supasecuritybro wrote: » Preason Vue agrees there was an update to the exam? EC-Council is not saying that at all. I went back to look at my exam and it said v8 on it and now there is not nomenclature on it if I wanted to re-take. I knew it looked different. So have you heard back from EC-Council?
GreaterNinja wrote: » Well, I read the boring EC - CEH related books & chapters for WGU. It was so boring I fell asleep several times on several cups of coffee. Why on earth do they put so many outdated tools in the official reading material?
IronmanX wrote: » I believe EC Council should remove the passing percentage score from the splash screen at the end of the exam. All this does it makes people over confident. If you are experienced in pen testing it is multiple choice and you can narrow down your options to pick from and score fairly well.
BillV_ wrote: » What would the purpose be? Or who would benefit from that? Are you trying to prevent the people from scoring high from going out and posting "Hey, it was easy, I got a 95%," and then others assuming it's an easy test? On the other side, if you follow ISC2, then you'd still be telling the people that didn't pass they missed at 68%.
IronmanX wrote: » Well whats the purpose of showing the passing percentage when a 70% or a 100% means the same thing? Showing a failing score would show the test taker just how close or far they were to passing. If it could be broken doesn into categories and a percentage for eatch category even better.
GreaterNinja wrote: » So far I've: -read all of the official CEH v8 material....found it extremely boring and somewhat outdated. The reading material gives information on outdated tools for Windows NT 4.0, 95, 98, 2000, 2003.
GreaterNinja wrote: » My WGU MSISA mentor just called and recommended pulling me out of the CEH class for the following reasons: -EC Council has not supplied WGU with new CEH V9 material and thus the course learning material is not aligned with the exam anymore. -Many students who have passed the Boson Practice test with over 90% scores are failing the new CEH exam now. Very few of the students are passing. My mentor has given me the alternative of removing the course now or I can try the course. However, if I do not pass the exam before my term it will count as a not passed on my transcript. Consequently, I will have to study for 4 classes to most likely receive only 8 CU. Its not WGU's fault, the responsibility falls on EC Council for making such an impromptu change. BillV can quote math or whatever, but the numbers and people are starting to tell quite a different story. Dammed if I do, dammed if I don't. Now I have to move and risk having a "not passed" on my transcript. IMO EC Council's best solution to this is keep the legacy V8 exam for 6-12 months alive while also rolling out the V9 exam. This is what Microsoft, VMware, CompTia and so many other organizations do when they push new exams. They Slowly retire exams and give advanced communication of exam availability. I have to say I'm pretty pissed off. Lets hope the CHFI course I also signed up for does not have an impromptu change this semester.
Sch1sm wrote: » Yup, this would've made sense. There is nothing wrong with updating the exam (to v9) but the way the EC-Council has handled it has been a disaster. This entire problem could've been solved by the EC-Council releasing a statement saying something like "From X date, anyone sitting the CEH exam will be given the v9 version of the exam. The difference in v9 is xyz." but they didn't do that
GreaterNinja wrote: » CEH has their exam registered as "CERTIFIED ETHICAL HACKER v8" with ANSI until 2017. https://www.ansica.org/wwwversion2/ANSICAfiles/Certificates/913/ECC%20certificate%20rev3.pdf This is a counterexample to what you are saying about version numbers and ANSI. A+, Network+, Security+ all have (or had) multiple versions which counted toward their respective ANSI certification. I think CEH certainly could have used different version numbers or name schemes. Anyway you look at it, EC handled this very poorly.
IronmanX wrote: » Looks like both exams are now very fluid. New Questions will be added as they become relevant.
wayne_wonder wrote: » Have they out the prices up of the exam voucher or is it just me that thought it used to be $500??
BillV_ wrote: » I'm not familiar with the Boson tests or how many questions are in the test pool but I do know that once you've taken an exam with the same questions twice, you start learning the questions and answers rather than the material. Also, I have no idea whether the Boson tests are even a good measure for the actual exam. Are the Boson tests endorsed by EC-Council? Based on the amount of people that have posted here saying they've used these and then scored poorly on the exam, I'm going to guess no. I have seen the numbers/percentages of candidates that have passed the CEH exam going back to April of this year I believe. There has not been a drastic or significant decrease in the number of people passing. EC-Council used to do exactly what you've suggested - roll out a new version of the exam while allowing the current version to be taken for up to 6 months after the new one was put out. But, as I'm sure you've already guessed, the version number for the exam has gone away since moving to ANSI. The reason you see the v8 listed on the ANSI website is to distinguish it from prior versions that were not accredited. The agreement after was that certification holders prior to ANSI accreditation are technically supposed to list their certification as 'CEH v5' etc. while accredited holders can just list 'CEH.'
