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Bl8ckr0uter Inactive Imported Users Posts: 5,031 ■■■■■■■■□□
Are you being serious?
Wifi upstairs = wifi downstairs = wifi throughout your whole house. The wireless signal doesn't choose which rooms to be in....
Not if he has crazy walls or other interferences or if downstairs really means in a basement. Try a repeater or making that second router a repeater. Or powerline networking
HowStuffWorks "How Power-line Networking Works" -
gateway Member Posts: 232i supose i could replace the 2nd router with a switch but i do want wifi upstairs aswell as one downstairs
when i try to change the IP of the TP router i get the following error
Error code: 5008
WAN IP address and LAN IP address cannot be in a same subnet. Please input another IP address.
Can you change the WAN port to 192.168.1.1 and leave the LAN port as 192.168.0.1 and have all LAN machines on 192.168.0.0/24 network?
Silly question maybe, but are you trying to connect to the windows 7 box by name or ip?Blogging my AWS studies here! http://www.itstudynotes.uk/aws-csa -
Lee H Member Posts: 1,135i am struggling with this one, cant seem to make the router act as just a switch
i cant disable dhcp cos after a reboot the pc plugged into it loses all connections
i cant give it a static ip as i get the following message
"Error code: 5008
WAN IP address and LAN IP address cannot be in a same subnet. Please input another IP address."
I knew all along that there would be a switch in this room, i have just finished making a cupboard for 4 PC's, i opted for a wireless router as my house is pre war and all solid walls
regardless of what kit i have this should be possible i can get internet on the xp machine but its totally blocked from my win7 pc. -
gateway Member Posts: 232You should be able to change the LAN IP on the TP router. This router isn't connected to the WAN so it shouldn't have an IP configured to it?Blogging my AWS studies here! http://www.itstudynotes.uk/aws-csa
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Bl8ckr0uter Inactive Imported Users Posts: 5,031 ■■■■■■■■□□Ok lets review here:
You have this
Router 1:
192.168.1.1 /24
PC 1 (win7) 192.168.1.X
Router 2:
192.168.0.1 /24
Pc 2 (winxp) 192.168.0.X
If you want to want to make this work, you want this:
Router 1:
192.168.1.1 /24
PC 1 (win7) 192.168.1.X
Router 2:
192.168.1.2 /24
Pc 2 (winxp) 192.168.1.X
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Lee H Member Posts: 1,135You should be able to change the LAN IP on the TP router. This router isn't connected to the WAN so it shouldn't have an IP configured to it?
I can only change the LAN IP as long as the third octet stays 1
My WAN ip is dynamic, the third octet of this also cannot be changed from 0 to 1 or i get same message, LAN and WAN cannot be in same subnet. -
Bl8ckr0uter Inactive Imported Users Posts: 5,031 ■■■■■■■■□□I can only change the LAN IP as long as the third octet stays 1
My WAN ip is dynamic, the third octet of this also cannot be changed from 0 to 1 or i get same message, LAN and WAN cannot be in same subnet
What type of router are you using? -
exampasser Member Posts: 718 ■■■□□□□□□□I can only change the LAN IP as long as the third octet stays 1
My WAN ip is dynamic, the third octet of this also cannot be changed from 0 to 1 or i get same message, LAN and WAN cannot be in same subnet
Maybe you need to flash that annoying router with firmware from www.dd-wrt.com | Unleash Your Router, the firmware phoeneous is using. -
Lee H Member Posts: 1,135What type of router are you using?
D-LINK DIR-615 downstairs with Win7 client
192.168.0.104
255.255.255.0
192.168.0.1
TP-LINK TL-WR740N Upstairs with XP client connected
192.168.1.100
255.255.255.0
192.168.1.1. -
Bl8ckr0uter Inactive Imported Users Posts: 5,031 ■■■■■■■■□□So I'm reading the manual of this thing on the bottom of this page:
Download
And I have to say, this thing looks pretty weak. I know you can do this on any linksys and netgear but it doesn't do a good job of showing the gui. DD_WRT for the win like P said lol. -
Devilsbane Member Posts: 4,214 ■■■■■■■■□□Routers usually have a 4 port switch with a internet connection port. Bypass the internet connection port, plug both sides into the 4 port swich, kill NAT and DHCP on the router and it should be a switch.Decide what to be and go be it.
