CEH v8 FAILED EXAM - Was version 9 - How to Resolve
CEHv8 FAILED EXAM - Was version 9 - How to Resolve
Write an email to EC Councils - Certification Director
[email protected]
I was instructed to contact you immediately in reference to the CEHv8 Exam I took on XX OCT 2015 at (TESTING LOCATION)
Upon opening the exam, I realized that the material I studied from the Official ECC CEH v8 course-ware, the (?) Book for CEHv8, (?) Videos for CEHv8, and the tools provided to practiced with were not the same and I did not pass.
I believe at this point, Pearson Vue and EC Council owe me a new voucher to re-take the CEHv8 Exam. I also do not believe the CEH v9 Exam should not be released in the wild as of yet since there is no current study material available that I could find.
Please get back to me with an answer. I took FRI off from work and now have to take another day off to make this exam happen.
Just to confirm, I signed up and paid for the CEH v8 exam.
(NAME)
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Can the Admin pin this so that others can see it at the top - I will post updates once I hear back from ECC - I was told from another rep at ECC that they know of the issue and need people to contact them so they can resolve it and get testers the correct v8 Exam.
Write an email to EC Councils - Certification Director
[email protected]
I was instructed to contact you immediately in reference to the CEHv8 Exam I took on XX OCT 2015 at (TESTING LOCATION)
Upon opening the exam, I realized that the material I studied from the Official ECC CEH v8 course-ware, the (?) Book for CEHv8, (?) Videos for CEHv8, and the tools provided to practiced with were not the same and I did not pass.
I believe at this point, Pearson Vue and EC Council owe me a new voucher to re-take the CEHv8 Exam. I also do not believe the CEH v9 Exam should not be released in the wild as of yet since there is no current study material available that I could find.
Please get back to me with an answer. I took FRI off from work and now have to take another day off to make this exam happen.
Just to confirm, I signed up and paid for the CEH v8 exam.
(NAME)
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Can the Admin pin this so that others can see it at the top - I will post updates once I hear back from ECC - I was told from another rep at ECC that they know of the issue and need people to contact them so they can resolve it and get testers the correct v8 Exam.
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And just a side note, I wouldn't say that it's uncommon to upgrade exams without releasing new materials for them, I remember Microsoft upgraded their MCSA 2012 exams to 2012 R2, putting there a lot of R2 specific stuff and there were no 2012 R2 prep materials at the time. Moreover, you wouldn't know that if you didn't lurk around specifically and there was a lot of frustration on the boards regarding this as people showed up for exam only to find out that it's totally different than what they were preparing for.
PS Of course it's a bad practice on exam vendor's part. Always release materials first then upgrade exams. Doesn't always happen in real world...
It's like studying for the American Revolution - but getting tested on the French Revolution...both have French elements - but both are VERY different.
They need that transition -- it's only professional to offer that. An entirely new exam is bad form.
Is it really that bad? It's making me want to do this "v9" exam to see if it has changed. If it wasn't so expensive...
I said over in the other thread, that part of this problem is where a certification exam assumes experience, that the exam purports to validate experience, then changing the exam shouldn't be a huge problem since the experienced people would still be able to pass. Of course the reality is that most certifications aren't done by people with huge amounts of experience, because people with that level of experience don't need the certification that much.
I'm curious to see how this all pans out.
Thanks for sharing your feedback to us, This feedback has been sent to me so i can assist you and explain the exam format, i am listing my view below and would be happy to hear your comments on it.
1. The CEH exam follows the exam blueprint here https://cert.eccouncil.org/images/doc/CEH-Exam-Blueprint-v2.0.pdf
2. The exam format and pattern have not been changed in any way, we still continue to maintain the exam time and passing score.
3. As far as the quality of the exam is concern, our CEH exam forms are beta tested by a minimum 100 students and are pschometrically validated before they are live.
4. Our exam is updated from to time to capture all the latest skills and knowledge a CEH should have as per industry requirements. So should you see any updated content, it only confirms are test are updated and test the current skills and knowledge the industry expects a CEH to hold.
5. Our exams are written my Subject matter experts and are not build by our in-house teams to ensure our tests focus on measuring the required skills and knowledge.
6. Our courseware/ study material is a guideline that equips you with concepts, tools and techniques of ethical hacking and security assessments. Take note the final title earned by a student who successfully passed the CEH exam is "Certified Ethical Hacker" and does not carry any version no, irrespective of the courseware he used to prepare for the exam.
7. Further a student is required to keep himself updated with the current changes in the market. EC-Council has always encouraged Continuing education and hence we also grant recertification through our ECE policy if this criteria is met.
8. If you still feel there are specific questions that are out of the scope of the exam blue print, please specify which ones so we can take a look at it.
9. Also we have a healthy passing ratio on the test you have attempted.
If there is anything else i can assist you with pleas let me know.
Thank you
Cherylann Vanderhide
Dir. Compliance & Governance
EC-Council.
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If you took the exam prior to OCT - then you had the v8 Exam.
If you took the exam in the last 2 weeks - you had the NEW v9 Exam with all new exploits on it.
I don't have the time to sit and study EVERYTHING that could possibly be on the Exam.
The response from the Director is poor and show incompetence on her part. She's obliviously not certified nor has she studied for and sat for these exams.
Everything I'm reading on other sites and opinions given state this. The entity I work for have recent CEH certified people - I talked to them about what they experienced to what I experienced - totally different...except for the questions that related back to Security+.
his response....
