Windows 2000 server end of life

TheShadow

Here is a number that is much higher than I imagined. I wonder what the world number is.

From this weeks OEM partner newsletter

Drive New Revenue with Windows 2000 Server End of Support Migration
With approximately 500,000 users still using Windows Server 2000 in the United States, there is a significant market opportunity for you to encourage your customers to migrate to Windows Server 2008 R2. Resources are available to aid both the sales and migration processes for your customers.

I guess MCSE 2k will die in July also, that just leaves MCSE 2k3 as the last valid one.

Hyper-Me

Farewell to the first version of windows server that didnt suck. (in my opinion)

veritas_libertas

Here is hoping that the MCITP:EA will now gain a little more prominence.

earweed

Let's hope for less braindumps and bootcamps so our MCITP:EA will be more valuable

mgeorge

<rant>
I always thought it was extremely stupid of Microsoft to rename the MCSE to a bunch of smaller technology specific certifications.

The title "MCSE" is very well known and has served as a benchmark for the past decade for engineers skilled in Microsoft windows infrastructures.
</rant>

Hyper-Me

They didnt. The MCTS is on par with MCP, the only difference is now you have the technology listed after each credential (which makes sense...if someone was an MCP you didnt know WTF it was on unless they told you specifically)

The MCITP:EA is on par with the MCSE. "One name to rule them all" if you will. A similar combination of standalone tests to culminate into a larger credential.

arwes

LOL I've still got two Win2K servers here (and a DC that's going away soon at a branch office). One of them handles building security and the other is our voice mail server. I hope we get around to at least replacing the building security box soon, because if that thing dies before then we'll have to set security permissions on all our access keys all over again. The voice mail machine is less of a concern, but we'll probably set up an Asterisk box eventually.

TheShadow

Lifted from Microsoft Learning: Microsoft Certified IT Professional (MCITP)

Notice that Microsoft says MCTIP does not compare directly to MCSE

Q. Is there a recertification policy for the MCITP certification?

A.
We no longer require a "refresh" or recertification of the MCITP certification within three years. To better meet our customers’ needs, we now retire a certification when mainstream support for the related technology phases out. If you earned an MCITP certification before the policy change, no action is required—the updated policy applies to your certification, which will remain valid until mainstream support for the related technology ends.


Q. Does MCSA equate to MCITP: Server Administrator and does MCSE equate to MCITP: Enterprise Administrator?

A.
No, not exactly. The MCITP on Windows Server 2008 certification requires a new skill set—in some cases, a more robust one—that differs from the skill set needed for MCSA and MCSE certifications.

MCITP: Server Administrator certification covers more operations-related job skills than the MCSA certification.

MCITP: Enterprise Administrator maps to an actual job role profile, whereas the MCSE certification does not. The latter combines technology and job skills.


Q. Are the MCTS and MCITP certifications replacing the MCSA and MCSE certifications?

A.
No. The MCSA and MCSE certifications are not being replaced. There is no change to the Microsoft Windows 2000 Server and Windows Server 2003 tracks and certifications. The MCTS and MCITP certifications are for Windows Server 2008.


Q. Am I a Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP) if I earn an MCITP certification?

A.
Yes and no. The term MCP is used both as a general term for all Microsoft Certified Professionals and as the name of a certification. As an MCITP, you become part of the Microsoft Certified Professional community, with access to all related benefits, information, and activities. You do not earn a certification titled "MCP." You should use the MCITP certification on your resumé and in business collateral, which indicates your specialty and shows that you are a member of the MCP community.


Q. How long will my certification be valid?

A.
All Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (MCTS), Microsoft Certified IT Professional (MCITP), and Microsoft Certified Professional Developer (MCPD) certifications retire when Microsoft discontinues mainstream support for the related technology. After a certification retires, it still appears on your transcript but is listed as "inactive." In most cases, an upgrade path is available for people who have that certification, which allows them to demonstrate their skills on the newest version of the technology without completing all exams associated with the new certification. The following certifications will not be retired: Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE), Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator (MCSA), Microsoft Certified Desktop Support Technician (MCDST), Microsoft Certified Database Administrator (MCDBA), Microsoft Certified Solution Developer (MCSD), and Microsoft Certified Applications Developer (MCAD).

Hyper-Me

TheShadow wrote: »

Lifted from Microsoft Learning: Microsoft Certified IT Professional (MCITP)

Notice that Microsoft says MCTIP does not compare directly to MCSE

Yeah I think we have all seen that interview like 600 times.

I realize that is Microsofts official stance that the MCITP is not equal to the MCSE, but thats how the industry views it.

I've even stated many times the differences in the two.

My point was that mrgeorge thought that MCTS = MCSE, when that isnt the case.

MCTS = almost always one test, for one credential.

MCITP = culmination of several tests into one credential

MCP = almost always one test, for one credential

MCSE = culmination of several tests into one credential

Get it?

TheShadow

Hyper-Me wrote: »

Yeah I think we have all seen that interview like 600 times.

I realize that is Microsofts official stance that the MCITP is not equal to the MCSE, but thats how the industry views it.

I've even stated many times the differences in the two.

My point was that mrgeorge thought that MCTS = MCSE, when that isnt the case.

MCTS = almost always one test, for one credential.

MCITP = culmination of several tests into one credential

MCP = almost always one test, for one credential

MCSE = culmination of several tests into one credential

Get it?

Who Me? I always have. I understand Microsoft quite well, holding three MCSE's, MCSA, MCDST, MCDBA, four MCITP's, ?n MCTS's, Master MOS, MCAS, and assorted certified partner certs. However I am not a pundit that speaks for the entire industry. The voices in my head do speak to me at times.

The official Microsoft post was just more sauce for the goose because if everyone had seen it 600 times, as you say, the subject would not keep coming up, now would it? One should strive to eschew obfuscation, shouldn't one.

RobertKaucher

TheShadow wrote: »

One should strive to eschew obfuscation, shouldn't one.

But before that... In order to understand recursion one must first understand recursion.

RouteThisWay

TheShadow wrote: »

the subject would not keep coming up, now would it?

The reason it keeps coming up is the same reason the "Help, I need a career direction/path/guidance" threads pop up every other day.

No one takes the time to do their own research, formulate their own opinions, etc. They want someone to tell them point blank what they should do. The lack of critical thinking skills that some people display are rather appaling, in my opinion. I mean, how are we supposed to know the best career path for someone else? If you can't decide what you want to do, having a stranger on the internet telling you what to do isn't going to help keep you motivated. "I must study for this cert because Veritas on the TE forums says I should" does not cut it lol. I am going to start recommending all of those people need to get a career path in politics. Those guys obviously have no clue what they are doing either

Sorry, got off on a tangent Anyway, I guess it is human nature. Although it may appear that we have read that interview dozens of times... TE does get a lot of traffic, of people who don't visit here on a daily basis like some of us. So, it gets asked quite often. I would much rather people ask about Microsofts new certification tracks than about what their career path needs to be.

TheShadow

The worst part is it is not an interview, it is the FAQ from the MCITP cert page. The place that a person would go if they were doing their own research. However many do not even read the stickies that Johan has here. Sooo the music goes round and round ....

As R.K. said recursion but with infinite stack size and no minterm or terminus.