Ccnp:w

Bl8ckr0uterBl8ckr0uter Inactive Imported Users Posts: 5,031 ■■■■■■■■□□
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Has anyone done (or plan to do ) the CCNP wireless? Why or Why not?
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  • ColbyGColbyG Member Posts: 1,264
    No. Because wireless is the devil and a huge PITA to support.
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  • networker050184networker050184 Mod Posts: 11,962 Mod
    ColbyNA wrote: »
    No. Because wireless is the devil and a huge PITA to support.

    I couldn't have said it better myself!

    We are putting in a new WiMAX product right now though so I'm sure I'll get caught up in it eventually.
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  • iprouteiproute Member Posts: 269
    The reason why I wouldn't go for it is because I don't see it doing much for my marketability. I would much more likely go for CCVP or CCSP. Not that wireless isn't interesting. Maybe things will change in a few years.
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  • Bl8ckr0uterBl8ckr0uter Inactive Imported Users Posts: 5,031 ■■■■■■■■□□
    ColbyNA wrote: »
    No. Because wireless is the devil and a huge PITA to support.


    Do you think the CCNP:W would prepare someone to support a wireless network (at least a cisco wireless network)?
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  • ColbyGColbyG Member Posts: 1,264
    knwminus wrote: »
    Do you think the CCNP:W would prepare someone to support a wireless network (at least a cisco wireless network)?

    Uh, yea. That's the point of the cert, no? I think it would prepare someone for wireless as much as the CCVP would prepare someone for voice.
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  • dynamikdynamik Banned Posts: 12,312 ■■■■■■■■■□
    If you're interested in wireless, you should start with the CWNA and go from there.
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  • Bl8ckr0uterBl8ckr0uter Inactive Imported Users Posts: 5,031 ■■■■■■■■□□
    ColbyNA wrote: »
    Uh, yea. That's the point of the cert, no? I think it would prepare someone for wireless as much as the CCVP would prepare someone for voice.

    Not really but I aint going to go there icon_wink.gif.

    The reason why I asked that, is that I heard from a CCVP that the VP does not prepare you for Voice admin work.


    dynamik wrote: »
    If you're interested in wireless, you should start with the CWNA and go from there.

    Although I am interested in Wireless, that isn't why I was asking about the CCNP:W. I was curious because I have heard a lot more buzz from people about the other new cisco certs (including the CCNA:W) rather than the CCNP:W. I was wondering if (in fact) anyone had this cert here and what was it like, etc etc.

    I am curious to know why you said the CWNA. I have put it on my to do list but that cert seems to be a niche cert (correct me if I am wrong). I searched on dice nationwide a while back and only 3 job postings even mentioned it. Is it gaining popularity?
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  • AlexMRAlexMR Member Posts: 275
    knwminus wrote: »
    Not really but I aint going to go there icon_wink.gif.

    The reason why I asked that, is that I heard from a CCVP that the VP does not prepare you for Voice admin work.

    Does this person have a CCVP or maybe a CCIE Voice?

    knwminus wrote: »
    Although I am interested in Wireless, that isn't why I was asking about the CCNP:W. I was curious because I have heard a lot more buzz from people about the other new cisco certs (including the CCNA:W) rather than the CCNP:W. I was wondering if (in fact) anyone had this cert here and what was it like, etc etc.

    I am curious to know why you said the CWNA. I have put it on my to do list but that cert seems to be a niche cert (correct me if I am wrong). I searched on dice nationwide a while back and only 3 job postings even mentioned it. Is it gaining popularity?


    Yes, why not CCNAW??
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  • dynamikdynamik Banned Posts: 12,312 ■■■■■■■■■□
    knwminus wrote: »
    I am curious to know why you said the CWNA. I have put it on my to do list but that cert seems to be a niche cert (correct me if I am wrong). I searched on dice nationwide a while back and only 3 job postings even mentioned it. Is it gaining popularity?

    It's a solid wireless cert. The CCNA:W is very proprietary and requires knowledge of the interfaces for expensive equipment. It's probably great if you're working with Cisco wireless equipment, but I wouldn't recommend it to people starting out in wireless. I haven't taken it myself, but I've seen people here fail it multiple times while having other pro-level certs. It doesn't seem like the study materials are up to par either.

    I want the CWSP, and the CWNA is a prereq for that. I don't think they stand out enough by themselves, but I think they make a nice addition to my resume. It's sort of like the Linux+. I don't expect it to get me a job, but they make a nice compliment to my MCSE/MCITPs.
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  • Bl8ckr0uterBl8ckr0uter Inactive Imported Users Posts: 5,031 ■■■■■■■■□□
    AlexMR wrote: »
    Does this person have a CCVP or maybe a CCIE Voice?

