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chrisone wrote: » This book came out today, did anyone buy it? I just bought it off amazon. With shipping it came out to $21.87 Not bad for 600+ pages.http://www.amazon.com/Steve-Jobs-Walter-Isaacson/dp/1451648537/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1319519074&sr=8-1
it_consultant wrote: » I am much more interested in the brilliant engineer who came up with the iPod (it wasn't Jobs), the Xerox geniuses that developed the mouse, the guy(s) who invented the CCD sensor, whoever at Microsoft developed MS-CHAPv2, etc. We are celebrating a man who didn't actually invent or engineer anything. Tell me about the folks who developed ethernet signaling for heaven's sake.
Mr. Jobs appears as the principal inventor or as one inventor among several on 313 Apple patents. Most are design patents that cover the look and feel of a product, rather than utility patents, which may cover a technical innovation like a software algorithm or computer chip.
it_consultant wrote: » Yeah, his patents for the iPad and iPhone are very vague. They state things like "7 inch tablet computing device" as opposed to how the device was actually manufactured or any of the actual technology that is found in the devices. I am sure, with some digging, you can find the technical patents that apple employees hold.
UnixGuy wrote: » I really thought that he was the brains behind the i(pod/phone/pad)...I'm surprised. Wow, some fake hype around this guy....Did he actually do anything technical at all ?
it_consultant wrote: » No, not really. He never has, as far as I can tell. I read a story a while back about the brain behind the iPod, you know, the thing that rescued apple from obscurity. Essentially Jobs bought the patent and technology and hired the guy to develop it for Apple. This link is old but relevant.History of the iPod
effekted wrote: » I remember seeing an article on Digg about how there were no stories or headlines regarding Dennis Ritchie's death but no matter where you looked you saw a story on Steve Job's death. Yes, Steve was superb with his sales pitches and vision for technology but without Dennis Ritchie there's no telling how technology (including Apple) would look.Dennis Ritchie, Co-creator of C and Unix, Dies - Technology Review for people who do not know who Dennis Ritchie is.
Forsaken_GA wrote: » Don't sell him short. He may not have designed individual circuits, or written any code, but he was a driving force. Being able to bring an idea to market and sell it takes a skilled individual. Putting together a product people want to buy is not easy. This kind of stuff doesn't happen by accident. Steve's particular gift was in designing and bringing to market products that people didn't know they wanted until they existed. If you think being a taskmaster who has exacting standards is not a good thing when it comes to product development, I suspect you haven't worked in enough environments where homebrew products are made and used. If our devs, or their managers, had an iota of the drive and perfectionist tendancies that Jobs had, we wouldn't greet the announcement of new product lines or new software releases with agonized groans.
UnixGuy wrote: » I agree, but this is life. The average Joe doesn't know what C/UNIX is, but they know the iphone and they like it.
tpatt100 wrote: » And smart people are smart enough to know which people to surround himself with. People keep forgetting about that. Bill Gates might have dropped out of college but he was smart enough to surround himself with plenty of people with the know how to create ideas he might have had. You can have a bunch of brilliant engineers all creating "stuff" but engineers still rely on somebody to coordinte the efforts to create something. Look at how many projects sit out there on the internet but nobody hears about it?
it_consultant wrote: » People PERSONALLY credit him with these inventions. Guess what, it wasn't him. All of the breakthrough technologies he either bought or hired away. Then he told people that he wouldn't accept cheap manufacturing. I am not going to kick the man for being a great business man, but we have a habit of worshiping perceived capability as opposed to real achievement. Bill Gates put a PC on every desktop AND was a programmer. Hell, Windows, UNIX, and Linux are the only kernels of note in wide use. Notice who isn't in that list...Apple. They use Unix. I can promise you when Billy dies he won't be worshiped like Steve Jobs was/is. It goes all the way back to the first Apple, which was not a Jobs invention, it was a Wozniak invention. I give him credit for being a great business man and seeing the internet based music and video business before anyone else did. I do not give him credit for being an engineering genius.
tpatt100 wrote: » huh? Bill Gates I thought last code he ever worked on was for a graphing calculator? People mistakenly giving Jobs credit is a mistake but not the fault of Steve Jobs. Bill Gates BOUGHT the version of DOS that IBM used, he didnt create it. Apple put computers into homes and classrooms back when IBM said home computers were pointless, Bill Gates made them more affordable. Bill Gates is not without fault, he made very, very anti competitive business decisions early on like Apple has been accused of doing. I mean the guy was testifying in front of Congress back in the Windows 9x days. Steve Jobs was a tech at Atari, I am sure like Bill had more business sense than technical sense but I see no fault with that.
it_consultant wrote: » We credit Jobs with all of these "inventions" which he didn't actually invent.
it_consultant wrote: » People PERSONALLY credit him with these inventions. Guess what, it wasn't him.
Forsaken_GA wrote: » It's not just about good business sense, it's also about vision and leadership. You can have the greatest idea in the world, but if you don't have the vision, leadership, and business acumen to actually bring it to market, then your idea is worthless.
it_consultant wrote: » They have taken what everyone else was already doing and put a really nice skin on it and nice software and charged an arm and a leg for them. Classic bandwagon economics.
Forsaken_GA wrote: » I don't really think you can make that argument, just because he didn't personally design or manufacture the components. He saw the product, and either hired the people or bought the companies or the components to make the product a reality. While the folks who came up with the individual pieces certainly deserve their credit, so does the man who connected the dots to put those pieces together, and then create more than one world wide phenomenon in the process. It's not just about good business sense, it's also about vision and leadership. You can have the greatest idea in the world, but if you don't have the vision, leadership, and business acumen to actually bring it to market, then your idea is worthless.
MrRyte wrote: » Wrong or right; it worked. Sometimes it's not the product; it's the marketing and perception of the product that determines its success. The IPod is a textbook example. Other companies had/have small portable MP3 players but thanks to brainwashing-forgive me; I mean aggressive marketing by Apple the IPod became the "it" MP3 player to have. And the fact that some car companies offered IPad integration with their OEM stereos only added to the IPod's popularity. Heck, even some of the recent Apple commercials give the impression that it's "cool" and "hip" to own a Mac compared to a Windows PC. So as you can see; perception is everything in business.
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