Starting an MBA.

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  • DatabaseHeadDatabaseHead CSM, ITIL x3, Teradata Assc, MS SQL Server, Project +, Server +, A+, N+, MS Project, CAPM, RMP Posts: 2,475Member ■■■■■■■■■□
    I started it in the Fall of 2002 and the job market was more than tight, especially for newbies to IT, like me. I started the MBA program to set me off from others.

    I've found the MBA to be more beneficial for youngster coming out of school. Most job req's will waive experience if you have a masters degree. We have a lot of hot shot consultants coming into our environment via on premise contracting efforts and they are seriously educated. Most if not all of the contractors in their 20's have MBA's from top 25 schools. The folks in their 30's and 40's seem to be less educated on paper.

    While I was purely in IT, this didn't matter as much, experience was king and of course certifications...... From my perspective in the US, MBA's generally help folks in business verticals and/or hybrid verticals. Folks in pure IT roles don't benefit from the MBA as much.....
  • NavyMooseCCNANavyMooseCCNA CCNA R&S, ITIL, Security+ ZZ9ZZAPosts: 543Member ■■■■□□□□□□
    I've found the MBA to be more beneficial for youngster coming out of school. Most job req's will waive experience if you have a masters degree. We have a lot of hot shot consultants coming into our environment via on premise contracting efforts and they are seriously educated. Most if not all of the contractors in their 20's have MBA's from top 25 schools. The folks in their 30's and 40's seem to be less educated on paper.

    While I was purely in IT, this didn't matter as much, experience was king and of course certifications...... From my perspective in the US, MBA's generally help folks in business verticals and/or hybrid verticals. Folks in pure IT roles don't benefit from the MBA as much.....
    I had no plan, other than to get a job. I had been out of work for almost nine months and I was running out of ADT (Active Duty Training) days from my command. I can't think of one instance where having an MBA helped me get a job or helped me on the job. My CO from back then encouraged me to start the program because it would make me noticed by employers. The next job after this I found out from a CDR in my command who liked my work ethic and knowledge...

    'My dear you are ugly, but tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be ugly' Winston Churchil

  • UnixGuyUnixGuy SABSA, GCFA, GPEN, CISM, RHCE, Security+, Server+, eJPT, CCNA Posts: 4,032Mod Mod
    I started it in the Fall of 2002 and the job market was more than tight, especially for newbies to IT, like me. I started the MBA program to set me off from others.

    It doesn't help in getting an IT job, quite the opposite, it might work against you. It sure can help you get a consulting job though. Good MBAs have on campus recruitment, did you try that?
    Goal: MBA, August 2020
  • supafish9supafish9 ■■□□□□□□□□ Posts: 34Member ■■□□□□□□□□
    Why do you feel an MBA would hurt someone in the IT field? Assuming you're taking an Executive or Professional program, this is studying and networking during your off-hours and trying to better yourself.
  • TechGuru80TechGuru80 ■■■■■□□□□□ Posts: 1,539Member ■■■■■□□□□□
    supafish9 wrote: »
    Why do you feel an MBA would hurt someone in the IT field? Assuming you're taking an Executive or Professional program, this is studying and networking during your off-hours and trying to better yourself.
    There sometimes is a misconception about Masters degrees and being overqualified. The reason why this doesn't really apply to an MBA is because the focus is on non-technical areas like managing cost, account, etc...where with technical Masters, there are people who graduate and can oversell themselves past entry jobs but can't get past or even into an intermediate job.

    When people ask me I generally give the following advice:
    -Non-related undergrad, can go for a Masters in a technical area or MBA, but try to get a job prior to completion if you can.
    -Business undergrad, you could get an MBA (although it's not going to have as much of an impact)...or you can go for a technical degree...but again try to get a job prior to completion.
    -Technical undergrad, an MBA will make you well rounded and give you business terminology but you should have some experience going into a program.

    I personally have a business undergrad with sales experience, then went and got a technical masters degree. I didn't really see any issues getting into a security job (had 1 internship)...however regular IT type jobs almost never called.
  • UnixGuyUnixGuy SABSA, GCFA, GPEN, CISM, RHCE, Security+, Server+, eJPT, CCNA Posts: 4,032Mod Mod
    supafish9 wrote: »
    Why do you feel an MBA would hurt someone in the IT field? Assuming you're taking an Executive or Professional program, this is studying and networking during your off-hours and trying to better yourself.

    What TechGuru said is true

    I'll also add, because it's an expensive degree, so you're losing money & time. The networking in the MBA that you do won't help you in IT jobs, most students aren't in IT and those who are in IT usually want to change careers or move up. It's not the best investment if your goal is to be a network engineer, or a senior network engineer, for example.

