BSCI tommorow {update: PASSED 977}

That's a pretty nice score, congratulations! Good luck with the ol' switching studies.

mikearama wrote:

Whatever! You guys can all keep on playing the game, however, if it looks like a cheater, and smells like a cheater... hell, you're all good at math.

If you were to describe someone who dumped their way through the BSCI, what would their results looks like?

An almost perfect score on the toughest NP exam, with ample time to spare.

Honestly, there's no particular reason, other than paranoia or spite, that would cause that kind of reaction. There are plenty of experienced Cisco gurus on this forum that have read lildeezul's posts, have seen his progress, that don't think he cheated. Whether he did or not isn't my concern here, but jumping to the conclusion that he did because he got a good score? That's a little bit too much like 'big brother' for me.

mikearama wrote:

lildeezul wrote:

The questions required some thinking.

Absolutely correct... but as anyone who took the BSCI knows, with 33 minutes left over, there was no thinking required at all.

Again, the assumption that there was cheating involved is here, but there's really no need to get into slandering attacks. You feel like he cheated, then say that, but this start down the slippery-slope of name-calling without any real proof or cause does no one any good.

mikearama wrote:

lildeezul wrote:

the Cisco BSCI authorized self study guide is a well written book.

It IS a well written book... however, it wasn't great, and didn't cover every topic per the exam. Plenty of people, myself included, used far more resources to study for this test to cover the detail required, but didn't get a 977, or have more than a half hour left.

I can tell you that there are some people who "just get it", some people who need extra help, and others that never cross the finish line. lildeezul mentioned he'd spent over 5 hours per day studying, which would infer that he probably used other resources, (he never said explicitly that he didn't), as well as hands-on practice, which really is the key to passing all these exams. If you feel slighted because someone else can read one book and pass a test with a better score, go talk to my old boss who used to read a CCNP in a few days, then go take the tests. He'd been working as a network engineer for seven years and knew most of the material inside and out before ever picking up a book.

MrD passed his CCIE lab on the first attempt, that's a pretty rare thing, especially for someone that's not a 10+ year veteran of networking and telecom. Are you going to assume he cheated as well, just because someone like Mike didn't pass on his first attempt?

mikearama wrote:

I have nothing against deezul... I just truly hate the game. No one has balls here. Why not just fess up and be done!

Instead, we'll all solidy the psychology that cheating is not only an acceptable method of passing, but that it results in a collective "turning a blind eye", followed by a pat on the back.

"Play" you deezul? No, it's you doing the playing.

Honestly, I can't escape the feeling that it sounds like spite. You think it's "too good to be true", but your examples illustrate only that you feel like he should have gotten a lower score than you and shouldn't have such a light attitude towards the sims and questions. If having half an hour left on the clock and feeling like an exam was easy when you hit the submit button, then I should probably turn myself in to both Microsoft and CompTIA, because I've had two exams from each vendor where I was in the exact same boat. The exams were challenging, but I moved through the questions pretty quickly and I got good scores.

I can't tell you if lildeezul, or anyone else for that matter, cheats on his exams or not. What I can't do, however, is jump to conclusions without some modicum of reasonable doubt or proof. If we decide to judge people for "being too good", then I should just stop going to school altogether. I usually get A's, I spend half the amount of time on my homework than most people do, and I coast through a lot of classes that aren't as intensive as, say, quantum mechanics or differential equations. Half the people I associate with are the same way, they enjoy what they do and they find it easy to study/work because they put in the time that's needed. . . however much or little that may be.

Woah. i just got on, and mikearama accuses me of cheating.. ???

Im going to tell you flat out that i work very hard studying and mocking up labs for my studies.. I dont know if you read or not, but i do study 5-6 hrs a day due to me having free time. I also have a 4.5 grade point average. I have a oustanding learning ability. Ask my peers. I can read stuff and do it and i can remember it. I dont know why you accuse me of it, but i am not found of your accusation. Especially clogging up the boards, if you have a problem PM me, dont disgust the forum with your nonsense. I am very interested in Cisco material, i love studying and implementing my own studies and variety of labs to better enhance my focus and labs.

anyways to get back to wat i was going to orignally post.

Congrats on your success! cdad

also i am reading the first 3 chapters of the BCMSN authorized study guide and it seems kinda repitive to the CCNA, does anyone else feel the same way. I know probably later in the BCMSN it will get tough as nails, but im glad its kinda easy right now . (well kinda i like a challenge to)

also.. I forgot to mention earlier, if anyone watched the CBT BSCI, did you all love the part when jeremy was like TOTALLY STUBBY AREA, maybe its a NOT SO TOTALLY STUBBY AREA>
haha jeremy is a clown.. very funny

Congrats cdad200!

To mikearama, I have also finished all of my Cisco exams with 30 mins or more remaining and have scored well over 900 on all but one (damn ISCW!) so I know for a fact that it can be done with out cheating. You can go ahead and call me a cheater also if you want.

