Business and IT coming together?
DatabaseHead
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Lately I have been looking at some positions, just for fun. And I have noticed in my environment quite a few jobs that have a lot of crossover.
Financial positions with programming for instance or change management jobs with a very technical component to it, such as SQL and R etc. Management jobs that REQUIRE heavy data skills in HR.
Is this just a shift into the "new age" positions that are developing or maybe I just missed the memo?
I read an article a few weeks back that basically said the days of the management manager are numbered and working managers are going to be required. Interesting......
Financial positions with programming for instance or change management jobs with a very technical component to it, such as SQL and R etc. Management jobs that REQUIRE heavy data skills in HR.
Is this just a shift into the "new age" positions that are developing or maybe I just missed the memo?
I read an article a few weeks back that basically said the days of the management manager are numbered and working managers are going to be required. Interesting......
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DatabaseHead
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What about the concept that pure managerial managers phasing out to a certain degree and working managers being in more demand?
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Remedymp
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DatabaseHead wrote: »What about the concept that pure managerial managers phasing out to a certain degree and working managers being in more demand?
People are being asked to do more. I think that is the direction of the market. No more paper pushers. -
paul78
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Just my 2 cents but this doesn't seem particularly novel or innovative - every job that I've ever had in the past 30 years have included a business component, in some cases it was a bigger percentage of the role.
As for pure managerial managers being phased out - not really sure what that means. -
TrailRunr
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As for pure managerial managers being phased out - not really sure what that means.
Pure managerial managers with weak technical skills/experience are a dime a dozen. I still see them doing well after rising through the IT project management ranks, so the survival of a purely managerial manager depends on staying with the same company and doing well with office politics. -
DatabaseHead
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Pure managerial managers with weak technical skills/experience are a dime a dozen. I still see them doing well after rising through the IT project management ranks, so the survival of a purely managerial manager depends on staying with the same company and doing well with office politics.
Thanks for breaking that down for easy consumption. I thought it was clear, but I suppose not..... -
paul78
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Still seems anecdotal to me... Perhaps if you can share a link to the article, we can look at it. I've read similar pundits in the past, usually I would scoff at the premise as they are written by management consultants who have never worked in technology or technology futurist that have never been in senior management at a large tech enterprise.DatabaseHead wrote: »I thought it was clear, but I suppose not..... -
aderon
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It's called Biz Engineering or Biz Intelligence.
We've got one of those departments where I work and they have backgrounds in mathematics, business, data science/analysis, and programming. Lots of statistical calculating and graphing using specialized programming languages like R to understand business trends and whatnot. Seems like pretty cool stuff imo. I think it's part of the whole "big data" buzzword/shift that everyone keeps talking about.2019 Certification/Degree Goals: AWS CSA Renewal (In Progress), M.S. Cybersecurity (In Progress), CCNA R&S Renewal (Not Started) -
Remedymp
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We've got one of those departments where I work and they have backgrounds in mathematics, business, data science/analysis, and programming. Lots of statistical calculating and graphing using specialized programming languages like R to understand business trends and whatnot. Seems like pretty cool stuff imo. I think it's part of the whole "big data" buzzword/shift that everyone keeps talking about.
They're basically Skilled managers and are very useful. The days of paper pushing managers are over. -
DatabaseHead
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It's comical watching these dinosaurs flail around while loading up their team with all the work.... What I noticed from my own perspective is the employees get fed up with the silly expectations from a manager who has 0 ability to deliver and 0 ability to scope work effort. Superstars on the team end up leaving for stronger teams with better functional management (ability) and even the middle tiered folks (most of us) end up leaving as well and the team is left with weak performers.They're basically Skilled managers and are very useful. The days of paper pushing managers are over.
One of my core requirements is working with a manager who knows their stuff in the domain their are managing. They don't have to be the best (but it certainly doesn't hurt).
This model is about as lazy as you can get. There is hope, the last two large companies I have worked for started to phase out these paper pushers. High salaried bloated managers with little ability to deliver.
Just to be clear this isn't just for supply chain, finance, IT etc..... I am noticing a shift in general, expecting management to have more than just the ability to manage and even lead. (Clearly core requirements but to be good or great you need more than that).
They have to be able understand the technology, data etc.....
