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unclerico wrote: » Do you have verifiable experience with the vast majority of what the job description details?
ptilsen wrote: » Just to play devil's advocate, what kind of questions are you asking and how simple are they?
m3zilla wrote: » If I didn't apply to jobs where I didn't meet most of their "requirements", I probably wouldn't have a job!
m3zilla wrote: » If I didn't apply to jobs where I didn't meet most of their "requirements", I probably wouldn't have a job! I do agree with your points about not listing skills you don't, or have not used though.
unclerico wrote: » Ok, so for those of you out there looking for a new job take a look at your resume and compare it against the job description. Do you have verifiable experience with the vast majority of what the job description details? When I say verifiable I mean you have hands on production knowledge not verifiable as in you read a white paper, a magazine article, or a book. I am sick and tired of candidates that have a fantastic looking resume, but when it comes down to it they don't know WTF they are talking about! Sorry to rant, but I have wasted about 4 hours of my life interviewing people for my old position and they can't answer simple questions about the subjects that they claim to have 5+ years implementing and/or supporting. Look at your resume and go over your skills that you have listed. If you can't rattle off how it works without looking it up, don't put it on there! When it comes time for the technical interview you wont be able to hide!
ptilsen wrote: » More than 50%, IMO. It feels like less if you're working with a great team of admins or engineers, but when you consider all the helpdesk people out there who stay in helpdesk and for good reason, you realize even getting past helpdesk makes you above average.
Kreken wrote: » If job ads for IT were used for drivers, it would look something like this: Position: Driver Job requirements: professional experience in driving passenger cars, trucks, trolleys, trams, subway trains, excavators and bulldozers, infantry combat vehicles and modern light/medium tanks in service with the US and NATO. Extreme rally driving skills are required. Driving experience of F1 series cars is desired. Knowledge and experience in repairing of piston and rotary engines, automatic and manual transmissions, ignition systems, on-board computers, anti-lock systems, navigation systems and car audio systems from the leading manufacturers. The experience with the car body and paint work is desired. Applicants must be certified with Mercedes, BMW and GM. Proof of the participation in the major international rally should be no older than two years. Compensation: based on the experience. Why 99.9% of job ads for a network engineer sound like that? The hiring companies need to fix their job ads so people would have a clear picture of what is actually required. I will soon start looking for a new job and it is a bit disheartening to see all these requirements and realizing it will take your more than a lifetime to have "an expert level of knowledge" in all of them. And you know what I will do, I will send my resume to job ads where I have a half of skills they have listed. And I will probably waste your time because you will be asking me about my Linux administration, .Net programming instead of Cisco router/switch/firewall configurations.
RouteMyPacket wrote: » "Ummm, well..yeah but it's been awhile"
unclerico wrote: » 1) You say my hiring process is just as bad as the candidates? So spelling out exactly what type of experience is needed to be qualified is lackluster? Asking basic questions such as "what is spanning-tree", "how do you issue a dns query from a windows host", "how do you force a group policy update from a windows host", "what is DRS", or "what is ARP" you're telling me that I'm expecting too much? I want to talk with the candidates and get a feel for their personality to make sure they match on this side as well. I do love the "blame the victim" mentality...no mr. Job applicant it wasn't that your skillset is nowhere near what is required for the job, it's the crappy job posting that spells everything out in black and white that is the problem. Ok, so now they pass your basic smell test with answering the softball questions; it's time to invite them in for the deep dive. It turns out they bomb your second interview and end up wasting the same amount of time as they would have if you ask everything at once. Tell me again how this makes a difference?
kgb wrote: » If you are not open to fixing your process, then there's nothing else to say but suck it up. However, what you explain right there is exactly what everyone is saying. Those basic questions you are asking, have HR ask them via phone. If they answer them correctly, THEN they come to your desk and you can interview them for culture and fit. That's weed control. Will some still slip past? Of course, but right now, you are spreading no Weed Control onto the stack of resumes. Which is fine, but don't complain about wasting your time if you aren't open to figure out how to help mitigate some of the wasted time. Reality is you will miss out on some of the best candidates as well. Like mentioned above some people aren't set up to be a Jeopardy contestant. That's why to find top-tier employees takes time/money and energy. My 2cents.
RouteMyPacket wrote: » I agree 100%! Looking for a job is garbage because of the very thing you are getting at. They want a generalist which rarely exist (good ones anyway) yet don't want to pay. It disgusts me looking at job reqs on the various boards because its obvious they are written by clueless hacks.
battlese wrote: » I have to agree with the original poster. We've been looking for a Systems/Network admin for the past 4 months. We are about as "vanilla" as it gets. All Microsoft, no linux or macs and we have Vmware. We have no shortage of applicants. We've sorted through the resumes and called people in who we think are qualified. We start by asking softball questions like "tell us about yourself, what do you consider your specialty?, etc.". Amazing how many of them can't even get past that. Yes, we are aware candidates are nervous. We're net experts at interviews either. We're trying to figure out if you're someone that we could get along with and work closely with. After that we ask a few technical questions. For the people who list Vmware experience we ask a question such as "Can you describe what HA/DRS is?" Most people respond with "high availability". Yes, explain it......crickets! OK, so you don't know it. Then admit it. We have more respect for people who have told us, "I don't know" than people who try to BS us into thinking they know it. The best part is at the end of the interview when you realize they really just wrote down some buzz words on their resume and they tell you "I'd really like to learn it" and you see they are looking to get a six figure salary!
kgb wrote: » So, your process is weed out through the resume stack? Sounds like there should be a phone call to ask those basic questions that you feel they should be able to answer before having them come into for a face-to-face. I admit, I'm not fond of the process. I think you end up losing some of the good ones while getting rid of a lot of the bad ones. But, if you don't have the time/money to sift through the stream of resumes then you have to realize you will miss some nuggets.
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