Some people are just great test takers. I myself am one and can usually pass a test that I know very little about just by reading the questions and answers (pass not ace). Not everyone's brain works the same and you should realize that.

As for the BSCI being the hardest CCNP exam, that is all relative to the person. I actually felt BCMSN was the hardest so far, and with only ONT left I think my opinion will remain about the hardest CCNP exam.

lildeezul,

I usually skip the first chapter or two of the Cisco press books as its usually the same crap I've read a million times about SONA and blah blah.... Trust me you will get into some better topics and a lot that was not covered in the CCNA. Good luck on the rest of your exams.

networker050184 wrote:

Congrats cdad200!

lildeezul,

I usually skip the first chapter or two of the Cisco press books as its usually the same crap I've read a million times about SONA and blah blah....

AHHH. i am glad someone feels the same about SONA and IIN... dont get me wrong i very much believe the usage of integrated applications that take in account and takes advantage of the networking services and infrastructure, but it just seems boring to me.

Is this what in the DESIGN certifications track ?

mikearama

@ Slowhand... of course it's spite. I, like the vast majority of my fellow test takers, work damn hard (aka, 5-6 hours a day) at prepping for our exams. So when someone strolls in here and gets 2 questions wrong on the BSCI??? Are you kidding me? You defend that? "Some people just GET it"???? Keep playing the game.

We all play lip service to preserving the value of our certifications, but that's all it is.

I will blanketly express my opinion (since I'm allowed to do so): No one can sit the BSCI for the FIRST time, get two wrong, and finish with more than a half hour left, who hasn't been more prepared for the exam than possible via CiscoPress! Period, end of story.

Anyone who argues otherwise, IMO, is playing.

you seem to think that cisco press was my only valuable study material.. I have view the CBTnuggets, and TS. luckily my dads boss just renewed his ccnp, and i have more resources to go in hand with my studying.

Your right, its your opinion, but i know im legit... i dont care what you think or say, i work hard for mine..

its fustrating that when you work hard to get something, someone has to put you down. that gets to me..

idc ima do me, and keep on chuggin.!

dynamik

mikearama wrote:

I will blanketly express my opinion (since I'm allowed to do so): No one can sit the BSCI for the FIRST time, get two wrong, and finish with more than a half hour left, who hasn't been more prepared for the exam than possible via CiscoPress! Period, end of story.

Sounds like a challenge

Hopefully I'll wrap up my CCNA this month and will be on to BSCI in 2-3 months. We'll see how it goes...

mikearama wrote:

@ Slowhand... of course it's spite. I, like the vast majority of my fellow test takers, work damn hard (aka, 5-6 hours a day) at prepping for our exams. So when someone strolls in here and gets 2 questions wrong on the BSCI??? Are you kidding me? You defend that? "Some people just GET it"???? Keep playing the game.

We all play lip service to preserving the value of our certifications, but that's all it is.

I will blanketly express my opinion (since I'm allowed to do so): No one can sit the BSCI for the FIRST time, get two wrong, and finish with more than a half hour left, who hasn't been more prepared for the exam than possible via CiscoPress! Period, end of story.

Anyone who argues otherwise, IMO, is playing.

Again, I did the same are you going to call me a cheater as well? I know quite a few people who could probably ace the BSCI with more time than that remaining. Some people do just get it even if you do not.

You are entitled to your opinion yes, but to make accusations with no proof is pretty damn rude.

mikearama wrote:

@ Slowhand... of course it's spite. I, like the vast majority of my fellow test takers, work damn hard (aka, 5-6 hours a day) at prepping for our exams. So when someone strolls in here and gets 2 questions wrong on the BSCI??? Are you kidding me? You defend that? "Some people just GET it"???? Keep playing the game.

And obviously, there are those that just don't get it. If you're that easily bruised by others who do better than you, and can only justify their scores as "cheating" because they're better at it than you, then you probably should consider a career change. This business is competitive, and it's not going to get any easier. Whining about it will definitely not earn you any respect or brownie points.

mikearama wrote:

I will blanketly express my opinion (since I'm allowed to do so): No one can sit the BSCI for the FIRST time, get two wrong, and finish with more than a half hour left, who hasn't been more prepared for the exam than possible via CiscoPress! Period, end of story.

Anyone who argues otherwise, IMO, is playing.

Honestly, it sounds like you're not so much expressing your opinion and more like you're reveling in drama and fighting. You want to think people who are smarter than you ****, fine. But don't expect to throw temper-tantrums and make blanket-statements as fact in order to cause drama and have people blindly agree with you. Notice, you're the only one so far that seems to think there's cheating going on. Like the man once said, "methinks the lady doth protest too much."

GT-Rob

I'm going to have to partially agree with Mike here. Not calling the OP a cheater, but I think this board under estimates the amount fo cheating that goes on.

To those of you getting 950+ in under an hour on your CCNP exams, I suggest you book your CCIE lab as you are obviously ready for it. You should be able to prep for it within about a month or two at most.

