Web could run out of addresses next year, warn web experts

veritas_libertasveritas_libertas Member Posts: 5,746 ■■■■■■■■■■
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I am not sure I agree with this...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/6488193/Web-could-run-out-of-addresses-next-year-warn-web-experts.html
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  • rsuttonrsutton Member Posts: 1,029 ■■■■■□□□□□
    I think your link was truncated.

    Web could run out of addresses next year, warn web experts - Telegraph
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  • dynamikdynamik Banned Posts: 12,312 ■■■■■■■■■□
    I've heard ranges from 5-10 years, and those were conservative.
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  • veritas_libertasveritas_libertas Member Posts: 5,746 ■■■■■■■■■■
    rsutton wrote: »
    I think your link was truncated.

    Web could run out of addresses next year, warn web experts - Telegraph

    Ah, so it was... Thanks!
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  • Hyper-MeHyper-Me Banned Posts: 2,059
    If they would scrub all the BS websites out there (squatters, etc) and force more usage of NAT and such, there wouldnt even be an issue whatsoever.
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  • dynamikdynamik Banned Posts: 12,312 ■■■■■■■■■□
    Hyper-Me wrote: »
    If they would scrub all the BS websites out there (squatters, etc) and force more usage of NAT and such, there wouldnt even be an issue whatsoever.

    Pretty sure most of those are loaded up on shared hosting anyway. I doubt that would make a significant difference.
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  • networker050184networker050184 Mod Posts: 11,962 Mod
    Hyper-Me wrote: »
    If they would scrub all the BS websites out there (squatters, etc) and force more usage of NAT and such, there wouldnt even be an issue whatsoever.

    So they get rid of the website and then what? The IP block is still allocated and can't be used. That does absolutely nothing for the shortage of IP addresses.
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  • Hyper-MeHyper-Me Banned Posts: 2,059
    networker050184 wrote: »
    So they get rid of the website and then what? The IP block is still allocated and can't be used. That does absolutely nothing for the shortage of IP addresses.

    You reallocate it to a legitimate customer.

    I would bet that for ever 100,000 IP addresses out there, 90,000 are wasted on pure crap.
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  • mikej412mikej412 Member Posts: 10,086 ■■■■■■■■■■
    dynamik wrote: »
    I've heard ranges from 5-10 years, and those were conservative.
    I've heard for the last 5-10 years that we're going to run out of IP address next year. icon_rolleyes.gif
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  • MeanDrunkR2D2MeanDrunkR2D2 Member Posts: 899 ■■■■■□□□□□
    Hyper-Me wrote: »
    You reallocate it to a legitimate customer.

    I would bet that for ever 100,000 IP addresses out there, 90,000 are wasted on pure crap.

    Hey, my fan page for Miley Cyrus and her father is not pure crap... Oh wait, it is.
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  • dynamikdynamik Banned Posts: 12,312 ■■■■■■■■■□
    Hyper-Me wrote: »
    I would bet that for ever 100,000 IP addresses out there, 90,000 are wasted on pure crap.

    I'd take you up on that. You could squat a million domains and just point them all to the same site; it's called domain parking. If they're really complex, they'll make it an interactive page that puts up a few ads that are related to the domain name. No one is wasting a bunch of IPs on that crap.

    I'd wager that there are many more allocated but unused IPs than there are IPs being used for stuff like that. You think everyone that got a Class B is using that entire range?
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  • Paul BozPaul Boz Member Posts: 2,620 ■■■■■■■■□□
    This is a pretty popular recurring thread on the NANOG mailing list. I've been following the service provider industry for about 10 years now and these statements pop up all the time. As we get closer to the end of public IPv4 addresses we will use them more and more responsibly. It's human nature to be as lavish as possible with most consumables (gas is cheap so we all need Suburbans, for example) and IP address space is no different. My personal prediction is that we'll never run out of IPv4 addresses - we will just dwindle down the supply to the point where its more economically feasible to use IPv6.
    dynamik wrote: »
    I'd wager that there are many more allocated but unused IPs than there are IPs being used for stuff like that. You think everyone that got a Class B is using that entire range?

    I would like to think that by "wasted on crap" he's meaning unused space as well as "dark-net" usage. That is very much the case. There are HUGE swaths of IPv4 space that are not in use and probably never will be. Back in the day many large universities got full class As or large numbers of continuous class B's. Government agencies such as NASA and the DoD are sitting on millions upon millions of public IPs as well.
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  • Hyper-MeHyper-Me Banned Posts: 2,059
    dynamik wrote: »
    I'd take you up on that. You could squat a million domains and just point them all to the same site; it's called domain parking. If they're really complex, they'll make it an interactive page that puts up a few ads that are related to the domain name. No one is wasting a bunch of IPs on that crap.

