enough to get used to, now we have to clarify which MCSE and MCSA? Argh!

tr1x

whatthehell wrote: »

WTF! It's not like MCITP:SA and MCITP:EA are hard enough to get used to, now we have to clarify which MCSE and MCSA? Argh!

I think putting 2003 or 2008 after it would clear it up pretty easily, I think that will become the norm. I wonder then if they are going to change MCTS to MCP again?

Asif Dasl

Oh man.. that is so funny. I know there was a big debate about Microsoft using the "Engineer" title when people had not gone through years of college like a traditional engineer would and that it devalued their field of education.

Most jobs are asking for MCSE and there probably hasn't been a significant changeover so they changed the words to mean something different and everything will stay the same. The only problem with this, now people with NT4 MCSEs can strut around again with their 15+ year old certification.

Everyone

Take note that the MCSE and MCSA acronyms are different.

Old MCSE = Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer

Old MCSA = Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator

New MCSE = Microsoft Certified Solutions Expert

New MCSA = Microsoft Certified Solutions Associate

Same letters, different meanings.

tr1x

So actually it looks like MCITP isn't being renamed.. these are just new certs. In that case, this seems pretty stupid. At first I thought they were renaming the MCITP to MCSE again.. The new certs are all about the cloud...

N2IT

Maybe technicially but look at the MCSA 2008, my last link. The same test for the SA. There is going to be a name change mid lifecycle.

Everyone

Also check out the FAQ...

Q. Why are you changing the Microsoft Certification Program and what are the key changes?

A.
We reinvented our certifications to maintain their market relevance as the industry shifts to the cloud. Microsoft Certifications now validate broader and deeper skills required to build solutions on-premise or in the cloud. We added recertification requirements to ensure that IT professionals and developers who hold our certifications are up-to-date on our continually evolving technology.
Learn about the changes
Find out how hiring a Microsoft Certified Professional can benefit your company

Q. Why did you change the name of Microsoft Certifications?

A.
The names—Microsoft Certified Solutions Associate (MCSA), Microsoft Certified Solutions Expert (MCSE), Microsoft Certified Solutions Developer (MCSD), and Microsoft Certified Solutions Master (MCSM) were changed to better reflect the experience, knowledge, and skills that IT professionals and developers need to build and manage technology solutions that may include multiple technologies, whether on-premise or in the cloud.
Learn more about Microsoft Certifications

Q. Expert-level certifications don't include a product version number. How will I show what product versions my certification covers?

A.
Your transcript has a section that shows all the exams you have passed. Each exam title will include the technology version in the name.

Q. What is the difference between the new Microsoft Certified Solutions Expert (MCSE) certifications and the old Microsoft Certified System Engineer certifications?

A.
The new Microsoft Certified Solution Expert (MCSE) credential focuses on the ability to design and build technology solutions, which may include integrating multiple technology products and may span multiple versions of a single technology. It also demonstrates a candidate's commitment to remaining current on the latest technologies through recertification.
To find out more about the expiration and inactivation policies, go to the Certification Lifecycle page.
See previous Microsoft Certified System Engineer certifications information

Q. How can I find out when new MCSE certifications are released?

A.
Sign up to be notified of new MCSE certifications and news.

N2IT

Nice follow up! Interesting turn of events. This is not uncommon for Microsoft though. It happened with the MCAS as well.

tr1x

N2IT wrote: »

MCSA: Windows Server 2008 Certification

Not according to this link. 2008 technology labeled as MCSA 2008

Hmm.. Is MCITP:EA being changed too? I'm just kind of confused because the link you reference indicates they are changing it but the rest of the site seems to indicate that there's still a MCITP:SA cert. (MCITP (Microsoft Certified IT Professional) | Training Courses for IT Professionals)

cyberguypr

Oh man! Definitely a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot moment. Just when I convinced everyone that MCITP nomenclature was cool. HAHA!

