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luckybob wrote: » I don't automatically get a $5k raise, I bust my ass for it, but I have hit the highest marks in my reviews every year to get the highest payout. Honestly, I don't know if you would find a harder worker that is more dedicated to doing a good job than myself. I give it 110% no matter what I am tasked with. Taking in account for my work experience(10+ years in IT, 7+ in administration), CIS Degree from Texas A&M, and the field related certs (especially VCP) would land me with an $80k job easily. I am aware I work for the City and the varying market, but $10k from what I am making now does not even put me close to what I think I should be making. Aside from the title change and salary requirement, how should I approach my manager for either, written with an explanation, or just an explanation? Thanks
eMeS wrote: » IMO if you feel like the market rate for your services is more than you're making now, then go get it. Nothing triggers action from an employer like, well, action.... Presenting a "case" that justifies how much you are worth in the open market to me smacks of being both chickenshit and threatening. If I were your manager I would tell you to go for it if that were the approach you chose.
eMeS wrote: » Not to sound harsh, IMO, the only "explanation" is a letter of resignation tendered when you've been offered what you want. If your current employer chooses then they can counteroffer you. To produce some kind of justification for why you're worth more than you're getting at the job that you're choosing to keep (for whatever reason) is a waste of your time. There are reasons aside from money that people choose to stay in jobs, and I would think a smart manager would be prepared to counter any justification you make with such an argument.
eMeS wrote: » Regarding the title change, does your employer not have specific job categories, grades and titles that would dictate what your next title would be in the event of a promotion? If you're looking for a certain title because you think there is an industry standard or something I think you might be chasing something that doesn't exist. MS
luckybob wrote: » I never said I was going to threaten my boss with leaving if I was not to get a nice raise with my promotion. The reason I came on her to ask about it was to find a tactful way of requesting more money. The whole ideas of a written request was to outline the many upgrades and projects I have designed and implemented. The guy who passes out the money is not the same guy who evaluates me for the year.
luckybob wrote: » The title change is for different reasons. We recently hired a new Network/Server Administrator on the team. I was told he was being hired as the Junior N/S Admin, but low and behold he holds the same title/pay (I assume) that I do, yet he can not do anything. Let me rephrase, if he is asked to do something he throws his hands up and says he doesn't want or know how to do it. I want something to differentiate myself from him, outside of actual knowledge, when meeting with outside vendors/contacts. We are a newly created department, so the structure is really bad. I am technically a tech level 3 and I will be promoted to a tech level 4.
luckybob wrote: » I am not looking to put the screws to the man or anything, I was just taking this promotion as an opportunity to ask for a salary increase since I failed to negotiate this better when being hired, and since I had worked hard to become certified in technologies we use. I have no plans of leaving my job for whatever reason. I run the show at work, I wouldn't want to give that up.
eMeS wrote: » IMO the best approach is the direct approach. Another way to look at this is to ask the question, "what will you get if you don't ask?". MS
hollow666 wrote: » I scored a 15k raise last year by getting another job offer and putting in two weeks notice.............. took them about 1 hour to call a meeting with the CIO and counter offer.........
carboncopy wrote: » So did you put in your 2 weeks and when they asked why, you told them that you had another job offering you 15k more?
luckybob wrote: » As I said before, it is almost impossible for me to get fired. Since I am the most knowledgeable in both Communications and IT, I can get away with doing whatever I want.
like 2 hour lunches, the ability to help out with my kids when they are sick, heading out for the day no questions asked.
Jamesm3 wrote: » Helping out with kids is good, however if you do the other two items alot your co-workers (if you have them in your team) may think you're taking the piss. Even your BOSS might start too feel the same way. The trouble starts when other people located in different departments notice and gossip between themselves about how you get away with taking 2 hour lunch breaks without making it up at the end of the day. However, looks like you have a good job.