    I'd wager that there are many more allocated but unused IPs than there are IPs being used for stuff like that. You think everyone that got a Class B is using that entire range?


    It was just one example. But i bet there is more than 1 or 2 of those squatter/parking companies, now arent there?

    I know a lot of them are wasted. We have "external" IP's at work that get wasted on things like printers and other random junk. (Dont ask, not my doing)
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  • dynamikdynamik Banned Posts: 12,312 ■■■■■■■■■□
    Hyper-Me wrote: »
    It was just one example. But i bet there is more than 1 or 2 of those squatter/parking companies, now arent there?

    I'll spot you a million, and you're still not going to hit that 90% mark ;)
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  • networker050184networker050184 Mod Posts: 11,962 Mod
    Hyper-Me wrote: »
    You reallocate it to a legitimate customer.

    I would bet that for ever 100,000 IP addresses out there, 90,000 are wasted on pure crap.


    If it was only that easy. By the time the legal battle to get those IPs back was over we would be on IPv100.
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  • Hyper-MeHyper-Me Banned Posts: 2,059
    dynamik wrote: »
    I'll spot you a million, and you're still not going to hit that 90% mark ;)

    I didnt say that entire 90% would be squatters/parkers, now did i?

    I just said I bet they are wasted.
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  • L0gicB0mb508L0gicB0mb508 Member Posts: 538
    Yeah this has been going to happen like every year. Maybe we are actually close this time?

    Next year: The web is going to run out of address within the next year, warns web experts.
    haha
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  • veritas_libertasveritas_libertas Member Posts: 5,746 ■■■■■■■■■■
    Paul Boz wrote: »
    Government agencies such as NASA and the DoD are sitting on millions upon millions of public IPs as well.

    Somehow this would not surprise me at all.
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  • ZartanasaurusZartanasaurus Member Posts: 2,008 ■■■■■■■■■□
    mikej412 wrote: »
    I've heard for the last 5-10 years that we're going to run out of IP address next year. icon_rolleyes.gif
    Please report to the nearest OMG PANIC! reeducation center.
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  • Paul BozPaul Boz Member Posts: 2,620 ■■■■■■■■□□
    veritas_libertas wrote: »
    Somehow this would not surprise me at all.

    Universities sit on tenfold what the government agencies are sitting on. Hell I have owned a /48 of public IPv6 space for almost five years now. Just like now with IPv6 now, back in the day ANYBODY could get IPv4 addresses.
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  • cisco_troopercisco_trooper Member Posts: 1,441 ■■■■□□□□□□
    Paul Boz wrote: »
    Universities sit on tenfold what the government agencies are sitting on. Hell I have owned a /48 of public IPv6 space for almost five years now. Just like now with IPv6 now, back in the day ANYBODY could get IPv4 addresses.

    You doing anything with your IPv6 space? Off-topic, just curious...

    I'm thinking about snatching up some space for our company so that we have some provider independent space ready to go.
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  • Paul BozPaul Boz Member Posts: 2,620 ■■■■■■■■□□
    cisco_trooper wrote: »
    You doing anything with your IPv6 space? Off-topic, just curious...

    I'm thinking about snatching up some space for our company so that we have some provider independent space ready to go.

    Not at the moment, but in the future I intend to use it. IPv6 isn't really widely deployed right now but when the industry makes the shift I'll start doing dual homing IPv4 and IPv6. I have a few friends that are high-level data transport engineers for Cox that would potentially build me a tunnel to IPv6 inet if I really wanted it.
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  • cisco_troopercisco_trooper Member Posts: 1,441 ■■■■□□□□□□
    Dang, I'm looking at the IPv6 fees and it looks like they aren't free anymore. Maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me, but I could have sworn IPv6 allocations were free.

    https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html
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  • Paul BozPaul Boz Member Posts: 2,620 ■■■■■■■■□□
    cisco_trooper wrote: »
    Dang, I'm looking at the IPv6 fees and it looks like they aren't free anymore. Maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me, but I could have sworn IPv6 allocations were free.

    https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html

    Good lord, $1250 for space that is practically limitless? Get real ARIN. I understand that we need to be responsible with IPv6 addresses but to charge the same for IPv4 and IPv6 address space is ludicrous.
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  • darkerosxxdarkerosxx Banned Posts: 1,343
    Check the fee waivers. They will be charging the same eventually, but for people that have blocks already and for new subscribers it's free to cheap until 2012.
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