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puppy001 wrote: » YouTube - What do you need to earn your IT degree online? How many of you agree with the WGU advertisement IT online degree?
tpatt100 wrote: » I used to think the first guy had issues if hes doing the help desk for 10 years but now a days I realize not all help desk jobs offered the same opportunities for advancement mine did.
apena7 wrote: » Where I work it's common for people to stay 4-6 years on the help desk. This is mostly because some people aren't in love with technology and simply look at it as a job (working just for a paycheck) instead of a career (working towards the next step). There are also a few who would prefer staying on the help desk because they actually like it or are comfortable being the big fish in the small pond.
veritas_libertas wrote: » Yup, I also commonly see folks that would like to move up, but have no motivation to study for certifications or get a degree.
jahsoul wrote: » I see your signature.....Welcome to the dark side!
ssampier wrote: » I'm not a WGU student, but it's an okay video. It rambles a little for the ADD suffers among us For a real TV spot they would need to differentiate themselves from the for-profit career colleges out there. Like this one:YouTube - Get the education you need to get on with your life Edit: That poor guy, stuck at Tier 1 Helpdesk. You think with some certs he'd be Tier 2 by now.
snokerpoker wrote: » I think the school is great but this ad is sub par. Looks very low budget. It still might be pretty effective as the scenarios are spot on. I'm sure it will attract new students, I just think it looks a bit cheese ball.
erpadmin wrote: » I've seen great ads from UoP and Walden on TV. WGU needs ads like those on TV. This isn't a TV spot though as it's over two minutes and needs to be 30 seconds (and the message can be done in 30 seconds with elements from all of them....not that hard).
tpatt100 wrote: » I hate those commercials, not him exactly but the "type" of commercials. There was an Emmett one where he says something like "think going to school will take forever? Four to six years is going to come no matter what you do". The problem is these types of schools and the commercials are aimed at the people who can least afford to go to school or lack the skills needed to succeed. They sell the idea that going to school=good job=success to people who will take pell grants and student loans that they can get no matter what and do not teach the whole package where going to school is just one part of the equation for a better job. My wife's cousin bought into this, took out a ton of student loans and went to University of Phoenix, graduated and is still not making any money. Well dang when the economy is depressed there are less opportunities for entry level positions so you graduate with student loan debt making the same money you were making before....
apena7 wrote: » In some ways, I would like to see more WGU ads, but I'm also glad they don't spend TOO much money on advertisements. I would much rather have them spend that money on more mentors and student resources.
ssampier wrote: » I do regret not working more while in school, however.
erpadmin wrote: » Why would you?! I don't want my niece touching so much as a part time job, let alone full time employment while she works on her degree. I want her to have the best shot of finishing instead of doing what her mother (my sister) and I had to do (work and disregard college).
ssampier wrote: » This is actually the reason I didn't work. I was concerned about not finishing. I actually meant like helpdesk jobs and internships to improve my resume. My resume graduating from college was pretty spare. There's only so many ways you to try to make "burger boy" summer jobs look interesting
puppy001 wrote: » man i wish i went to uni i just have certs and work experience, i lack exprrience i wissh i listened to my teachers and finished my education.
jahsoul wrote: » I see your signature..... Welcome to the dark side!
Arysta wrote: » When it comes down to it, you need both education and experience. I think it's ideal to be able to do both at once. If a young student can carry a part time job related to their major (unrelated experience is pretty worthless), they have a MUCH better chance of getting a job when they graduate than those who don't. Obviously, if the young student has parental support and doesn't have to support themselves, that's ideal and they can work a very limited amount. Employers don't care that college grads only worked 15 hrs a week... they just care that they did it. Unless someone's carrying an absolutely ridiculous amount of credits, there is plenty of time to have a part time job.
erpadmin wrote: » My niece has my sister, my parents and now me (plus her brother if I need him to throw some bucks her way). [Her dad is pretty much out of the picture.] She has no excuse to not finish college. The only thing I stress to her is to never miss class. We're not concerned about her finding a job after college because she'll most likely be a teacher. She is pretty much the best candidate (in my family) to finish in 4 years (she'll be doing summers too). I wish I didn't "work" when I was in college, as I probably would have had the degree by now. BUT...I also might not have been in IT, either....catch 22. The mistakes I and my sister made in college and life are those I want her to avoid and I try to put the fear of God into her so that she graduates. After the degree, even if it takes 10-20 years to find a job, it's really ok (and believe me, it won't be anywhere near that long between the contacts I have and my sister, plus my own niece's resourcefulness).
Arysta wrote: » Ah... teaching is one of the few careers where it's not all that difficult to get a job. You don't really need much more than an education to be able to start out. I guess I have a strong opinion on the subject because I spent about 75% of my time in college when I was 18-21~ partying and watching TV. Finishing was never an issue... in fact, I never wanted to leave. I probably would have had a much less rocky road between graduation and today had I actually taken that time seriously and worked a little. I suppose it all depends on the person, though.
erpadmin wrote: » I am a recovering partyholic myself. Couple that with an income most people only see when they graduate and it truly was debacuhery at its finest. One party was so bad, that when the cops came, they were a bit teed off because we didn't invite them (seriously, we always had a good turnout...) LOL. Ahhh great times. But that's something my niece need not experience. After she gets her degree she can do whatever she wants, but until then, it will be books and non-Greek orgs for her (APO doesn't count...). LMAO.
powerfool wrote: » I dunno, I think that is backwards for a lot of people, especially IT folks. School isn't really that hard and it hardly mimics the real world. I would much rather my kids get a job and get a feel for what they want to do, and then work and go to school in the field at the same time. While have an education is important, I think life provide a pretty good education, and if you can juggle a real job (not something like asking about upsizing your fries) and school, you will be more prepared than 90% of people out there. Instead of waiting for four years, deferring earning potential, and not gaining experience, you start off earning money and gaining experience. Plus, many employers offer tuition reimbursement which could greatly assist with paying for school. Consider candidate A and candidate B, both graduated high school in 2004: Candidate A (went to school, then started working): - BS in Information Systems from a decent to good school - MCSA - Two years of experience working entry-level jobs like help desk and jr admin. - Looking for a salary around $40-45k Candidate B (went to school in the evenings or online while working full-time): - BS in Information Systems from a decent to good school - MCSE - Six years of progressive experience, working on projects and mid-level admin work. - Looking for a salary around $60-65K Yes, I would expect candidate B to have worked harder on certifications than candidate A. People that have that kind of work ethic and are exposed to a working environment primarily over school will put some extra effort into their certifications. And look, candidate B is looking for a considerably greater salary which he can command because of his greater experience. They are the same age. Candidate B may have finished his degree in four years, or maybe he took all six of those years to do it. Nevertheless, he has "everything" that employers want already and he makes more. Plus, he probably has lower student loan debt, too.
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