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jryantech

My philosophy is do not judge Vista unless you are running it with a overall score of 5.9 and the 64-bit version. The operating system is amazing with good hardware.

Now... where is my Windows 7? ;]

Tyrant1919

It is indeed a great OS. I've been running it since a few months within it's release. All the problems people complained about are easily resolved.

"It's slow" - Get a better computer. No, 512MB of Ram will not work this time.
"It won't run my XP program" - Complain to the software manufacturer to update their @#$%
"I get prompts to do everything" - Google I get prompts to do everything to learn how to fix it.
"I don't know where everything is!" - Use help then.

There, problems solved. In reality a great OS taken down by stupid people. Just like my beloved ME.

Once 7 comes out, I'll probably use my Vista license to make an exclusive HTPC.

Megadeth4168

I like Vista, sure it took some getting used to at the beginning, but now I like the new interface.

I hope this statement "Just like my beloved ME" is a joke. Seriously, every computer that I've ever worked on that had ME was highly unstable. Unless I'm one of those stupid people

WanBoy67

Windows 7 is the OS Vista should have been, but wasn't. It's no surprise Vista will disappear ASAP especially with XP Mode application virtualization in 7 as well. 7 is an all-round polished OS, looks like they have got it right from the start for once.

jryantech

Oh come on who did not like ME, PLUG AND PLAY FTW ;]

Seriously though XP is obviously the king of all Operating Systems for all around performance. But Vista is really good with a good machine and a knowledgeable user.

tiersten

Vista not going anywhere soon. The Microsoft manager who said that Vista would be discontinued once Windows 7 came out is wrong it seems.

nel

jryantech wrote: »

Oh come on who did not like ME, PLUG AND PLAY FTW ;]

Seriously though XP is obviously the king of all Operating Systems for all around performance. But Vista is really good with a good machine and a knowledgeable user.

oooo brave statement. Just wait till all the mac/*nix folk read that

tiersten

nel wrote: »

oooo brave statement. Just wait till all the mac/*nix folk read that

Pfft. DOS was king of performance!

jryantech

nel wrote: »

oooo brave statement. Just wait till all the mac/*nix folk read that

Don't you find it funny that people have Mac Logo stickers on there cars but not Windows?
It's because Mac is a Fad. I am not saying Macs have bad performance or that Mac is a bad company (I own a iPhone) but the way they market themselves is trendy, the same way clothing companies market themselves.

Plus I can't walk into a Mac store without feeling like I'm trying to be cool.

The fact they have 30 employees in a 10x10 sq ft store blows my mind.

tiersten

jryantech wrote: »

Don't you find it funny that people have Mac Logo stickers on there cars but not Windows?

Not really. You get a bunch of Apple stickers in each Apple product you buy. I stuck a bunch around work just because I didn't have anything better to do with them. We've got "Apple" branded iSeries servers and NetApp filers. We've got no Macs at all otherwise.

jryantech wrote: »

It's because Mac is a Fad.

Are you Ballmer in disguise?

jryantech wrote: »

the way they market themselves is trendy, the same way clothing companies market themselves.

Whatever works. It is marketing at the end of the day. The art of BSing.

Tyrant1919

No joke, I loved ME. Granted my computing experience at the time was almost nothing, but I had no problems with it at all.

tiersten

Tyrant1919 wrote: »

No joke, I loved ME. Granted my computing experience at the time was almost nothing, but I had no problems with it at all.

I ran it for a while and whilst it was buggy, I don't think it was any worse than the 9x versions. Windows ME was basically 98 with an updated Explorer, newer components and extra restrictions on entering DOS mode. The updated parts made it a bit slower.

I'm just glad they moved on from there and onto the NT based kernels.

HeroPsycho

I understand still selling a previous radically different OS like XP once Vista comes out, but why would it come as a surprise Vista would disappear soon after Win7 is out. Buying Vista at that point would be the equivalent of buying W2K when XP was out.

tiersten

HeroPsycho wrote: »

I understand still selling a previous radically different OS like XP once Vista comes out, but why would it come as a surprise Vista would disappear soon after Win7 is out.

Its not disappearing soon after Windows 7 is out though. XP was only discontinued at the end of January. Windows life-cycle dates.

HeroPsycho wrote: »

Buying Vista at that point would be the equivalent of buying W2K when XP was out.

There are still plenty of offices out there which are still installing Windows 2000 via site licenses. If Microsoft still sold licenses then I'm sure people would buy them.

bsddaemon0

I've also been running Vista since not long after it came out. Most of the complaints about it are bogus. The only real problem I had was the initial lack of a driver for a PL2303 GPS unit. Everything else was fine from the start. The only seriously annoying thing Vista has is the UAC prompts and it's no big deal to turn them off. People get upset because they can't run the latest and greatest on a 5 year old POS that was junk when it came out.

tiersten

bsddaemon0 wrote: »

I've also been running Vista since not long after it came out. Most of the complaints about it are bogus.

