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If you do the MSISA at WGU and then decide to go for the MSITM, can you skip courses?

NyblizzardNyblizzard Member Posts: 332 ■■■■□□□□□□
So there are 3 classes shared between the MSISA and MSITM degrees at WGU:

Risk Management
Current and Emerging Technology
Cyberlaw, Regulations, and Compliance


Now I am wondering what happens if you ever decide to do another Masters at WGU and have previously completed 3 of the courses from the previous curriculum.
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    nathandrakenathandrake Member Posts: 69 ■■■□□□□□□□
    Nyblizzard wrote: »
    So there are 3 classes shared between the MSISA and MSITM degrees at WGU:

    Risk Management
    Current and Emerging Technology
    Cyberlaw, Regulations, and Compliance


    Now I am wondering what happens if you ever decide to do another Masters at WGU and have previously completed 3 of the courses from the previous curriculum.

    I don't know the answer, but I would assume they would transfer over. It would be a good thing to know for sure. When I first enrolled for the MS program at WGU, I was in the MS Network Management (which I don't see on their website anymore). I switched after one term to the MSISA. If they transfer over, I would already have these classes done:
    Cyberlaw, Regulations, and Compliance
    Risk Management
    Current and Emerging Technology
    Technical Writing
    Disaster Recovery Planning, Prevention and Response

    I may look into this after I finish the MSISA program next term.
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    NyblizzardNyblizzard Member Posts: 332 ■■■■□□□□□□
    That's almost half the classes! Definitely interested in finding out as this would persuade me to eventually go for both
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    srabieesrabiee Member Posts: 1,231 ■■■■■■■■□□
    WGU doesn't allow you to obtain 2 masters degrees from the same school. You can, however, obtain a masters from the school of IT and a masters from the school of business. But not two masters from the school of IT.
    WGU Progress: Master of Science - Information Technology Management (Start Date: February 1, 2015)
    Completed: LYT2, TFT2, JIT2, MCT2, LZT2, SJT2 (17 CU's)
    Required: FXT2, MAT2, MBT2, C391, C392 (13 CU's)

    Bachelor of Science - Information Technology Network Design & Management (WGU - Completed August 2014)
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    aspiringsoulaspiringsoul Member Posts: 314
    srabiee wrote: »
    WGU doesn't allow you to obtain 2 masters degrees from the same school. You can, however, obtain a masters from the school of IT and a masters from the school of business. But not two masters from the school of IT.

    srabiee is correct. So you could go for an MBA: IT Management and the MS:ISA if you wanted...
    Education: MS-Information Security and Assurance from Western Governors University, BS-Business Information Systems from Indiana Wesleyan University, AAS-Computer Network Systems - ITT Tech,
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    WilliamK99WilliamK99 Member Posts: 278
    I have always been taught you get degrees from different universities, ie. Bachelors / Masters/ any other degree all from different schools. Even if allowed I would not reccomen d you do it as it won't help your resume at all.
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    aspiringsoulaspiringsoul Member Posts: 314
    WilliamK99 wrote: »
    I have always been taught you get degrees from different universities, ie. Bachelors / Masters/ any other degree all from different schools. Even if allowed I would not reccomen d you do it as it won't help your resume at all.

    That might be true for those who are considering a career in academia.

    Outside of Academia though, I doubt it matters...
    Education: MS-Information Security and Assurance from Western Governors University, BS-Business Information Systems from Indiana Wesleyan University, AAS-Computer Network Systems - ITT Tech,
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    cyberguyprcyberguypr Mod Posts: 6,928 Mod
    That "get degrees from different universities" myth has been debunked here many times over. As aspiringsoul said, other than academia and perhaps an idealist or two out there, essentially no one cares.
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    cshkurucshkuru Member Posts: 246 ■■■■□□□□□□
    According to the student handbook you should be able to do both the MSITM and MSISA

    The WGU policy on second degree matriculation dictates that:
    • Students wishing to matriculate into a WGU baccalaureate degree program, who already hold an associate or baccalaureate degree from a regionally, nationally or U.S. Department of Education recognized accredited institution, may only do so if the WGU degree will require a minimum of 30 CUs;
    • Students wishing to matriculate into a WGU master’s degree program who already hold a BA or BS degree from WGU may only do so if the WGU degree will require the completion of at least one domain of study in addition to any required clinical or capstone work;
    • Students wishing to matriculate into a WGU master’s degree program who already hold a WGU master’s degree or a master’s degree from a regionally, nationally or U.S. Department of Education recognized accredited institution may only do so if the WGU degree will require the completion of at least one domain of study in addition to any clinical or capstone work;
    • Students who completed a licensure degree program in teaching at WGU or a regionally accredited institution may not matriculate into an initial licensure baccalaureate, post-baccalaureate or MAT degree program (see also the policy on Licensure Requirements for Admission to the Teachers College, and note that students who have graduated from a WGU post-baccalaureate program may return to complete the corresponding MAT degree provided all degree content requirements are met for the current catalog program version at the time of enrollment);
    • Students may not complete two MBA, two MSN, two MAT, or two MED degree programs;
    • Students may not complete more than two graduate degrees from the same college;
    • Students may not complete both the BA and MS in Special Education; and
    • Students may not matriculate into two WGU programs simultaneously.
    So assuming that they actually read and follow the policies they have published (which has not always been my experience) you could conceivably complete the MSISA, MSITM, and MBA ITM
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    srabieesrabiee Member Posts: 1,231 ■■■■■■■■□□
    "Students may not complete two MBA, two MSN, two MAT, or two MED degree programs;
    Students may not complete more than two graduate degrees from the same college"


