Nuwin wrote: »
I think you missed the point on Bellevue's comment. They indicate that by taking their coursework in class or online will not matter on your transcripts. There is no indication how the material was received.
Bellevue is also not a nationally accredited, for-profit school. They're a private, regionally accredited, non-profit in Nebraska.
Anyway, their point, and my point is that if you go through a traditional school that has an online delivery channel, you get the same degree as the in-class student. There is no distinction between online or in class on your degree or transcripts.
It's not major league baseball. There is no asterisk.
If you need online schooling, I suggest the traditional school that now offers coursework in an online format. The fact that this discussion exists shows that there is a negative attitude for some towards the ITT, DeVry, etc. schools of the world. And if we have it, we know hiring managers will also have it.
I am sorry but that is there fault. They need to control themselves.
Most people come out of college with a loan the size of a new car... If you can't handle it don't go to school, seriously.
Riskbling wrote: »
I completely understand the message that Bellevue was sending out. However, their statement is worded very shady and unappealing, and almost comes off as a sales pitch. The message they are sending is "Don't worry nobody will find out", because people have a fear that their online degree is not as credible as a traditional degree. As previous posters have said, it is a generation gap. Online degrees are becoming more and more acceptable as technology advances. Either way, there are STILL employers in society that DO discriminate against online degrees.
P.S. I am at Offutt AFB, so Bellevue University is a trip down the street
jryantech wrote: »
Why at the age of 19 should I have stayed at a job that was complete and utter BS?
Geeksquad and Firedog are great for beginners but I felt I needed something more challenging so I left and now I am happy with my job.
And by the way just because you post a lot on these forums and spend your time digging with the search engine doesn't give you any sort of right to try and bully others. My opinion is mine and your opinion is yours. No need to start calling people clowns and ****, its just down right childish.
snadam wrote: »
No, because at 19, you have barely been out of high school long enough to experience the real world. He's not mad because you have an opinion. Everyone has them (like a-holes ), and everyone is entitled to them. He is mad because you make your opinion look like absolute fact, then use deductive reasoning behind it. "I have option A, and option B. I like A, so B sucks." How about you try and form your opinions into SUGGESTIONS? This is called being courteous to others. I have a friend like this, and it drives me insane. And yes, you do come off as a clown when you talk the way you do. You don't know me. You don't know my financial status or my status in life; who the F are you to tell me how to spend my money and go to what school? That is my gut reaction when I read your posts in this thread. Why would I ever listen to you if all you do is reply like this? If you haven't been there, then shut up and let the experienced people talk. If you must say something, then merely suggest. Remember, the vast majority of the people you're talking to are older than you, married, parents, people who have been to school, people who have graduated school, people who have worked in the industry longer than you, and people that have worked in the industry longer than you've been alive.
PS: Great thread for the most part. The resources and links appear to be helpful!
skrpune wrote: »
Agreed. I'm only a couple classes into my CS degree (at a B&M uni), but I can see the gaping difference in results between those who put in the effort and those who don't. Each student should know that it's up to them to do something other than just occasionally show up for class and send texts to their friends/significant other during class, but it's amazing how many folks are hesitant to do read or homework or pay attention or study. It's sad really.
msteinhilber wrote: »
It's incredible when you consider how much students pay for classes. I have had so many people in my classes be it online or on-campus (I'm in a hybrid program and take some classes entirely online, some entirely on-campus, and some split between the two) that barely put in any effort whatsoever. So many who just want to pass and are good at getting a half-way decent grade but really do not pull anything out of it. They just think the slip of paper at the end is all they need.
HeroPsycho wrote: »
Seriously, something should also be pointed out about loans. I personally didn't take out any student loans to get my degree. I came out of high school with an academic scholarship paying for half of everything. I worked part time through college as a full time student to avoid debt. To do this, I had to put up living at home during that time, which unbelievably sucked, but I came out debt free aside from $1000 maybe on the credit card for miscellaneous stuff like parking permits and textbooks. Aside from maybe allowing me to move out, a student loan would not have allowed me to finish school earlier than I did. I had my master's, bachelor's, and a minor in five years; about the only way I could have gotten through faster is by taking more summer classes than I already took, and intercession classes during the winter break, which I worked full time instead to afford the next semester. Most semesters were packed with between 16-18 credit hours.
