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UnixGuy wrote: » you've got to read this...The Making of a 20-Something Multimillionaire Serial Entrepreneur | Entrepreneur.com
Turgon wrote: » It's interesting. Making it big depends on a lot of factors beyond your control. The attributes he mentions apply to successful people even if you dont make the big time.
UnixGuy wrote: » two things that really got my attention: 1) "Success Tip: Don't focus so much energy on what you've lost, focus on what you need to win...." <== I'm guilty... and this:"When faced with rejection… embrace it. This will change the entire way you look at life. Whenever someone says they're not interested in working [for me] or buying [from me], it fuels my competitive side. It may not be today or even next year, but I will carefully design a strategy to get a 'yes.' And when a 'yes' fuels you more than the actual deal or opportunity, you can embrace rejection in a much more competitive way." <== I'm doing this right now... 2) What's with millionaires/billionaires being school/uni dropouts ? Is formal education a waste of time ? I think the 400+ yrs old education system need some serious work...
Turgon wrote: » On point 1, sometimes some rejection is a positive thing because the people rejecting are actually right. Be careful of going all out to prove people wrong. Sometimes rejection is a signpost to diverting your energies into areas where you can succeed.
UnixGuy wrote: » I agree with you on this. I got an interview with the company of my dreams, and I had to fly in for an interview, and I sucked big time in their technical exam. I took that seriously..I really thought I was gonna get the job, but I just didn't have the technical expertise they want. So I started building those skills rather than being pissed off at myself...
Turgon wrote: » Its a difficult one. Back in the day you might have landed that job and done well at it. Today with the technologies bedded in and the big mistakes made and learned from, the expectations are high. Personally I find trying out for different jobs to be very important. You may want to be an MPLS specialist..so you run off and do CCIP and CCIE SP. Then you get interviewed by a mobile phone carrier that needs someone with field experience and get splattered by the questions they ask you. Is that a bad experience? No. It teaches you what a job requires which allows you to decide if it's something you want to do.
UnixGuy wrote: » funny it's a mobile applications world-class giant that interviewed me. They first said they can't recruit me when I applied and thanked me. One month later they said they want to give me a chance, and did a phone interview which I did well. Then they bought me a ticket and invited me for a face to face interview..they were very polite, but their interview was really specific to the technology they use, and I was honest and told them what I know and what I can do, and what I can learn...anyway, now I did what it takes to build those skills and more...*I hope*
Turgon wrote: » hehehe..well thats a good thing. For my part, I was put forward for the mobile carrier job by a nice lady agent and got well and truly owned in I think 2009? Had it been one of those 'learn on the job' gigs I would have been fine, but based on the questions asked they needed a timeserved mobile phone MPLS core designer. One thing that came over in the interview questions was that no amount of certifications, no amount of CCIEs and no power on earth beats practical experience of *doing* that kind of work for years. But I always knew that
UnixGuy wrote: » That's right, the thing is, we cant always get a chance to work on all the technologies that we like, a job has its limitations, and that's my case. I gain experience, but not in all the fields that I want to. But definitely a CCIE wouldn't have got me that job anyway hehe
UnixGuy wrote: » two things that really got my attention: 2) What's with millionaires/billionaires being school/uni dropouts ? Is formal education a waste of time ? I think the 400+ yrs old education system need some serious work...
MrRyte wrote: » The problem is the ongoing misconception about education equalling success. I'm sure all of us has heard this from the vast majority of friends and family on how to be successful in life: get an degree and get a good job. So the younger generation follows the advice, end up in the same financial hamster-wheel as everyone else but can't figure out what's wrong. Then along comes this guy, Steve Jobs and others who had the guts to venture off the beaten path to create their own destiny and everyone else wants question his/her logic. But perhaps the bigger question is this: what EXACTLY is education supposed to teach us?
Turgon wrote: » Well far too many people have looked at education as a vehicle to more money. That's not what education is intrinsically about. Education helps you develop as a person something that in the long run helps not only your bank account but your life. Jobs had a few things going for him. Lots of bright people venture off the path and bring the same vigour that Jobs did and fail.
NightShade03 wrote: » Education needs to be overhauled badly and everyone with the title "Career Counselor" just needs to be shot...
tpatt100 wrote: » Oh man this is SO important. My wife asked me why I was always updating my list on Google docs or self evaluating myself every few months. I told her a lot of times you have to prepare yourself for a possible opportunity BEFORE it happens rather than WHEN it happens.
NightShade03 wrote: » I agree with this. When I graduated every professor rambled on about how you can make $80k a year as a programmer and that what they were teaching was invaluable for your job. Well after graduation I have no interest in a programming job and 70% of what I learned during school didn't help me till 3 years (and 3 jobs) later. Education needs to be overhauled badly and everyone with the title "Career Counselor" just needs to be shot...
UnixGuy wrote: » I think one important problem with IT education is that the teachers are either without practical experience (went straight from BSc to MSc to PhD), or with outdated knowledge (20+yrs old knowledge for example).
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