There is zero sarcasim here btw

dynamik

I don't think we underestimate the amount of cheating that goes on, nor do we lack balls (as Mike so eloquently put it). There are constantly posts about someone inadvertently using a **** resource or outright bragging about passing with a ****, and I've seen nearly everyone who has offered congratulations in this post come down hard on those people. Like Networker, I think it's a bit ridiculous to make these types of accusations towards a regular member who has clearly been putting the time in with no evidence other than the fact that he did well.

Edit: Wow, this is my third post in this thread, and I still haven't offered you my congratulations, so, um, congrats!

GT-Rob wrote:

I'm going to have to partially agree with Mike here. Not calling the OP a cheater, but I think this board under estimates the amount fo cheating that goes on.

To those of you getting 950+ in under an hour on your CCNP exams, I suggest you book your CCIE lab as you are obviously ready for it. You should be able to prep for it within about a month or two at most.

There is zero sarcasim here btw

I agree that there is a lot of cheating going on. That is obvious by the amount of **** material out there. Supply to meet the demand. Anyone who has been in this industry for a while has probably met quite a few people who openly **** and do not think it is a bad thing.

Not accusing everyone with a high score of cheating is not under estimating the issue IMO.

As far as being able to pass the lab just because you scored high with time remaining that is assuming too much just like assuming someone is cheating.

Everyone has their own opinion, but calling people out with no proof of anything is just ignorant if you ask me.

You know what they say "when you assume things you make an @ss out of you and me... don't make an @ss out of me!"

Mrock4

I finished my CCNA with a healthy 30 minutes to go, and the recent BSCI failure (attempt #1) with 33 minutes also. Granted I failed, but I guarantee you when I pass it may even be faster..although I won't have a near perfect score either. Point is, some people test fast- I am one of them.

Innocent until proven guilty..isn't that how it's supposed to work? I understand the cause for suspiciousness, but c'mon. There's no good that will come out of this debate.

jamesp1983

Also, doesn't Cisco investigate aberrant testing behavior? This makes me think that if he cheated from **** that he would most likely be caught.

wat08

Slowhand wrote:

Like the man once said, "methinks the lady doth protest too much."

Whenever Shakespeare accompanies a BSCI debate it tickles me in all the right places, but I am slightly saddened by your misstep:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/List_of_misquotations

mikearama

Slowhand wrote:

Notice, you're the only one so far that seems to think there's cheating going on.

And that, my friend, worries me.

Come on now... am I the only one (maybe with the exception of GTRob... thanks for the endorsement) who has sat this truly evil exam, and honestly, without malice, doesn't think it's possible to get a 977 with more than a half hour left? Am I the only one?

Anyway, one things for sure, no one's knowingly going to admit to cheating, so this little trip's going nowhere. So, again, congrats deezul... I'm obviously jealous.

mikearama wrote:

Slowhand wrote:

Notice, you're the only one so far that seems to think there's cheating going on.

And that, my friend, worries me.

Come on now... am I the only one (maybe with the exception of GTRob... thanks for the endorsement) who has sat this truly evil exam, and honestly, without malice, doesn't think it's possible to get a 977 with more than a half hour left? Am I the only one?

Obviously, you are the only one getting your panties in such a bunch over it. Personally, yes, I do think you're being jealous and acting up in a very petty way. Is there cheating? Of course there is. Is that the natural conclusion to draw when someone accomplishes something you cannot? Nope. Until you have some proof, something other than "your gut instinct", you're not really going to win over any support with your manufactured outrage. If he cheated, he'll pay for it in the end. If he didn't, then it's just true that he studied 4 - 5 hours a day and got a good score at a fast pace. The only game I see here is mud-slinging without any just cause, and it brings down the rest of the forum just as much as the dumpers do.

wat08 wrote:

Whenever Shakespeare accompanies a BSCI debate it tickles me in all the right places, but I am slightly saddened by your misstep:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/List_of_misquotations

Heh, heh. . . that's why I didn't quote Shakespeare directly. The mis-quote is seen so often, it's become a staple-saying of its own. Nice link, though, it's always fun to read up on the quotes as they're meant to be.

mikearama wrote:

Slowhand wrote:

Notice, you're the only one so far that seems to think there's cheating going on.

And that, my friend, worries me.

Come on now... am I the only one (maybe with the exception of GTRob... thanks for the endorsement) who has sat this truly evil exam, and honestly, without malice, doesn't think it's possible to get a 977 with more than a half hour left? Am I the only one?

Anyway, one things for sure, no one's knowingly going to admit to cheating, so this little trip's going nowhere. So, again, congrats deezul... I'm obviously jealous.

You are probably not the only one who thinks people who get great scores are cheating. You are the only one making accusations with no proof which is completely different. Call it balls or what ever you want, but IMO its pure ignorance and jealousy.

I guess you have never had a colleague that cheated and still failed.....

You are right this is going nowhere. So this is all I have to say about it.