The problem will now be everyone calling is MC Systems Engineer instead MC Solutions Expert.

tr1x wrote: »

Hmm.. Is MCITP:EA being changed too? I'm just kind of confused because the link you reference indicates they are changing it but the rest of the site seems to indicate that there's still a MCITP:SA cert. (MCITP (Microsoft Certified IT Professional) | Training Courses for IT Professionals)

Wondering about that. According to the new thing I'm an MCSA but my transcript doesn't show that. I don't even know what I am anymore. I'm losing my M$ identity.

Asif Dasl

Oh man this is so f**ked-up, everything is just a jumbled up mess of alphabet soup... am I reading this right that MCITP is staying around for "OnPrem" and that MCSE is coming back for "Cloud" services - which probably means Active Directory will now be hosted in the cloud?

If so this is a nightmare.

N2IT

LOL @ Cyber

Good stuff, I cracked up!

N2IT

@ Asif

MCSA: Windows Server 2008 Certification

It looks like the 2008 MCITP is going to MCSA 2008. ***Note those are the same test for the SA now called the MCSA 2008

JDMurray

It's all about branding. Years ago, the MS cert marketing group probably decided that the reputation of "MCSE" was too degraded by its past history and created the (horrible acronym) "MCITP" to replace it. Now, the same marketing group with new people has decided that "MCSE" does have positive brand recognition and will re-adopt it for a new family of certifications. They're hoping to get heads swiveling and nodding.

It's interesting that the FAQ question about the difference between the old and new MCSE certs doesn't actually explain the difference.

N2IT

I guess I am a geek. This name change has me all excited. I'm not even paying attention to my work

Asif Dasl

N2IT wrote: »

I guess I am a geek. This name change has me all excited. I'm not even paying attention to my work

LOL same here...

This is soooo funny - I can't make head nor tail of this! MCITP is now MCSA? MCTS is now MCSA too? and MCSE is now cloud and the others are staying around too... WTF!

Don't even get me started on the Office certs.

MrAgent

Apparently you now have to recertify more often.

Stand out from your peers, and help employers recognize that you have the right skills as the industry shifts to the cloud. To keep pace with ever-changing technology, Microsoft Certifications now require that you recertify every 2-3 years

N2IT

Microsoft Reinvents Certification Program Aligning to the Cloud - PR Newswire - The Sacramento Bee

Newspaper article about reinventing itself and realigning with the cloud.

TheCudder

Wait, I'm kind of lost here. What's more confusing is that the MCSA ( Solutions Associate - MCSA: Windows Server 2008 ) is also back, but it has the exact same certification path as MCITP: Server 2008 Server Admin?? 640+642+646. Are they killing off MCITP: Server Admin 2008?


The new MSCE covers & falls under Private Cloud technology, but requires the MCSA (new) as a prerequisite. So that would mean MCITP: EA is staying? What is up with MS?

N2IT

Asif Dasl wrote: »

LOL same here...

This is soooo funny - I can't make head nor tail of this! MCITP is now MCSA? MCTS is now MCSA too? and MCSE is now cloud and the others are staying around too... WTF!

Don't even get me started on the Office certs.

I have the 2007 MCAS errrrr MOS errrr whatever the heck it is. I know all about it!

Nobylspoon

So MCITP:SA = MCSA but MCITP:EA is unchanged? So confused, lol

tpatt100

I prefer they change the names to:

Windows Technology Frontier

Windows Technology Hacker

ptilsen

JDMurray wrote: »

It's all about branding. Years ago, the MS cert marketing group probably decided that the reputation of "MCSE" was too degraded by its past history and created the (horrible acronym) "MCITP" to replace it. Now, the same marketing group with new people has decided that "MCSE" does have positive brand recognition and will re-adopt it for a new family of certifications. They're hoping to get heads swiveling and nodding.

A big part of it is the fact that they got sued over using the term "engineer" in Quebec.

Not that Quebec (or, for that matter, Canada) is a big enough market to make MS do that much, but the controversy over the word "engineer" was definitely a factor.

I have no problem with the MCITP nomenclature, but I wish they'd just done this years ago. All they had to do was change one word and that would have been solved. Now employers and test takers will be, once again, confused as hell.