Are I.T certifications/degree dead?

ipconfig.all

Are I.T certifications dead?

I hear from people that the value of the certifications is not the same as before same for degree?

nel

ipconfig.all wrote: »

Are I.T certifications dead?

I hear from people that the value of the certifications is not the same as before same for degree?

Where they ever alive in the first place?

but no i would say they werent. Although the value of qualifications vary depending on the situation at the current time. Many certs can be devalued due to the amount of **** available. Even degree's can be devalued depending on the program. At the end of the day there will always be certs which are valued and some which are not - just stick to the decent ones

Mojo_666

ipconfig.all wrote: »

Are I.T certifications dead?

I hear from people that the value of the certifications is not the same as before same for degree?

They are not dead in the UK, job ad's ask for certs more than degrees, but either way experience is always asked for. I think experience will make up for lacking either and the more you have the less it matters. I got my first Cert in 2006, I have been doing IT since 1998, however.... things change. I got my first cert in 2006 like I said and my MCP ID was 3 million or so, I did 2 exams and that was all I really needed, I got stuck into a new Job and was too busy for exams. At the end of 2008 the company I worked for got in to trouble and was put up for sale I started applying for jobs and got "0" calls, all the guys who I was working with were doing the same and were getting calls, they were all junior to me and it made no sense. When I started to ask around it turned out that I was actually the least certified person out of 8, even our help desk guy got his MCSA, but no one had ever said they had done or were doing exams to me ( I suspect because they were dumping and thought I might bust them) When one of them showed me his wallet card his MCP ID was 8 million or so, this really bothered me, since the start of the MCP until the time I sat my first exam in 2006 3 million people got at least one MCP, in the 2-3 years since an additional 5 million....It became clear that I had been left behind and although I could run rings around these guys I was just not getting the interviews to prove it. I spent 9 months playing catch up, when I did I got calls when I got calls I got interviews and when I get interviews I got job offers. I was the first to get a job and leave the company. I had my certs which got me the calls I had 10 years behind me which got me the Job.

I am now considering a degree though, but I don' think it is required, I just want an edge.

networker050184

You shouldn't believe everything you are told. Sounds like someone who either doesn't have certification/degree, or they just had unrealistic expectations where those things would get them. A simple job search on any of the major job boards will show you that these are still useful qualifications.

gorebrush

Mojo_666 wrote: »

They are not dead in the UK, job ad's ask for certs more than degrees, but either way experience is always asked for. I think experience will make up for lacking either and the more you have the less it matters. I got my first Cert in 2006, I have been doing IT since 1998, however.... things change. I got my first cert in 2006 like I said and my MCP ID was 3 million or so, I did 2 exams and that was all I really needed, I got stuck into a new Job and was too busy for exams. At the end of 2008 the company I worked for got in to trouble and was put up for sale I started applying for jobs and got "0" calls, all the guys who I was working with were doing the same and were getting calls, they were all junior to me and it made no sense. When I started to ask around it turned out that I was actually the least certified person out of 8, even our help desk guy got his MCSA, but no one had ever said they had done or were doing exams to me ( I suspect because they were dumping and thought I might bust them) When one of them showed me his wallet card his MCP ID was 8 million or so, this really bothered me, since the start of the MCP until the time I sat my first exam in 2006 3 million people got at least one MCP, in the 2-3 years since an additional 5 million....It became clear that I had been left behind and although I could run rings around these guys I was just not getting the interviews to prove it. I spent 9 months playing catch up, when I did I got calls when I got calls I got interviews and when I get interviews I got job offers. I was the first to get a job and leave the company. I had my certs which got me the calls I had 10 years behind me which got me the Job.

I am now considering a degree though, but I don' think it is required, I just want an edge.

Sounds about right. My MCP ID is in the 3 million range (the very lower end of it) and got my first MCP exam in 2004.

Amazing to think there are over 8 million in the world.

On the degree comment - will definitely give you the edge if you are considering an IT Management post, I'd say.

rwwest7

That's something that people who are usually too lazy to get degrees/certs always say.

thenjduke

My certs are not worthless in the field. They get you pass the HR people that is about it. It is more expierence then anything.

eansdad

About 8 years ago I was asked why I didn't have an A+. I told the interviewer that I had almost 4 years of experience and the current test was based on older technology. I also told her that the A+ is roughly (according to Comptia website) equal to 500 hours of work experience or about 3 and a half months of full time work.

I got the job.

Certs and degrees are never worthless. Some, like the Comptia and starter Microsoft certs are good for getting into IT. For advancement and personal growth you can start to get into other areas of IT like networking, programming, security ..etc. A degree in anything will help in finding a job. Just don't expect to get an A+ and Net+ and become a security admin at Lockheed Martin.

Hyper-Me

There might be 8 million MCP's but the vast majority have one or two really small certs. Maybe even something as simple as MCAS.

There are only something like 13,000 MCITP EA's, and when there are 310 MILLION people in the US alone, thats a big differentiator.

Mike-Mike

"Beer+"

awesome

erpadmin

Mike-Mike wrote: »

"Beer+"

awesome

I have Liquor+ and Party+ myself. (Party+ includes pretty much any and everything that is associated with that word.) Beer+ is definitely equivalent to A+ and should only be used as an entry-level cert. Liquor+ is the Network+ equivalent and Party+ would be like Security+.

