IT Manager Leaving a Small Company Gracefully
sensitivestoic
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Long story short the current company I work for is putting me in tough situations. They are pushing boundaries that are ethically questionable and not in line with my own personal values. I've been meaning to make a graceful exit for some time. However, as the main IT administrator for this company I fear my boss will pursue me and try to force IT work or consultation that is not compensated after my departure. Are there legal forms or paperwork that I can use to have my boss sign off that everything was to the best of ability passed on to a successor? How can I ensure my boss won't take legal action due to their own ineptitude/mismanagement?
I say this as one who observed the boss do the same to a previous colleague who should not have been liable. What are the best ways to protect myself? Thanks for any thoughts.
I say this as one who observed the boss do the same to a previous colleague who should not have been liable. What are the best ways to protect myself? Thanks for any thoughts.
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shochan Member Posts: 1,014 ■■■■■■■■□□Definitely find another job first...give your 2wks and get outta there. Doubtful they can take legal action, unless YOU have done something illegally.CompTIA A+, Network+, i-Net+, MCP 70-210, CNA v5, Server+, Security+, Cloud+, CySA+, ISC² CC, ISC² SSCP
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DZA_ Member Posts: 467 ■■■■■■■□□□First off, take care of yourself and make sure that you have all prerequisites in finding your next job. This would be your number one priority and then provide your regular notice. If your manager is trying to push work outside of your departure, I would decline and inform the manager that you're not legally obligated to complete any of the work. By leaving, you are terminating your engagement with the company, end of story. I am not sure the legality of paperwork in the US although personally I can't see they forcing any more work onto you after you leave.Judging that it's a small company is that they most likely don't have any formalities for people leaving or signing off. Be sure to cover all your bases and make your exit.Cheers and good luck.
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paul78 Member Posts: 3,016 ■■■■■■■■■■@sensitivestoic - you indicated that you are in Illinois. Illinois is an at-will employment state. That means that either employee or employer can terminate employment without notice. Do you have any kind of employment contract or are you a contractor with a services agreement? Generally speaking, you shouldn't expect any further obligation to a former employer other than traditional non-disclosure, non-solicit, and non-disparate obligations.
sensitivestoic said:
If you are a full-time employee, there's really no need for this. Consultants with their own business normally would bake this into the consulting agreement. And there are typically liability caps in their consulting agreements, plus pre-agreed delivery criteria.Are there legal forms or paperwork that I can use to have my boss sign off that everything was to the best of ability passed on to a successor? How can I ensure my boss won't take legal action due to their own ineptitude/mismanagement?sensitivestoic I say this as one who observed the boss do the same to a previous colleague who should not have been liable. What are the best ways to protect myself? Thanks for any thoughts.
If you are able to cite the example, that would be helpful. But it is generally not possible for an employer to hold an employee liable for poor performance unless the employee committed fraud or breaks the law. The exception is usually some sort of claw-back provision in an employment contract. But that's typically seen in executive compensation agreements or sales people who have commission clawback provisions in their compensation agreements. -
Jon_Cisco Member Posts: 1,772 ■■■■■■■■□□Deal with one thing at a time. Find a job and leave. Stressing over making a bad boss happy is never productive.Good Luck!
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cyberguypr Mod Posts: 6,928 ModWhat? Is this your first job? You quit, you owe no one nothing. Please dont overthink this.
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JDMurray Admin Posts: 13,101 AdminDo you believe that your employer would have a reason to file civil or criminal charges against you? How unethical are the people/practices at this place?
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sensitivestoic Member Posts: 77 ■■■□□□□□□□DZA_ said:First off, take care of yourself and make sure that you have all prerequisites in finding your next job. This would be your number one priority and then provide your regular notice. If your manager is trying to push work outside of your departure, I would decline and inform the manager that you're not legally obligated to complete any of the work. By leaving, you are terminating your engagement with the company, end of story. I am not sure the legality of paperwork in the US although personally I can't see they forcing any more work onto you after you leave.Judging that it's a small company is that they most likely don't have any formalities for people leaving or signing off. Be sure to cover all your bases and make your exit.Cheers and good luck.
With my past co-worker the boss claimed that the worker failed to hand over credentials for a company website. The boss immediately suggested that the worker was holding the site ransom in order to extort the company for additional money. The reality is that the co-worker handed over everything that he could think of within his notification. However, because other executives have a lack of technical aptitude many areas of documentation or transfer are lost due to lack of protocol. The boss then in less than a couple days is triggered and threatening to pull legal action against my past colleague who was feeling pressured to perform extended website maintenance without compensation. All this to say: are there official HR forms or paperwork that is usually signed between executive and technical directories to acknowledge that both parties worked to complete hand off procedures for company credentials/data? My intent is to avoid the fiasco that is currently plaguing past colleagues post-departure.
Thank you for the advice everyone.