    Executive programs (from good schools) are only open for people who are already directors/executives, so it's not for professionals.
    Goal: MBA, August 2020
  • NavyMooseCCNANavyMooseCCNA CCNA R&S, ITIL, Security+ ZZ9ZZAPosts: 543Member ■■■■□□□□□□
    UnixGuy wrote: »
    It doesn't help in getting an IT job, quite the opposite, it might work against you. It sure can help you get a consulting job though. Good MBAs have on campus recruitment, did you try that?
    Nothing like that existed. I was at one of those for profit schools that actually had on ground classes. I went to this school because it was military friendly and more than a few people I knew were getting their degrees there.

    'My dear you are ugly, but tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be ugly' Winston Churchil

  • DatabaseHeadDatabaseHead CSM, ITIL x3, Teradata Assc, MS SQL Server, Project +, Server +, A+, N+, MS Project, CAPM, RMP Posts: 2,475Member ■■■■■■■■■□
    UnixGuy wrote: »
    What TechGuru said is true

    I'll also add, because it's an expensive degree, so you're losing money & time. The networking in the MBA that you do won't help you in IT jobs, most students aren't in IT and those who are in IT usually want to change careers or move up. It's not the best investment if your goal is to be a network engineer, or a senior network engineer, for example.

    Executive programs (from good schools) are only open for people who are already directors/executives, so it's not for professionals.

    As far as I am concerned this is a scientific law.
  • UnixGuyUnixGuy SABSA, GCFA, GPEN, CISM, RHCE, Security+, Server+, eJPT, CCNA Posts: 4,032Mod Mod
    Nothing like that existed. I was at one of those for profit schools that actually had on ground classes. ..

    I think that's why you hear people advise against those schools for MBA. They can be good for some technical degrees, or MAYBE in the special case scenario where you are already in a higher up management position AND the employer is paying for it. Otherwise, I don't personally recommend an MBA from a for profit school.
    Goal: MBA, August 2020
  • UnixGuyUnixGuy SABSA, GCFA, GPEN, CISM, RHCE, Security+, Server+, eJPT, CCNA Posts: 4,032Mod Mod
    This is a wrap for 2018 - my most productive year ever in all fronts.

    I started this term with two subjects but then dropped to one. This will be strategy moving forward - One subject per term (at least for core subjects and until I figure work out). This mean I won't finish in two years but in 3-4 yrs. No rush really

    I enjoyed doing one subject...the pressure was nearly non existent. I did really well in my final exam and group assignment, and learned a lot in the process. 

    In January I'm starting another subject. It's going well!
    Goal: MBA, August 2020
  • TheFORCETheFORCE Senior Member Posts: 2,297Member ■■■■■■■■□□
    @UnixGuy congratulations man! I've always said it here on my previous posts if you want to get into management go do an MBA not a masters. 
  • UnixGuyUnixGuy SABSA, GCFA, GPEN, CISM, RHCE, Security+, Server+, eJPT, CCNA Posts: 4,032Mod Mod
    Two more subjects down this term. I did better than my usual.

    Wanted to post here to remind myself to hang in there. I decided to quit SO many times for various reasons, I even took a term off, but yesterday during a final exam of a subject that's supposed to be a fluffy subject, I realised how much I learned. Analysing the corporate strategy of a firm and proposing a whole new plan..I wouldn't know where to begin have I not been involved in the program.

    It's hard to stay motivated because the ROI isn't super clear. It's one of those things where you make a big investment and hope for the best.

    It's a long and hard journey, and I'm halfway through....got to be patient.
    Goal: MBA, August 2020
  • UnixGuyUnixGuy SABSA, GCFA, GPEN, CISM, RHCE, Security+, Server+, eJPT, CCNA Posts: 4,032Mod Mod
    Two more subjects down. I did 2 x intensive subjects. Each subjects is 10 weeks long worth of content squeezed in 5 weeks. It was  a breeze this time.

    Happy to say I know a lot more about marketing and product management now. I can also say that I understand design thinking a lot better.

    Looking forward two more subjects (maybe 3, haven't decided yet) next term before end of year break
    Goal: MBA, August 2020
  • Infosec_SamInfosec_Sam Security+, CCENT, ITIL Foundation, A+ Madison, WIPosts: 360Admin Admin
    Hey, congratulations! 6 more months until your expected graduation - are you still on track to hit it?
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  • UnixGuyUnixGuy SABSA, GCFA, GPEN, CISM, RHCE, Security+, Server+, eJPT, CCNA Posts: 4,032Mod Mod
    Hey, congratulations! 6 more months until your expected graduation - are you still on track to hit it?
    No i think I miscalculated in my signature, it's more like 10 months :)
    Goal: MBA, August 2020
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