When I first tried Vista, it was right at the start and most drivers were in beta and buggy. Applications weren't designed for Vista either. Once everything had stabilised I found Vista was fine.

the_Grinch

I will say I just got an eMachine with Vista (2 Gigs of Ram and 1.6 GHz chip) and it does run slow. I removed all the nifty Vista visual stuff and still slow. I'd say its probably the chip that does it as I've played with a Dell laptop and it ran very quickly. What really kills Vista is that people were use to getting cheap computers with XP on them and don't want to spend the cash on properly configured systems.

Mac is a fad? Ha! I love Apple computers and they last pretty much forever. If I hadn't broke my power adapter in my G4 I'd still be using it. My MacBook has been on for 34 days and runs like a champ. Run XP on it with VMWare and it is awesome. Price is the only thing that is really holding the Mac back from taking a bigger market share.

<Proudly written on a 13 inch MacBook (Black)>

bsddaemon0

the_Grinch wrote: »

I will say I just got an eMachine with Vista (2 Gigs of Ram and 1.6 GHz chip) and it does run slow.

I ran it first on a MSI notebook with 2 GB and 1.6 AMD dual core and it was fine until the motherboard crapped itself. I now run it on another MSI notebook with 4GB and Intel 2.4 dual core. Both were middle of the road notebooks costing about $1300 at the time.

It is not unreasonable to say it needs 2GB plus at least 256Mb dedicated video memory. That wasn't top of the line when Vista came out. People who try running it on hardware that is several years old with less than that are going to be disappointed.

HeroPsycho

tiersten wrote: »

Its not disappearing soon after Windows 7 is out though. XP was only discontinued at the end of January. Windows life-cycle dates.

There are still plenty of offices out there which are still installing Windows 2000 via site licenses. If Microsoft still sold licenses then I'm sure people would buy them.

Oh, I know Vista isn't going anywhere for awhile. I was just making the point that some people are trying to make the argument that pulling Vista off retail shelves so quickly proves Vista was a bad OS, which it's not. I like Vista, but I wouldn't buy Vista once Win7 comes out because they're virtually the same OS. However, there are plenty of instances where one would need to buy XP once Vista was released because they're far more different from each other whether it be for underpowered machines, netbooks, more significant application compatibility differences, etc.

The orgs still deploying W2K are out there, but let's be honest. 99.9% of them are deploying W2K either:

A. Idiotically.
B. Just to keep operating costs low from having to manage another OS.

I can't think of any technologically based reason to deploy W2K instead of XP unless you have that one in a million app that doesn't work at all or as well on XP.

Ditto here. Once Win7 comes out and proves stable, there will be little reason to ever deploy Vista again with no slight on Vista.

Kasor

I'm running Vista 64bits (Business and Home) with 8G RAM without any problem at all. However, as for business workstation, vista 32 bits is not recommend at all.

SWM

My biggest issues with Vista and now server 2008 are..

The new Networking Shell/front end. I hate it, its overcomplicated, The Network and Sharing centre is painful to manipulate through. Why under Manage Network Connections can you not create a NEW connection!!!
They seem to have improved this in Windows 7, so only time will tell.

I really miss not being able to right mouse click on the top left of a MyComputer windows and select Manage (can do this in XP) you need to find a Mycomputer icon (on desktop or startmenu)and right mouse in Vista and Server 2008.

But I do like how when you are downloading a file and create a new folder it auto takes you into the new folder

dynamik

SWM wrote: »

The new Networking Shell/front end. I hate it, its overcomplicated, The Network and Sharing centre is painful to manipulate through. Why under Manage Network Connections can you not create a NEW connection!!!
They seem to have improved this in Windows 7, so only time will tell.

Just make a shortcut for "control netconnections". I have one on my quick launch bar

jryantech

Not enough Mac fan boys in this thread

I suppose they are all on Photoshop Forums and Video Editing Websites

Or trying to download drivers and software so they can get there video games working.

ladiesman217

So then what will happen to the vista certified?

tiersten

ladiesman217 wrote: »

So then what will happen to the vista certified?

Nothing. They'll get to keep their cert but at some point Microsoft will stop offering it to new people.

Claymoore

Your MCTS, MCITP, or MCPD certifications will retire when Microsoft discontinues mainstream support for the related technology. Typically, mainstream support is discontinued 7 to 10 years after the initial product release. When support ends, your related certification will retire.

http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/newgen/lifecycle/default.mspx

tiersten

Claymoore wrote: »

Your MCTS, MCITP, or MCPD certifications will retire when Microsoft discontinues mainstream support for the related technology. Typically, mainstream support is discontinued 7 to 10 years after the initial product release. When support ends, your related certification will retire.