With that said, considering the low interest typically on student loans and tax deductions, determine how long it would take you to get through college with one vs. without one. If it takes you two years longer without a loan, and the degree is gonna improve your earning potential let's say by 10k/yr, that two years of +10K/yr in salary might more than pay for the interest on the student loan, not to mention going through college as a full time student is cheaper than as a part time student when you add it all up.
This is the kind of reason I say that while debt is generally not good, it's not always bad, and taking a student loan out if it gets you through school faster and happier, absolutely nothing wrong with that, and it's often times smarter to do it, too.
FadeToBright wrote: »
You speak as though your way is the only way. People come from all walks of life.
I have no problems with peoples opinions but do not go around dictating to others how to live there life. Especially if you do not know the whole story.
msteinhilber wrote: »
It's incredible when you consider how much students pay for classes.
eMeS wrote: »
1. Every school hiding behind this "we're accredited" nonsense is dis-ingenious. Any school that wants to can achieve accreditation. Read about accreditation in the United States, it's really a mess and tells you very little about the quality of the school.
JDMurray wrote: »
However, attending an accredited school is necessary to help ensure that the units (CPEs, CEUs, academic credits) will transfer to other learning institutions when you need them. Don't short-change yourself by thinking you'll only ever need one degree. You may find years from now a new educational direction for yourself, and you'll need those prior earned units to help yourself get another degree.CHEA is the central accrediting body (in the USA) and the school you choose should be on their list of accredited institutions. Also check with the individual school you plan to attend to discover what other educational institutions have accepted their units. CHEA-accreditation doesn't mean that a school's units will automatically transfer anywhere.
Great post, eMeS.
eMeS wrote: »
I definitely don't propose that accreditation be ignored, but I do think the consumers in the US need a better method of judging schools.
eMeS wrote: »
My problem with accreditation in the US is that currently the way it's structured it in no way guarantees controls or limitations on variance between schools (or only minimally does so). Two schools, accredited by the same body, could do things in vastly different ways and achieve vastly different results.
veritas_libertas wrote: »
Interesting conversation, I think the majority of the time debts are a bad idea. If you can find a way around taking a school loan then do it. The last thing a student fresh out of college needs is a debt. Especially with the economy the way it is. If can't find a good job right a way you could have a huge sum to deal with paying back. I personally just dealt with that decision and decided on not taking classes this fall at a state college in the area I am moving to because of the outrageous out of state tuition. The state charges double. Depending upon what I decide this may slow me down for a year, but that is better than being in debt up to my ears.
binarysoul wrote: »
You said it yourself! I'm totally against doing an entire degree online no matter how much prestige one tries to attach to online education. The major disadvantage of online education is the nonexistence of motivation. Now try to complete university level courses in front of a PC all by yourself; unless I'm Einstein determined to work on next big discovery I wouldn't have too much motivation to study in front of a PC for four years. I'd rather be in a class and learn besides some hot ladies (there is one advantage).
But that's me, hey, but if it makes you happy that's all it matters. Good luck.
mrhaun03 wrote: »
I completely and respectfully disagree. The hot ladies would be a distraction. Sitting in a room alone by my PC would allow me to focus more on my studies. The reason I want to go back to school is enough motivation for me. I'm not gonna pay all that money to mess around.
dynamik wrote: »
I've seriously been considering going back to school just to meet women
JDMurray wrote: »
Pick a college that has an excellent registered nursing degree programs (BSRN/MSRN) and take science and humanities classes required by the programs. The quality of the scoopage is unbelievable.
veritas_libertas wrote: »
I am still baffled by their choice of campuses for cert testing.