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Devilsbane Member Posts: 4,214 ■■■■■■■■□□exampasser wrote: »Maybe you need to flash that annoying router with firmware from www.dd-wrt.com | Unleash Your Router, the firmware phoeneous is using.
I have never tried to change firmware on my routers. Is there any danger to doing this? What if it mucks things up and I want the default firmware, is that easy to stick back on it?Decide what to be and go be it. -
Lee H Member Posts: 1,135Gonna try to change the downstairs IP to 192.168.1.104 see what happens
Think I paid about £17 for it, lol
My Dlink is off Virgin Media. -
exampasser Member Posts: 718 ■■■□□□□□□□Devilsbane wrote: »I have never tried to change firmware on my routers. Is there any danger to doing this? What if it mucks things up and I want the default firmware, is that easy to stick back on it?
Here is the router compatibility page to see if it's safe to work for your particular router:
Supported Devices - DD-WRT Wiki
For your second question I would assume that you could, but I would ask phoeneous as I have never done it myself. -
Devilsbane Member Posts: 4,214 ■■■■■■■■□□exampasser wrote: »Here is the router compatibility page to see if it's safe to work for your particular router:
Supported Devices - DD-WRT Wiki
For your second question I would assume that you could, but I would ask phoeneous as I have never done it myself.
I have a couple older Linksys routers lying around, I might have to sit down and have a weekened project sometime.Decide what to be and go be it. -
phoeneous Member Posts: 2,333 ■■■■■■■□□□Devilsbane wrote: »I have never tried to change firmware on my routers. Is there any danger to doing this? What if it mucks things up and I want the default firmware, is that easy to stick back on it?
Sure is. Just make a backup of your factory firmware. ddwrt has soooo many features! Ive had my linksys wrtg flashed for years. -
exampasser Member Posts: 718 ■■■□□□□□□□Now all we need is an all-in-one BIOS firmware for OEM machines, locked-down OEM BIOS is an Abomination!
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Lee H Member Posts: 1,135Hi
Does anyone have any idea why i cannot have my LAN IP in same subnet as my WAN IP
LAN
MAC Address:
00-27-19-FF-43-FA
IP Address:
192.168.3.1
Subnet Mask:
255.255.255.0
WAN
MAC Address: 00-27-19-FF-43-FB
IP Address: 192.168.0.102 Dynamic IP
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 192.168.0.1
DNS Server: 192.168.0.1 , 0.0.0.0
The WAN i on Dynamic IP, and i can change it to static
If I give it an IP of 192.168.1.100 and the gateway 192.168.0.1, it tells me its a bad gateway, am i right in saying without 192.168.0.1 in here I would have no internet, which means the WAN ip has to have "0" in the third octet. -
phoeneous Member Posts: 2,333 ■■■■■■■□□□Hi
Does anyone have any idea why i cannot have my LAN IP in same subnet as my WAN IP
Because that's not how networking works. It's like having an office building with 50 offices, each one has it's own suite number. -
Lee H Member Posts: 1,135Because that's not how networking works. It's like having an office building with 50 offices, each one has it's own suite number.
That doesn't really explain the need for 2 different subnets, when you reach more than 255 clients isn't that when you introduce a new subnet
I also could do with learning CCNA, maybe that would help but for now I just need access to my win7 pc, grrrrrrr. -
Bl8ckr0uter Inactive Imported Users Posts: 5,031 ■■■■■■■■□□That doesn't really explain the need for 2 different subnets, when you reach more than 255 clients isn't that when you introduce a new subnet
I also could do with learning CCNA, maybe that would help but for now I just need access to my win7 pc, grrrrrrr
You don't need different subnets for this if you are using the TP router as I described. I honestly think at this point you need to just plug everything into a switch and call it a day. you could have configured rip by now as well. -
phoeneous Member Posts: 2,333 ■■■■■■■□□□That doesn't really explain the need for 2 different subnets, when you reach more than 255 clients isn't that when you introduce a new subnet
I also could do with learning CCNA, maybe that would help but for now I just need access to my win7 pc, grrrrrrr
The number of clients is irrelevant, the path that traffic takes is more important. If you need to get IP traffic from one router to the other, the sending router needs to know what destination address to send it to. Just like if you need to visit someone in that 50 office building, you need to know their suite number. If all 50 offices had the same suite number, you wouldnt know which office to go to. You cannot have two different interfaces on the same subnet, it doesnt work like that.