    Can't do it. It's written there plain as day.
    WGU Progress: Master of Science - Information Technology Management (Start Date: February 1, 2015)
    Completed: LYT2, TFT2, JIT2, MCT2, LZT2, SJT2 (17 CU's)
    Required: FXT2, MAT2, MBT2, C391, C392 (13 CU's)

    Bachelor of Science - Information Technology Network Design & Management (WGU - Completed August 2014)
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    cshkurucshkuru Member Posts: 246 ■■■■□□□□□□
    None of those apply. More than two graduate degrees from the same college and none of the degree types listed apply to the College of IT

    MAT = Masters of Teaching MED = Masters of Education MSN = Masters of Science Nursing MBA = Masters Business Administration. Not saying that WGU will let you do it but according to their rules it should be possible.
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    srabieesrabiee Member Posts: 1,231 ■■■■■■■■□□
    In that case you may be able to make a strong argument for it as it relates to the school of IT. I will call the continuing education department tomorrow and inquire about this.
    WGU Progress: Master of Science - Information Technology Management (Start Date: February 1, 2015)
    Completed: LYT2, TFT2, JIT2, MCT2, LZT2, SJT2 (17 CU's)
    Required: FXT2, MAT2, MBT2, C391, C392 (13 CU's)

    Bachelor of Science - Information Technology Network Design & Management (WGU - Completed August 2014)
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    cshkurucshkuru Member Posts: 246 ■■■■□□□□□□
    I'm sure they will tell you it is a mistake and change the handbook icon_smile.gif but right now there is a loophole. My secret plan is to do everything in the MSITM except the capstone then tell them I want to change to the MSISA so I get all the classes even if I do only get the one degree. Then I may or may not do the MBA.
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    cshkurucshkuru Member Posts: 246 ■■■■□□□□□□
    In case anyone is interested here is the overlap between the 3 IT Masters
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    srabieesrabiee Member Posts: 1,231 ■■■■■■■■□□
    Spoke to a WGU rep, they said as far as they understand, students are permitted to obtain both the MSISA and MSITM degrees. 4 classes overlap, so 10 CU's total would transfer over (33% of the degree program).
    WGU Progress: Master of Science - Information Technology Management (Start Date: February 1, 2015)
    Completed: LYT2, TFT2, JIT2, MCT2, LZT2, SJT2 (17 CU's)
    Required: FXT2, MAT2, MBT2, C391, C392 (13 CU's)

    Bachelor of Science - Information Technology Network Design & Management (WGU - Completed August 2014)
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    nathandrakenathandrake Member Posts: 69 ■■■□□□□□□□
    srabiee wrote: »
    Spoke to a WGU rep, they said as far as they understand, students are permitted to obtain both the MSISA and MSITM degrees. 4 classes overlap, so 10 CU's total would transfer over (33% of the degree program).

    That's good to know. I should finish the MSISA in Dec. I may take a few month break to finish up some certs and then enroll in the MSITM since I have about half of the courses done already from a first term program change and overlap of MSISA.
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    NyblizzardNyblizzard Member Posts: 332 ■■■■□□□□□□
    srabiee wrote: »
    Spoke to a WGU rep, they said as far as they understand, students are permitted to obtain both the MSISA and MSITM degrees. 4 classes overlap, so 10 CU's total would transfer over (33% of the degree program).

    This is great news! Thanks for asking as this should definitely influence what I do going forward.
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    DoyenDoyen Member Posts: 397 ■■■□□□□□□□
    srabiee wrote: »
    Spoke to a WGU rep, they said as far as they understand, students are permitted to obtain both the MSISA and MSITM degrees. 4 classes overlap, so 10 CU's total would transfer over (33% of the degree program).

    Thank you very much for verifying that this was possible! +rep
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    colemiccolemic Member Posts: 1,569 ■■■■■■■□□□
    srabiee wrote: »
    Spoke to a WGU rep, they said as far as they understand, students are permitted to obtain both the MSISA and MSITM degrees. 4 classes overlap, so 10 CU's total would transfer over (33% of the degree program).

    That must have changed. (And I would get that in writing!!!)

