You know what really messes with me

N2IT

When you lock into a company that you really like, but......... the pay is light. (Not too light)

Then a company closer, looking to pay 40% more and put you in a high level position comes a long. Only problem I just hit my 6 month mark. Seriously 6 freaking months and this comes along.

I really want to turn it down, but man it's so freaking hard.



How do you manage this? IT is crazy, it's like no other.

Lexluethar

Do what is best for you and your family. That doesn't always mean taking more money either - generally companies that pay more for a similar job or a job will work the crap out of you. So if getting home on time is more important to you then say countless late evenings or saturday evenings doing maintenance then I would stick with the company that works you less.

In situations like that i just do a pros and cons. Line both companies up and go through the list, once written down you'll see pretty quick which is the right choice for you.

N2IT

I'm a notorious job hopper in the past and I really don't think I will be able to bale so soon. It just doesn't feel right. I agree money isn't everything but I could use that 40%. That's the one part that is tough.

networker050184

Sometimes you just have to shut down the job search for a bit if you want to settle down. It seems something better or more interesting is always coming along.

dave330i

Why turn it down. It's a good raise and a promotion. You should interview and find out more about this new company.

iBrokeIT

dave330i wrote: »

Why turn it down. It's a good raise and a promotion. You should interview and find out more about this new company.

I agree, I don't think a future employer can fault for you taking a raise and promotion. "It's just business"

networker050184

An employer can certainly fault you for changing jobs every six months if they are looking for someone to stick it out for the long haul.

Mutata

I think this really depends on where your priorities lie.

If you're afraid of the perception of being a job hopper, are you fearful enough to turn down a 40% pay increase. If you are then it's probably a good idea to let it go. People change jobs, sometimes frequently in order to get to exactly where they want. I haven't seen many hiring managers balk at people who change jobs frequently under the right circumstances. If you give the "well I wasn't feeling it there anymore" - sure it sounds worse than the "it was a 40% pay increase and I was doing it to provide for the needs of my family".

Employers can fault you for anything and everything you do. It's just whether or not you want to be working for someone who faults you for things that make logical sense.

N2IT

@ Dave it really is, it's a service management / architect position, whereas now I am a senior ba. It's a major skill upgrade imo.

shocktattooer

iBrokeIT wrote: »

I agree, I don't think a future employer can fault for you taking a raise and promotion. "It's just business"

Got that right, as I've learned from my current employer of 22yrs (non IT), loyalty means nothing in most companies, most of the time you're just another number and they wont hesitate to outsource you, after all "it's just business". Do what you need to do for yourself. On a positive note, being outsourced motivated me to start on my IT certs, something I should have done a lonnnng time ago.

nster

If there doesn't seem to be an opportunity to have a raise or move up anytime soon and the prospective job looks secure enough, I can see it being worth taking the hit to your reputation for the raise

Of course consider the very important work environment and what are you doing at your job / experience, but you already know that.

I personally turned down a huge raise to avoid breaking my current motivation to pursue my education

Priston

Are you happy with where you are now?

N2IT

Yeah I am, I like the people and the position. It's really a great group of people, I can't stress that enough.

My boss helped get me the job, I feel like I would be doing her dirty if I bounced. I am able to deliver solutions very quickly and they really have been leaning heavily on me which I love.

I still am going to talk to the hiring manager but express my situation etc. It's not an interview just a conversation.

I really feel like I need to stay where I am at for at least 2 years.

QHalo

A 40% pay increase is life changing, unless you're making 300k.

UnixGuy

Are you confident that in two years time, when you update your resume, that you can score that 40% increase and position again?

RHDS2K

I would NOT turn down an extra 40% and a job that's closer to home. Seems silly to me.

FloOz

A 40% raise is not something that should be turned down. You should never "feel bad" for your company about leaving because I can bet that almost anyone there would jump at the opportunity if they were made such an offer. I also agree with the statement that this kind of offer may not come along in 2-3 years time when you are ready to move again.

dave330i

N2IT wrote: »

Yeah I am, I like the people and the position. It's really a great group of people, I can't stress that enough.

My boss helped get me the job, I feel like I would be doing her dirty if I bounced. I am able to deliver solutions very quickly and they really have been leaning heavily on me which I love.

