Education is the key to success or Experience is the key to success.

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Education is the key to success or Experience is the key to success.

what are your guys opinion.

kinggeorge1987

I personally think that experience 'takes the cake'.

Although they do work hand in hand; it's kind of a catch 22 for some places. Most places now require 2-3 years experience. Well for someone fresh out of college looking for a job that turns into a big ordeal.

This leaves people asking, what is the point in even going to school if the education doesn't matter ?

BECAUSE YOU CANT BE TOO SMART!

Even though alot of employers say you need this much experience or that much experience, but in the end when HR doesn't have anyone applying with that much experience, education is going to matter! So really, it depends on who your applying to, and what for.

In my humble opinion of course

phantasm

Experience, hands down. With that said, you will need an education at some point in your career. So do not discount that option.

erpadmin

If we're going to "philosophicalize" or however Dubya would have said that....


My father once told me that the more educated one becomes, the less common sense one still have. Seeing a bunch of Ph.Ds, that can be true. Of course, that might have stemmed from him having a 9th grade education. It was enough for him to make sure my family was fed though.

I personally believe that the key to success rests in setting goals that makes one happy. Education is one way of getting there. But education can never be a substitute for life's experience. From the moment we wake up to the time we sleep, we're all educated in something.

To put that in the context of IT and getting a job in one, it's all about how you sell yourself, just like anything else. One may value your experience. One may not. One may value your education (or lack thereof). One may not. It's all about how you market yourself and show what you can do. Experience is a way to do that.....

asurania

Education Is the Car
Expereince is the Fuel

Education in a way just opens the doors, while the experience will make your career progress

You can have all the education in the world, but with no experience your choices of jobs are limited

In the other hand you can have all expereice but you might hit a wall if you lack education.

You need a education for the base of your career, and then work expereince to make your career grow

kinggeorge1987

asurania wrote: »

Education Is the Car
Expereince is the Fuel

Education in a way just opens the doors, while the experience will make your career progress

You can have all the education in the world, but with no experience your choices of jobs are limited

In the other hand you can have all expereice but you might hit a wall if you lack education.

You need a education for the base of your career, and then work expereince to make your career grow

Set and Point ^^^

N2IT

I view this question as a paradox. You have two concepts running in time together. You have education and experience. If one get's to far out in front of the other you create inbalance which can hurt you.

Example 25 certifcations and a masters degree and worked 3 months in your entire life. Extreme example but my point being that just flat out looks weird. I've seen people who have had a lot of certifications but didn't have the experience, not even customer service experience. They didn't get the job.

I've also seen individuals who got a break or 2 and get to learn some programming or networking but then find the proverbial glass ceiling because of their education.

In my opinion as intuitively as you can keep those two paradoxs close together. The ROI is not there if one gets to far out in front of the other. To be honest I am getting to that point IMO. I am working on an intermediate ITIL cert at the moment, and I am a tier 2 help desk employee. Kind of an overkill to be honest, not so bad that it looks weird, but the certs are starting to get to far ahead of my skill set and job function.

Mojo_666

Tricky one for me, I don't have much of an education as such, I finished High School but that was it. I started at the bottom in IT and worked 6 years before doing my first Cert now I have 12 years experience and some good Certs under my belt. I always wonder if a degree might help me open a few more doors or maybe give me an edge but I do OK getting work.

I am however seriously considering doing a degree atm.

networker050184

Mojo_666 wrote: »

Tricky one for me, I don't have much of an education as such, I finished High School but that was it. I started at the bottom in IT and worked 6 years before doing my first Cert now I have 12 years experience and some good Certs under my belt. I always wonder if a degree might help me open a few more doors or maybe give me an edge but I do OK getting work.

I am however seriously considering doing a degree atm.

I think in the long run experience is what is going to make you successful. The education just increases your chances of getting that experience. Having an education alone won't make you successful in this field.

Mojo_666

networker050184 wrote: »

I think in the long run experience is what is going to make you successful. The education just increases your chances of getting that experience. Having an education alone won't make you successful in this field.

I agree totally the thing is I am earning just fine and i got to where I am based more on experience than anything else, and I would regard myself as successful but I just have this nagging doubt now that it some cases I am being pipped for jobs by people with degrees but I dont know for sure, no one has ever mentioned it to me.

LinuxRacr

asurania wrote: »

Education Is the Car
Expereince is the Fuel

Education in a way just opens the doors, while the experience will make your career progress

You can have all the education in the world, but with no experience your choices of jobs are limited

In the other hand you can have all expereice but you might hit a wall if you lack education.

You need a education for the base of your career, and then work expereince to make your career grow

Well said...

docrice

As a generalization, education = knowledge, and experience = wisdom. You need knowledge to start out, but you don't gain that intuitive grasp of networks with many moving parts until you experience the ecosystem at work.

Paul Boz

I lump certs in with education because they are intended to certify or prove a base competency in whatever the certification covers. I wouldn't be where I am now without my certs. On the flipside, experience is what actually proves you can do what you say you can. Its important to have both. I think they are equally important.

erpadmin

docrice wrote: »

As a generalization, education = knowledge, and experience = wisdom.

That's what my father was trying to teach me. Wasn't the most educated man on the planet, but his experience made him very wise.

GT-Rob

Im one of those pricks that thinks the current school system (including university/college) is broken and a big waste of time and money, especially for IT.


On the other hand experience cannot be defined as X amount of years at X job. One of my network analysts has been on the team for almost 2 years, and is as useless as the day he started, because he has a hard time learning anything. It comes down to the person and how he/she makes use of their time on this planet.

undomiel

The key to success is attitude.

Heero

GT-Rob wrote: »

Im one of those pricks that thinks the current school system (including university/college) is broken and a big waste of time and money, especially for IT.


On the other hand experience cannot be defined as X amount of years at X job. One of my network analysts has been on the team for almost 2 years, and is as useless as the day he started, because he has a hard time learning anything. It comes down to the person and how he/she makes use of their time on this planet.

I agree that the current post-HS education system could improve in in a ton of ways, but its far from "broken." And when it comes down to it, employers do value college educations, so it helps you get the job you want, which is what the end goal is.

erpadmin

Heero wrote: »

I agree that the current post-HS education system could improve in in a ton of ways, but its far from "broken."

LMAO!

Look at your own state and see how many of your state colleges/universities are cutting services/reducing hours of those services. THEN see how much tuition has increased at those institutions. See how much enrollment was affected (all public information, and you would have to do some digging). This is going on in colleges all around the country. Students are pretty much getting sick and tired of higher tuitions, higher costs of textbooks (and save your argument that they're cheaper online...). It's sad and yes, it is most definitely broken. The ol' standby, the taxpayer, aren't hooking up the funding as in years past. Budget shortfalls at these places are common.

B&M institutions will definitely need to change the way they do business or you're going to start seeing closings. If you think I'm exaggerating, find out for yourself!

ipconfig.all

luck helps there r so many cats who got into i.t with no certs or experience or a education i mean aan enducation, luck and being there at the right time helps.

erpadmin

ipconfig.all wrote: »

luck helps there r so many cats who got into i.t with no certs or experience or a education i mean aan enducation, luck and being there at the right time helps.

That's it...enjoy the haterade....you need to ipconfig"."renew another way of thinking, my dude.

ipconfig.all

lol erpadmin its not hate and i am not hating it is just the fact/truth