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DZA_ Member Posts: 467 ■■■■■■■□□□The other folks can chime on my thoughts:If you have established a good rapport with your supervisors and managers then you should have no reason to think that they're going to bad mouth you unless you've done either malicious, something pretty crappy or give them short of a 2 week notice. Is there one person who is your not your supervisor/manager but a senior member of the company that can provide you a reference?Is there an HR individual in your company? A company that size should have a designated HR contact at least.One thing came to mind is that perhaps since its a small company, you could write your own exit checklist i.e. all credentials passed over, documentation is provided for x y z, etc and sign off with your boss. That way it's an agreement from you and your employer, if any were to turn south, you have leverage as your binding contract. Obviously you want to make it as tight as possible because you don't want to find holes in your contract and then they start making you work for free. I am also going to go with that they don't even have an exit interview either.
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sensitivestoic Member Posts: 77 ■■■□□□□□□□DZA_ said:The other folks can chime on my thoughts:If you have established a good rapport with your supervisors and managers then you should have no reason to think that they're going to bad mouth you unless you've done either malicious, something pretty crappy or give them short of a 2 week notice. Is there one person who is your not your supervisor/manager but a senior member of the company that can provide you a reference?Is there an HR individual in your company? A company that size should have a designated HR contact at least.One thing came to mind is that perhaps since its a small company, you could write your own exit checklist i.e. all credentials passed over, documentation is provided for x y z, etc and sign off with your boss. That way it's an agreement from you and your employer, if any were to turn south, you have leverage as your binding contract. Obviously you want to make it as tight as possible because you don't want to find holes in your contract and then they start making you work for free. I am also going to go with that they don't even have an exit interview either.
It doesn't seem like there is any standardized legal document for this process though? My lack of formal experience with HR is self-evident.
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paul78 Member Posts: 3,016 ■■■■■■■■■■sensitivestoic said:It doesn't seem like there is any standardized legal document for this process though? My lack of formal experience with HR is self-evident.It's still not clear to me if you are actually an employee or consultant/contractor? You mentioned that you have signed Agreements with your employer which you have not violated. Do you have an employment agreement? A consulting agreement? Or is it just the normal run-of-the-mill non-disclosure and aup agreements that many companies use.Either way - to answer your specific question - yes - it's common to have a separation agreement which employers may ask a departing employee to sign. I have NEVER EVER signed one unless there was a quid-pro-quo attached. There's really no value to a departing employee to sign such an agreement.It's rare that an employee would seek a legal agreement from an employer upon separation. And frankly, I wouldn't waste my time since that's normally something that would have been discussed prior to employment. What you ought to do instead is to document the status of your work and hand-over any credentials that you have - with the reminder that they should change those credentials after you depart.As for your employer as a reference - why the heck would you want or care about their reference? The owner sounds untrust-worthy and volatile. Absolutely, do no use them as a reference. You indicated that you were working with clients - so presumably you have built some relationships with those customers. A reference from a client is worth a heck of a lot more.Your description of how the owner treated your former co-worker is cringe-worthy. There's nothing I find more tasteless and disgusting as businesses that threaten employees with baseless and meaningless threats. That's just low-class and it just shows that the owner is weak and operates from the position of fear. Dealing with someone like that can seem scary but baseless threats shouldn't deter you from getting the heck out of there as soon as possible. Personally, I wouldn't even bother sticky around for a bonus if the owner is as you described. Start a job search now if you haven't already.Good luck. I hope you hear in the future about your new job.
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COBOL_DOS_ERA Member Posts: 205 ■■■■■□□□□□Start looking for a new job, that's a very unhealthy work environment.CISM, CRISC, CGEIT, PMP, PMI-ACP, SEC+, ITIL V3, A-CSM. And Many More.
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cyberguypr Mod Posts: 6,928 ModAs I said before, you are overthinking this. Smaller companies like this usually use scare tactics to take advantage of people like you who do not know better. This sounds like a textbook description of the company that will hit you hard with the guilt trip because you are leaving. They will start gently asking you to reconsider and quickly move on to hostility or perhaps saying "you are terminated right now". It wil not be fun no matter what because they make it personal.
As said above, look for something else ASAP, put everything in writing, depart, never look back. Previous employers do not determine your fate. -
sensitivestoic Member Posts: 77 ■■■□□□□□□□paul78 said:sensitivestoic said:It doesn't seem like there is any standardized legal document for this process though? My lack of formal experience with HR is self-evident.It's still not clear to me if you are actually an employee or consultant/contractor? You mentioned that you have signed Agreements with your employer which you have not violated. Do you have an employment agreement? A consulting agreement? Or is it just the normal run-of-the-mill non-disclosure and aup agreements that many companies use.
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paul78 Member Posts: 3,016 ■■■■■■■■■■cyberguypr said:.... Smaller companies like this usually use scare tactics to take advantage of people like you who do not know better.sensitivestoic said:... Believe me I've been pivoting to get out of here at the next reasonable opportunity. It's just a shame because some of the projects I accomplished were a great boon to both my clients and career. ...Why is that a shame? If you were instrumental to a project and you delivered value to your customers - that's a feather in your career.I hope that when you say "next reasonable opportunity" - you are referring to getting a job offer. And not waiting for a project to conclude or some perceived slow cycle in the company. Since you are an employee in a state that follows at-will doctrine, you ought to leave when you get a job offer. I hope you are actively interviewing.