GreaterNinja wrote: » I won't even go into the number of people I've seen on this forum who have said they have failed versus passed in the last 21 days
GreaterNinja wrote: » CompTIA simultaneously uses different versions of its exams and still remains ANSI compliant on A+ Ce, Security+ Ce, Network+ Ce and CASP.
GreaterNinja wrote: » Lastly, there is a contradiction to this stuff about ANSI version/compliance stuff you guys keep posting: CompTIA simultaneously uses different versions of its exams and still remains ANSI compliant on A+ Ce, Security+ Ce, Network+ Ce and CASP. Let me elaborate: A+ Ce (ANSI Certified) has at least 4 different exams currently. Security+ Ce (ANSI Certified) had 2-3 different exams you could take to achieve the ANSI certification. SY0-301, SY0-401, and JK-022 Network+ Ce had n10-006, n1-005, and jk0-023. In CompTia’s case their previous version exams would expire at least 6 months after the latest version came out. Yet they all still count toward the respective ANSI certification. Those three certifications have remained ANSI certified since 2008.
IronmanX wrote: » They are saying they are seeing around the same pass fail ratio right now. I don't know if they are telling truth or not, but there have been a few posts of people who passed and said it was no big deal. You are going to see a lot more failed posts right now because people who failed previously would have either just tried again or quit. Right now if you fail you complain about how "stupid/dumb" the exam/organization is. And hey I don't know if I took it and failed if I would not be doing the same thing these others are doing. Its easier to blame someone then own it and try harder.
OctalDump wrote: » There isn't necessarily a contradiction here. The ANSI requirement is that exams are constantly reviewed and updated. This can be done within a version of an exam. So, ANSI accreditation might mean that a certifier can have versions of their exams but isn't required to, as long as the exam is updated regularly. Possibly, the certifier could also update within a version of an exam. There are probably multiple ways to meet the accreditation requirements. The relevant standard appears to be ISO 17024:2012, but I can't find a free+open copy of the standard. Possibly the analog here is between the "ce" versions of comptia and v8 version of CEH. CE is the line in the sand between the old un-accredited versions, similarly v8 is that same line. Certainly, I'm not saying that EC-Council has done a good job here. There seems at the very least to have been a failure to communicate what they are doing with the exam adequately to people intending to take the exam, and it seems also their training partners.
GreaterNinja wrote: » You give no sources or stats when you say things like "they are seeing around the same pass fail ratio right now." To myself it really seems you and Billv are spouting the same stuff and the more I look into it, its actually not true. WGU would not call me up and try to remove me from the course unless they had a good reason. They have no reason to not tell the truth. On the other hand, Billv is a representative of EC/CEH. I'm guessing you are a representative of EC/CEH as well. Certainly, I can see a reason why you and Billv would give misleading, baseless, and even false information.
GreaterNinja wrote: » Billv and Ironmanx were saying that because CEH is now certified by ANSI they cannot have more than one version of the exam out at the same time. The contradiction is not simply ANSI requirements. Its more about what Billv and IronmanX are writing about CEH, ANSI, and why they only have one version of the CEH exam out at a time. The Comptia - ANSI examples are certainly a contradiction/counterexample to what Ironmanx and Billv are saying. Even ANSI's data for CEH and CompTIA on their website gives contradicting information to what they have previously wrote.
GreaterNinja wrote: » Again, even previous versions of Network+ exam going back to 2008 are considered ANSI certified. You can even see there is version overlap of about 6 months. Billv and Ironmanx claimed that because CEH is ANSI certified it cannot have version overlap. So here is my conclusion: IronmanX and Billv are giving misinformation. Either they don't know what they are talking about or they are intentionally trying to downplay the situation and mislead people on this forum probably due to conflict of interest.