    Just a CCVP and CCNP.
    AlexMR wrote: »

    Yes, why not CCNAW??

    Oh yea. Sorry I should have put CCNA:W/CCNP:W. I have seen the CCNA:S on job boards but not the CCNA:W or CCNA:V.
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  • ColbyGColbyG Member Posts: 1,264
    knwminus wrote: »
    The reason why I asked that, is that I heard from a CCVP that the VP does not prepare you for Voice admin work.

    I find that a bit strange. Did this person elaborate at all?
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  • Bl8ckr0uterBl8ckr0uter Inactive Imported Users Posts: 5,031 ■■■■■■■■□□
    ColbyNA wrote: »
    I find that a bit strange. Did this person elaborate at all?

    Not really. He said that you need to know alot more than what is on the exams to make it as a voice engineer. The guy is a tier II voice engineer, which is like slightly underneath our CCIE guys.
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  • Bl8ckr0uterBl8ckr0uter Inactive Imported Users Posts: 5,031 ■■■■■■■■□□
    dynamik wrote: »
    It's a solid wireless cert. The CCNA:W is very proprietary and requires knowledge of the interfaces for expensive equipment. It's probably great if you're working with Cisco wireless equipment, but I wouldn't recommend it to people starting out in wireless. I haven't taken it myself, but I've seen people here fail it multiple times while having other pro-level certs. It doesn't seem like the study materials are up to par either.

    I want the CWSP, and the CWNA is a prereq for that. I don't think they stand out enough by themselves, but I think they make a nice addition to my resume. It's sort of like the Linux+. I don't expect it to get me a job, but they make a nice compliment to my MCSE/MCITPs.

    I looked at Both certs awhile back and questioned this forum about it. I would like to do the cwna/cwsp at some point as well but I do not see the direct benefit (resume filler is ok but no when you have to pay for it :) ).

    For some reason I thought the CCNP:W and CCVP would be crazy hot but that seems only half true. Case and point: Our company will not pay out for the CCNP:W but will pay out for the New NA level certs as well as all pro and IE levels. Weird no?
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  • ColbyGColbyG Member Posts: 1,264
    Does your company do a lot of heavy wireless?

    My company probably wouldn't pay for the CCNP: Wireless either, we don't do enough with wireless to justify it. They wouldn't pay for the CCVP either as we use zero VoIP. They are all for the R&S certs and Security as well. I think it's all subjective.
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  • Bl8ckr0uterBl8ckr0uter Inactive Imported Users Posts: 5,031 ■■■■■■■■□□
    ColbyNA wrote: »
    Does your company do a lot of heavy wireless?

    My company probably wouldn't pay for the CCNP: Wireless either, we don't do enough with wireless to justify it. They wouldn't pay for the CCVP either as we use zero VoIP. They are all for the R&S certs and Security as well. I think it's all subjective.

    Not a whole lot of wireless but a sh1t ton of voip, specifically cisco and avaya.

    Security is huge, transport is as well. I just find it strange that every cisco cert (including the specialist certs) will get you money but the CCNP:W. We are a huge cisco partner so It really is strange to me.

    Oh well. Back to eigrp/ospf redistribution studies for the CCNA :) .
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  • dynamikdynamik Banned Posts: 12,312 ■■■■■■■■■□
    Well Cisco's wireless program was only recently introduced, and from my perspective (I may be way off), their wireless stuff isn't as mature as other companies'.
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  • Bl8ckr0uterBl8ckr0uter Inactive Imported Users Posts: 5,031 ■■■■■■■■□□
    dynamik wrote: »
    Well Cisco's wireless program was only recently introduced, and from my perspective (I may be way off), their wireless stuff isn't as mature as other companies'.

    I am pretty sure cisco would disagree but you may have a point there.
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  • gorebrushgorebrush Member Posts: 2,743 ■■■■■■■□□□
    Have I been asleep?

    I didn't even know there was a CCNP:W
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  • TurgonTurgon Banned Posts: 6,308 ■■■■■■■■■□
    Wireless can be fiddly and still seen as 'edge' work in many quarters. A lot of people wont touch it. However we do see jobs on the boards now looking for folks skilled in rolling out wireless products. Mostly jobs with Cisco partners who are particularly into it.
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  • Bl8ckr0uterBl8ckr0uter Inactive Imported Users Posts: 5,031 ■■■■■■■■□□
    Turgon wrote: »
    Wireless can be fiddly and still seen as 'edge' work in many quarters. A lot of people wont touch it. However we do see jobs on the boards now looking for folks skilled in rolling out wireless products. Mostly jobs with Cisco partners who are particularly into it.