luckybob wrote: »
eMeS wrote: » I'm going to bet the answer to that is "no". More likely, the question would be "what do we have to do to get you to stay on board." My thought is that an employer doesn't need to know what you're worth to someone else; instead, what they really need to do is decide what you're worth to them. MS
luckybob wrote: » My boss and I go to the gym together for lunch. He has extended the same offer to anyone in the department, I am just the only one who takes it. It is not that I think I am indispensable, its a government job, so as long as I show up and get something done, no one seems to care. I personally believe in having a job to work it and therefore have come up with enough work to last for quite some time. Before I was hired on the company had no DR, everything ran on vlan 1, and there were no policy or procedures for anything. Because of me, we have a fully functional DR site with synchronized replication to our storage. We have adapted VMware and I have created more redundancy and saved over 100K just this year in server hardware and licensing (more if you include power). I have implemented full fiber redundancy to all our branch location, setup EIGRP and HSRP for network redundancy (I can run and splice fiber also). I have taken the company from the stone age to the new age, so anything I get I have earned 10 fold. I have more comp time than I can use, and 4 weeks of vacation in the bank. I don't believe in slacking, and if you want something you have to work for it. Coming into this job I knew I would be guaranteed a cost of living increase every year, even if I came to work with my thumb up my butt. I have set a standard and scored the highest marks on my yearly reviews every year. My boss literally told me he had to make up a negative comment on my last review so it would look like I had to improve on something to the General Manager(CEO). So the bottom line, I earn everything I have gotten.
luckybob wrote: » I have been working with the same company for the past 3 years, and I am up for a promotion in the next 2 weeks. The promotion is guaranteed, but I am not sure what I will be getting out of the promotion other than my normal 5K a year raise and bumped up to the next pay grade. I have a few requests to go along with the promotion, but I am not sure how to approach this. I would like to request at least a 10k increase in salary and a new title "Senior Network/Server Administrator". Both of these seems reasonable for the amount of work I put in, the amount of technologies and different software/hardware I deal with, and my current and future certification level (Will be VCP 410 within the month). How do I go about asking for these requests in my promotion interview? Should I write up a formal document outlining my company value and how I have made an impact over the years, and list my requirements? I would then submit this during the interview and explain each point and request and how I am deserving of it. Should I just make a verbal request at the interview? This will be one of the first promotion I have actually accepted over the years, and I want to make sure I get what I think I am valued at in the company. Thanks for your input.
Turgon wrote: » I have followed the post. You have a good job there. Your relationship with your easy going boss is good, you seem to get a lot of lattitude to express yourself technically there if not have the run of the place and this has offered you the opportunity to make some changes and work over the infrastructure. Calling the shots there will help you aspire to a TDA role in the future if you see yourself directing and designing technical changes as opposed to merely implementing and supporting what other people have decided should be there. There are exceptions, but the money leans heavily towards the former camp. You seem to manage your own time as well. If you want more money ask for it. It seems to me there may be reasons to justify an increase if you remind them of improvements made to their bottom line through your efforts, and the potential improvements in store for them by sticking around. Of course if you are not serious about moving and will stay on regardless perhaps think over how bullish you should be in your demands. Having had the chance to do lots of things is helpful if you are serious about moving to the private sector. Service Partners are pushing harder for new business often without the inhouse technical experience to deliver properly. Budgets for staff and training are down. Expect difficult work to deliver virtualization, IPT, MPLS, SAN, Juniper, Multicast trading, to name but a few. Aggressive work and deadlines with assigned project managers who are also under pressure and are relying on you to have the answers. Time on the road, extremely long hours and often a lot to worry about. So that can be pretty hairy work and no two hour lunch breaks. Same for banking..'Get this ******* thing fixed now Im losing ******* money!'
Jamesm3 wrote: » Wow, wish there were more IT people with your expierence. You need to ask for a raise! I've run plenty of fibre but never spliced it. Is it an easy job? VMWare Rocks, lovely lean mean virtual machines James
luckybob wrote: » Those are some good points, and definitely things I have thought of. I actually used to work in the Banking Industry. I developed and implemented all the security procedures and server hardening techniques for the last financial institute I worked for. I was brought on to do just that, and took a pretty unsecured (hacked at one point) infrastructure to air tight Fort Knox. I only left the job because they were bought out by another bank. Quality of life is a big bonus, having time with my family and kids is paramount. Before I take any new job I always make sure to let them know my family comes first. My current job allows all that and some, but that is not the issue. I see myself settling for mediocrity, where I feel I have the potential for something better. Money isn't everything, but it sure greases the wheels and makes a tough decision easy.
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