I still am going to talk to the hiring manager but express my situation etc. It's not an interview just a conversation.

I really feel like I need to stay where I am at for at least 2 years.

That's an interesting wrinkle. I would still interview with the other company. On paper there are lots of upside. If you really like the new company and they make an offer, then have an honest discussion with your current boss.

doobu

You advised me a lot. Go with what you're gut says. The passion. The experience. If you can gain something you can't get any where else, it would be hard to refuse and you would be compensated for it, too.

I would sit down with your boss. They seem approachable and understanding. Tell them someone is "head hunting" you. Talk about it and maybe you can actually be in an even higher role than where you are?

I don't think it'll hurt to interview though, but once you do there's a time limit then on whether or not you'll accept the job. They're interviewing you for a need, not a want.

tkerber

I've changed a lot of jobs. Each and every job I've taken was a raise and a promotion and I have changed quite a few jobs in the last couple of years. I realize it's not ideal and that is why my new job I plan on staying for a year or two. Although I agree a lot with what everyone is saying about loyalty and how things are different--there is a certain point to where you WILL actually start to jeopardize your career. I'm not going to talk numbers but I've made a lot of hops and the last recruiter that called me made damn well that this was going to stick and told me that it was in my best interest to stay put for a while---that's coming from a recruiter.

Companies WILL start asking you questions and will prod you if they see a resume of a top notch guy that can't stay at one company for more than a couple of months.

N2IT

It's been put in motion, I scheduled a date later this week to discuss.

doobu

N2IT wrote: »

It's been put in motion, I scheduled a date later this week to discuss.

Good. I hope it goes well and it's what you need to progress your passion.

N2IT

I really am leaning on staying, but I've got to talk to them just to make sure.

One thing I wanted to add, my last job I was there ~15 months and during my stint there I was offered a job that paid 20% more and I passed on it and looking back I wish I would of went for it.

Either way life is full of decisions sometimes you make good ones and sometimes you make bad ones.

dave330i

N2IT wrote: »

One thing I wanted to add, my last job I was there ~15 months and during my stint there I was offered a job that paid 20% more and I passed on it and looking back I wish I would of went for it.

20% increase may not justify switching jobs depending on where you are career wise. 40% increase would be the minimum for me atm.

GL on the potential new job and keep us updated.

Nemowolf

You may not have been there long but the product of your time may be far superior to that of your peers. I have been with my current employer for just over a year and have a pending offer that will end up getting me roughly 30% more per year on my base salary but will have its own balance of pro's and con's.

While the timing isnt great and I feel that leaving now, that doesnt do anything for my bills, rent or food on the table. Its business and not personal. I will end up doing it again and again as long as the numbers play out right.

anhtran35

N2IT wrote: »

I really am leaning on staying, but I've got to talk to them just to make sure.

One thing I wanted to add, my last job I was there ~15 months and during my stint there I was offered a job that paid 20% more and I passed on it and looking back I wish I would of went for it.

Either way life is full of decisions sometimes you make good ones and sometimes you make bad ones.

This happens to the best of us. I had 2 job offers years back: CACI offered an SA position with the National Recon Organization. ManTech offered an NA position with Department of State. Chose the CACI position. They lost the contract to LockHeed Martin 5 months later. Met the ManTech Hiring Manager at Coastal Flat restaurant months later. Told me where he was sending his people( Singapore; Bangkok, ChangMai etc ). Stated it would have been great to bring me on.

joemc3

You don't owe loyalty to any company. Unless someone vouched for you, you need to go. Companies don't care about you and they will drop you in a heartbeat if they need to.

kohr-ah

I say check it out and see what kind of a feeling you get then determine where you want to go from there.

It is just business and nothing personal if you go to another job for the betterment of you financially and your career.

Everyone

I left my previous employer after only 8 months for a 36% increase in base pay. With my bonuses (I did not get any bonuses at my previous employer), I've doubled my annual in come. I just hit 3 years with the company I work for now, and was recently promoted. I couldn't be happier.

N2IT

Just an update. I haven't heard a word yet so....... My decision was made easy.

Thanks again for all the great info.