    So would you go for the CCNA:W/CCNP:W track?
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  • TurgonTurgon Banned Posts: 6,308 ■■■■■■■■■□
    knwminus wrote: »
    So would you go for the CCNA:W/CCNP:W track?

    There are lots of things I would like to go for, but there just isn't time to do them all properly. My advice to anyone is do something if A - It will really help your career prospects and B - If you have the time. In my case neither really applies for CCNA:W/CCNP:W but it may for other folks.
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  • CyanicCyanic Member Posts: 289
    ColbyNA wrote: »
    No. Because wireless is the devil and a huge PITA to support.

    Man, don't even get me started.... troubleshooting can be a real nightmare.
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  • ColbyGColbyG Member Posts: 1,264
    Cyanic wrote: »
    Man, don't even get me started.... troubleshooting can be a real nightmare.

    I hear ya. I deal with wireless BS daily.
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  • mikej412mikej412 Member Posts: 10,086 ■■■■■■■■■■
    knwminus wrote: »
    Why not?
    I'm not in the Wireless group at work -- so I don't have a "work need."

    No self-study material appears to be out -- CCNP Wireless isn't even mentioned on ciscopress.com

    To do the labs for the CCNA:Wireless you should have at least 2 Wireless Lan Controllers (plus the access points) -- so to do more than memorize some configurations for the exam you're looking at spending about/at least $3000 for a "home lab." If you had access to the CCNA:Wireless hardware (work lab or home lab), then you'd probably have a good starting point for a CCNP Wireless Lab....

    Even if I decided to pay for the official training courses, I don't think a Training Center can't teach the courses until their Instructor has sat the class.

    Would rather get a CCIE R&S first.
    knwminus wrote: »
    Why
    It would be cool to earn a NEW Certification.

    It could be useful if you wanted to work for a Cisco Business Partner (and they wanted to grow their Wireless Business or gain a Wireless Specialization Designation).

    Because it could become more useful as more businesses "buy into" wireless.

    If you have a wireless project at work that you want to "get in on" it would be nice to be able to offer some Wireless knowledge and skills -- rather than just enthusiasm -- to get on the "Wireless Team."

    You've got $4000 to $5000 burning a hole in your pocket that you don't know what to do with.

    Ooooooooooh -- that CCIE Wireless looks all shiny and sparkly!!!
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  • TurgonTurgon Banned Posts: 6,308 ■■■■■■■■■□
    mikej412 wrote: »
    I'm not in the Wireless group at work -- so I don't have a "work need."

    No self-study material appears to be out -- CCNP Wireless isn't even mentioned on ciscopress.com

    To do the labs for the CCNA:Wireless you should have at least 2 Wireless Lan Controllers (plus the access points) -- so to do more than memorize some configurations for the exam you're looking at spending about/at least $3000 for a "home lab." If you had access to the CCNA:Wireless hardware (work lab or home lab), then you'd probably have a good starting point for a CCNP Wireless Lab....

    Even if I decided to pay for the official training courses, I don't think a Training Center can't teach the courses until their Instructor has sat the class.

    Would rather get a CCIE R&S first.


    It would be cool to earn a NEW Certification.

    It could be useful if you wanted to work for a Cisco Business Partner (and they wanted to grow their Wireless Business or gain a Wireless Specialization Designation).

    Because it could become more useful as more businesses "buy into" wireless.

    If you have a wireless project at work that you want to "get in on" it would be nice to be able to offer some Wireless knowledge and skills -- rather than just enthusiasm -- to get on the "Wireless Team."

    You've got $4000 to $5000 burning a hole in your pocket that you don't know what to do with.

    Ooooooooooh -- that CCIE Wireless looks all shiny and sparkly!!!

    All good points Mike.
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  • tyler78tyler78 Member Posts: 3 ■□□□□□□□□□
    I'm planning to do the CCNP:W. Luckily I have opportunity to work with global Cisco Wireless environment where you can get some hands on experience. I wouldn't do it if there is no chance to get hands on experience. First I have to go for the CCNA:W. It seems to have fairly basic stuff according to exam topics...those topics are pretty same with Wireless specialist certification. Lets see how that CCNA:W works out :)
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