"Prior to your email I was not aware. Let me assemble some of the facts on my end. I do know there was a recent class with issues at Secure Ninja but there were specific reasons for that and we have addressed that directly with the President of that training center. Let me see what I can find out here. I'm a bit worried you studied with "grey" materials, sybex and CBT nuggets are not endorsed in any way by EC Council and have proven problematic in the past, however your comments clearly go deeper than that. I will investigate and have raised your issue to to the appropriate parties here."
Standing by....
Steve Graham <[email protected]>
Steven Graham
Vice President | North America
EC-Council
https://my.linkedin.com/pub/cherylann-vanderhide/48/8bb/101
Malaysia...nice.....
Hello Wayne,
Please note that the CEH exam follows the exam blueprint here https://cert.eccouncil.org/images/doc/CEH-Exam-Blueprint-v2.0.pdf , The exam development policy is explained at https://cert.eccouncil.org/exam-development-procedure-and-item-challenge.html
Our exam is updated from to time to capture all the latest skills and knowledge a CEH should have as per industry requirements. So should you see any updated content, it only confirms are test are updated and test the current skills and knowledge the industry expects a CEH to hold.
Our exams are written my Subject matter experts and are not build by our in-house teams to ensure our tests focus on measuring the required skills and knowledge. As far as the quality of the exam is concern, our CEH exam forms are beta tested by a minimum 100 students and are psychometrically validated before they are live.
Candidate needs to go through the exam blueprint to prepare for the exam.
I hope this clarification helps.
Thank you.
I am hoping to be able to take the exam I studied for or given the new material and a retake of this exam.
Current Goal: CCSE
Continuous Education Plan: AWS-SAA, OSCP, CISM
Book/CBT/Study Material: Max Power
Email the Vice President and complain -- the more people that do - the more Cherylann and her stupid way of thinking will be corrected - and those of us that followed the v8 Objectives can take the exam we studied for!
Current Goal: CCSE
Continuous Education Plan: AWS-SAA, OSCP, CISM
Book/CBT/Study Material: Max Power
I just saw a RED TEAM position in VA - preferred was the OSCP -- if you had CEH - that was ok as well...
I think we are on the verge of OFF SEC stating, "stop memorizing answers and start learning what the answers mean"....is hitting the field...
I think that's why CEH is turning to live labs and ever changing exam questions...competition is going to drive OFF SEC on a higher demand as adversary attacks increase worldwide....but why gamble on CEH - when OFF SEC offers free Metasploit training and less expensive labs with positive results to earn the certification....????
Just like I said in the other thread, it is an ANSI exam, based on the job requirements of a CEH. It is not based on the courseware, nor is it allowed to be.
Current Goal: CCSE
Continuous Education Plan: AWS-SAA, OSCP, CISM
Book/CBT/Study Material: Max Power
As far OSCP - at least OFF SEC has released Metasploit for free - train, learn, and then jump on the paid labs -- and in a certain amount of time - earn the certification when taking the 24 Hacking Live Hacking exam...
I was heading there anyway after the CEH phase...
Yeap....same here....waiting....
With the OSCP course (Pentesting With Kali - PWK), you get a guide and some videos, and not much instruction or direction otherwise, and especially not for the exam. Hence the slogan, "try harder." The labs are not required but highly recommended. The exam is 48 hours total (24 hours of practical assessment to compromise specific targets worth varying amounts of points, and 24 hours to turn in a report detailing your engagement).
I'm curious to see exactly how many people here are having issues here. I will create a separate thread for tracking because there are too many of these similar threads it's hard to keep track.
That is good information -- thanks! I look forward to engaging in the OSCP....
Sir,
Apologies for the delayed response, i believe you have been writing to Steve Graham as well. I am replying back to you on behalf for all the EC-Council representative you have shared your concerns with. We really would like to help you in anyway at this point of time.
I have gone through all your comments below, thanks for putting all this down for us. We hope to use all your feedback and suggestions. We truly appreciate the time taken.
Thanks for sharing your background and details on how you have been on different forums and discussions assisting certification bodies such as us. More than worrying about our reputation we are worried about how we can meet customers expectations while still following a fair and independent exam development process for all.
People such as you with so much rich experience and network can really help make that possible by contributing your ideas. As such, we wish to officially invite you to contribute to our exam development exercise once you are done with your the CEH certification, since we both share the common goal to create fair and better exams. It may help you see the challenges a certification body faces from customers while trying to create real exams.
Unfortunately, we only have one single standard CEH exam currently, that has an extremely health passing ratio surprisingly given all the claims in your email, and this not only involves people who studied the CEHv8 courseware but also those who did a self- study, After reading your feedback we are studying why 70% of our self-study candidates could pass the exam without any of the materials you have listed below. We will try and keep you updated on this.
We would like to know if you would like to retest this exam? If yes, we would be happy to assist you with a discounted retake voucher.
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What do you plan to do?
The email you posted from EC Council says they are seeing a 70% pass rate on the exam you took.
Maybe they are lying. I guess in a couple of weeks we should hear on here from those who have passed the exam as of Oct 15th.
I see that lsimon305, OctalDump and kMastaFlash passed recently but it was the first couple of weeks in October and you are complaining about the exam getting significantly harder after Oct 15th.
I don't believe they will provide you with such information. I don't believe any certification organizations release specific numbers on anything to the general public.