Never knew they actually expired. I guess I'm just used to seeing people with the W2K cert still

rwwest7

the_Grinch wrote: »

I will say I just got an eMachine with Vista (2 Gigs of Ram and 1.6 GHz chip) and it does run slow. I removed all the nifty Vista visual stuff and still slow. I'd say its probably the chip that does it as I've played with a Dell laptop and it ran very quickly. What really kills Vista is that people were use to getting cheap computers with XP on them and don't want to spend the cash on properly configured systems.

Mac is a fad? Ha! I love Apple computers and they last pretty much forever. If I hadn't broke my power adapter in my G4 I'd still be using it. My MacBook has been on for 34 days and runs like a champ. Run XP on it with VMWare and it is awesome. Price is the only thing that is really holding the Mac back from taking a bigger market share.

<Proudly written on a 13 inch MacBook (Black)>

eMachine, that's your problem. Not Vista. If you spent the same amount of money on your PC as you did your MAC you'd get one heck of a PC.

My home server (Server 2k3, Dell 4500 Pentium 4, 1 Gig of RAM, cost me $200) has been running for two months now and runs like a champ. How much did that MacBook set you back? A lot more than 200

msteinhilber

the_Grinch wrote: »

I will say I just got an eMachine with Vista (2 Gigs of Ram and 1.6 GHz chip) and it does run slow. I removed all the nifty Vista visual stuff and still slow. I'd say its probably the chip that does it as I've played with a Dell laptop and it ran very quickly. What really kills Vista is that people were use to getting cheap computers with XP on them and don't want to spend the cash on properly configured systems.

Mac is a fad? Ha! I love Apple computers and they last pretty much forever. If I hadn't broke my power adapter in my G4 I'd still be using it. My MacBook has been on for 34 days and runs like a champ. Run XP on it with VMWare and it is awesome. Price is the only thing that is really holding the Mac back from taking a bigger market share.

<Proudly written on a 13 inch MacBook (Black)>

The main problem with Vista is it doesn't really enable the big box computer retailers to sell a very cheaply built $300-400 desktop or notebook computer that will run Vista well. I don't fault Microsoft for that really, I fault the system builders for not doing a decent enough job to educate the population and try to upsell into a regular computer. I can't count the number of times I've been wandering through any big box store that sells computers and I hear salespeople preach about how this $399 PC with a 17" LCD included will run perfectly fine. In the case of your e-machine, that's pretty much rock bottom in terms of quality and performance. The only thing it really has going for it is 2gb ram, but it's probably a Celeron CPU or maybe a dual-core (not Core2) at best, not to mention weak integrated graphics. I recently had a co-worker ask me to setup his notebook for him, I have no idea what brand it was since I worked on it remotely (tried to at least) but it was so ungodly slow that it took me 15 minutes to get Dameware MRC installed and configured for first time use and check the system properties to learn it was a single core CPU with 512MB of memory, and he just bought it new from Best Buy. Bottom line is Vista is a modern OS for modern computers, modern computers really shouldn't include some of the garbage that is being sold out there these days - but unfortunately there will always be those who just want a $300 computer and expect it to run great.

Regarding Mac, I wouldn't say it's a fad - but I will say that I don't think they are any more reliable (in terms of life span) than an equal PC. They are well built with what seems to be decent quality components, but the same can be said for PC's as well in the same price range. If Apple offered just as many inexpensive desktops and notebooks they would probably have more reliability issues. The one thing they do have going for them that I like is the power jack on the newer notebooks, great idea - I've replaced and/or re-soldered many power jacks on notebooks in the past. My wife's notebook has been running for several months straight (Lenovo T60p), she's a Facebook addict and does those stupid Facebook games and has a macro she run's when she's not using it - that's not going into hibernate or anything either so it's not just a the powers of the Mac that enable a PC to be reliable or run for a long time

tiersten

msteinhilber wrote: »

Regarding Mac, I wouldn't say it's a fad - but I will say that I don't think they are any more reliable (in terms of life span) than an equal PC. They are well built with what seems to be decent quality components, but the same can be said for PC's as well in the same price range.

Yeah. From a hardware point of view, Macs are pretty much PCs these days. The only major difference is that they have EFI instead of the ye olde PC BIOS.

msteinhilber wrote: »

If Apple offered just as many inexpensive desktops and notebooks they would probably have more reliability issues.

Rumour is that Apple are going to be introducing cheaper models to appeal to the lower end markets. Global recession and all that...