If you want access to your Win 7 pc then plug it into an open switchport on one of your routers. Then plug your xp machine into an open switchport on the same router that the Win 7 pc is connected to. Disconnect the other router completely and put it away, you don't need it.
You're making this too difficult for yourself when really it is very simple. -
Lee H Member Posts: 1,135The number of clients is irrelevant, the path that traffic takes is more important. If you need to get IP traffic from one router to the other, the sending router needs to know what destination address to send it to. Just like if you need to visit someone in that 50 office building, you need to know their suite number. If all 50 offices had the same suite number, you wouldnt know which office to go to. You cannot have two different interfaces on the same subnet, it doesnt work like that.
If you want access to your Win 7 pc then plug it into an open switchport on one of your routers. Then plug your xp machine into an open switchport on the same router that the Win 7 pc is connected to. Disconnect the other router completely and put it away, you don't need it.
You're making this too difficult for yourself when really it is very simple.
I totally agree, if I knew I was going to have this issue I would have bought a switch and not a wireless router, will be purchasing a 6 port switch, plugging 4 PC's and the link from downstairs into it, leaves 1 port for the TP router to give upstairs wireless, no PC's will be plugged in to the wireless router so this should work fine
Thanks for your help guys really appreciated. -
Lee H Member Posts: 1,135No it didnt
My TP router will not allow me to put it on the same subnet as my Dlink, same arror keep coming up
Seems I have to buy a switch instead, shame cos I thought it would be possible to make my TP router to work as just a switch?
It funny how the TP picks up my gateway as being 192.168.0.1, which is the IP for my Dlink
Dont know enough about this area of IT to fix IT myself so will have to buy a switch. -
Bl8ckr0uter Inactive Imported Users Posts: 5,031 ■■■■■■■■□□No offense but this is extremely basic networking. I suggest that you pick up a network+ book (NOT a CCENT/CCNA) and take a week to read it. It will only help make you better. Just my 0.02.
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earweed Member Posts: 5,192 ■■■■■■■■■□No it didnt
My TP router will not allow me to put it on the same subnet as my Dlink, same arror keep coming up
Seems I have to buy a switch instead, shame cos I thought it would be possible to make my TP router to work as just a switch?
It funny how the TP picks up my gateway as being 192.168.0.1, which is the IP for my Dlink
Dont know enough about this area of IT to fix IT myself so will have to buy a switch
Anybody know what port network discovery uses? He could unblock that port on the TP and the Dlink and have the problem fixed.No longer work in IT. Play around with stuff sometimes still and fix stuff for friends and relatives. -
Bl8ckr0uter Inactive Imported Users Posts: 5,031 ■■■■■■■■□□Doesn't network discovery use a collection of services?
Well apparently it is built off of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_Layer_Topology_Discovery
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/winserverPN/thread/4deb7dfc-9bdc-480d-9672-3eb1a7ae8a17 -
earweed Member Posts: 5,192 ■■■■■■■■■□So from what the article says netwok dicover doesn't work across routers so set up a upstairs and downstars switch and anything youy want to "see" each other has to be on the switch. He can still use the wireless router upsatirs but none of them can see each other.
>---router--switch---upstairs---switch--router
and plug all comps that want to see each other into switches. The problem with using the router as a switch is that it's built(internally) like --router--switch
Has the OP tried devilsbanes suggestion of plugging the cable form the downstairs router into one of the switch ports of the router?No longer work in IT. Play around with stuff sometimes still and fix stuff for friends and relatives.