    I was specifically told I could NOT complete two degrees from the same school (MSISA and MSNM). I started the MSML from the Business School, and I love learning about leadership, but that specific program wasn't mature enough for me.
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    cshkurucshkuru Member Posts: 246 ■■■■□□□□□□
    colemic wrote: »
    That must have changed. (And I would get that in writing!!!)

    I was specifically told I could NOT complete two degrees from the same school (MSISA and MSNM). I started the MSML from the Business School, and I love learning about leadership, but that specific program wasn't mature enough for me.

    That is (the) one of the major complaints about WGU. Just about everyone seems satisfied once the are in their program but getting accurate consistent enrollment information is impossible. It varies from counselor to counselor.
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    N2ITN2IT Inactive Imported Users Posts: 7,483 ■■■■■■■■■■
    @ Colemic.

    I was told this as well, a year ago. I hope WGU doesn't turn into a degree mill.
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    aspiringsoulaspiringsoul Member Posts: 314
    I can confirm that is it possible to enroll in the MS:ITM program after completing the MS:ISA program.

    I spoke with an enrollment counselor earlier. At first, he said it's WGU's policy to not allow a student to enroll in two programs from the same college. He checked with his supervisor and (to his surprise), he confirmed that students are allowed to pursue the other degree track after completion of a program. Looks like the IT college is an exclusion to the rule that applies to the other colleges.

    It's similar to dual majoring at other Universities (going after two Masters at once)...but you're only allowed to pursue one program at a time with WGU.

    This looks like a pretty sweet deal since it would effectively eliminate 4 of the 10 required courses. I'm considering doing this when I complete the MS:ISA.
    Education: MS-Information Security and Assurance from Western Governors University, BS-Business Information Systems from Indiana Wesleyan University, AAS-Computer Network Systems - ITT Tech,
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    colemiccolemic Member Posts: 1,569 ■■■■■■■□□□
    Well THAT is just irritating. :/
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    srabieesrabiee Member Posts: 1,231 ■■■■■■■■□□
    I agree, the enrollment process and the involved headache is the worst part about WGU.
    WGU Progress: Master of Science - Information Technology Management (Start Date: February 1, 2015)
    Completed: LYT2, TFT2, JIT2, MCT2, LZT2, SJT2 (17 CU's)
    Required: FXT2, MAT2, MBT2, C391, C392 (13 CU's)

    Bachelor of Science - Information Technology Network Design & Management (WGU - Completed August 2014)
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    colemiccolemic Member Posts: 1,569 ■■■■■■■□□□
    Sucks for me, because by completing the first term of the MSML, I lost the advantage of leveraging classes I had already taken. (same number completed as I would have been able to 'transfer'
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    aspiringsoulaspiringsoul Member Posts: 314
    colemic wrote: »
    Sucks for me, because by completing the first term of the MSML, I lost the advantage of leveraging classes I had already taken. (same number completed as I would have been able to 'transfer'

    That's a shame Colemic, would you consider enrolling in the MS:ITM program at this point?
    Education: MS-Information Security and Assurance from Western Governors University, BS-Business Information Systems from Indiana Wesleyan University, AAS-Computer Network Systems - ITT Tech,
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    colemiccolemic Member Posts: 1,569 ■■■■■■■□□□
    I'll definitely give it some thought.

    So it looks like I would have 3 classes done for MSITM, 2 classes for MBA ITM.
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    wgu-social-mediawgu-social-media Registered Users Posts: 1 ■□□□□□□□□□
    Sorry for the delayed response, but we wanted to triple-check the various components of this question against the relevant policies and departments to make sure that we get you the right answer. Yes, a graduate of the MSISA program can enroll in the MSITM program, as long as these are the first and only two IT master's degrees you've earned from WGU. Our policy prevents a graduate from earning more than two graduate degrees from the same college, and there must be substantial difference in the domains of study between the two programs. When enrolling in the MSITM program, a returning graduate would have a transcript review in which our transcripts team would look at the courses you completed in the MSISA program, ensuring that the version of the course you completed was recent enough that it covers the competencies required in the current version of MSITM program. Completed courses that are deemed to overlap with course requirements in the new program would be waived.
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    colemiccolemic Member Posts: 1,569 ■■■■■■■□□□
    Thanks for responding! Hope you guys hang out here more, there is a substantial WGU presence here.

    If I am understanding you correctly, I may be further along than I thought, since it sounds like it doesn't have to be a one-for one, explicit matchup on the course names.
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    srabieesrabiee Member Posts: 1,231 ■■■■■■■■□□
    I agree, it's good to see WGU faculty on these forums. icon_thumright.gif
    WGU Progress: Master of Science - Information Technology Management (Start Date: February 1, 2015)
    Completed: LYT2, TFT2, JIT2, MCT2, LZT2, SJT2 (17 CU's)
    Required: FXT2, MAT2, MBT2, C391, C392 (13 CU's)

    Bachelor of Science - Information Technology Network Design & Management (WGU - Completed August 2014)
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    NyblizzardNyblizzard Member Posts: 332 ■■■■□□□□□□
    Awesome to get an official response!
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