I choose not to hang those certs up on my wall though. LOL.

Mojo_666

erpadmin wrote: »

I have Liquor+ and Party+ myself. (Party+ includes pretty much any and everything that is associated with that word.) Beer+ is definitely equivalent to A+ and should only be used as an entry-level cert. Liquor+ is the Network+ equivalent and Party+ would be like Security+.

I choose not to hang those certs up on my wall though. LOL.

I think you and Mike also have Crack+ tbh

erpadmin

Mojo_666 wrote: »

I think you and Mike also have Crack+ tbh

Wow....you sound like Heroin+ is right up your alley...especially since your Queen says it's legal as long as you register with the government and sign your rights away.....

Definitely no Crack+, but put it this way, I've been on Sober+ for quite some time....wifey will have no part of me renewing my past certs. LOL.

Mojo_666

erpadmin wrote: »

Wow....you sound like Heroin+ is right up your alley...especially since your Queen says it's legal as long as you register with the government and sign your rights away.....

Definitely no Crack+, but put it this way, I've been on Sober+ for quite some time....wifey will have no part of me renewing my past certs. LOL.

Wife Training+ might be worth a look mate, once I got that I renewed all my other certs with ease.

rogue2shadow

erpadmin wrote: »

I have Liquor+ and Party+ myself. (Party+ includes pretty much any and everything that is associated with that word.) Beer+ is definitely equivalent to A+ and should only be used as an entry-level cert. Liquor+ is the Network+ equivalent and Party+ would be like Security+.

I choose not to hang those certs up on my wall though. LOL.

I demand to know the objectives for these exams.

erpadmin

Mojo_666 wrote: »

Wife Training+ might be worth a look mate, once I got that I renewed all my other certs with ease.

You are fooling no one but yourself with that cert. LOL...you only have the illusion that you have Wife Training+, but in the end, not really.....even as a young man, I thought I'd have stuff on lockdown....

Sadly, I was mistaken....in order to keep the peace and shtfu, I pretty much comply. Only rarely will she allow me to put my foot down, but I have to 100% believe that I'm right. It's very hard to do that with crap I really don't care about. LMAO.

veritas_libertas

erpadmin wrote: »

You are fooling no one but yourself with that cert. LOL...you only have the illusion that you have Wife Training+, but in the end, not really.....even as a young man, I thought I'd have stuff on lockdown....

Sadly, I was mistaken....in order to keep the peace and shtfu, I pretty much comply. Only rarely will she allow me to put my foot down, but I have to 100% believe that I'm right. It's very hard to do that with crap I really don't care about. LMAO.

As an old man once told me:

You have two choices: You can be right or be happy

thenjduke

erpadmin wrote: »

You are fooling no one but yourself with that cert. LOL...you only have the illusion that you have Wife Training+, but in the end, not really.....even as a young man, I thought I'd have stuff on lockdown....

Sadly, I was mistaken....in order to keep the peace and shtfu, I pretty much comply. Only rarely will she allow me to put my foot down, but I have to 100% believe that I'm right. It's very hard to do that with crap I really don't care about. LMAO.

LOL I failed this certification many times over. My wife lets me believe I am right. I know dam well I am not and well I do not even bother anymore/

erpadmin

rogue2shadow wrote: »

I demand to know the objectives for these exams.

I know for me, the standard drinks were in the first objective. (your rum and cokes, screwdrivers). Then the "womanly" drinks were discussed (anything sour, like a whiskey or amaretto). Then you needed to go into pretty manly stuff like the Long Island Ice Tea. ("40s" are also in the objectives and it is important to note that "40s" are not beer....you are definitely tested on malt liquor and the difference...lmao).

Party+....just like a real party, it's a cert by invitation only. You are to incorporate all you learned in the first two certs, then be willing to learn/participate in other activities that may occur at a party. If someone has to call 911, it's because you partied too much, and your cert may be taken away from you. Only professionals should have it, and that's why it's invite only. LMAO.

erpadmin

veritas_libertas wrote: »

As an old man once told me: You can be right or be happy

Plus 1 on that!

erpadmin

thenjduke wrote: »

LOL I failed this certification many times over. My wife lets me believe I am right. I know dam well I am not and well I do not even bother anymore/

I think Mojo is a dumper on Wife Training+....lmao! Don't feel too bad.

Mojo_666

erpadmin wrote: »

I think Mojo is a dumper on Wife Training+....lmao! Don't feel too bad.

Hahah, your not far off the truth, getting and maintaining this cert is all about the bribes, jewellery and shoes are the main ones, but as with any cert you need to throw in additional material like clothes, nights out etc

mikej412

ipconfig.all wrote: »

I hear from people that the value of the certifications is not the same as before same for degree?

You need to find new people.

After you've been working for a while, your experience will probably trump your education and certifications. But it's still easier to have your resume pulled from a stack for a job interview if you have keywords in your resume that HR looks for -- like a degree and certifications. And it also helps if you actually have the knowledge and skills that those qualification imply you should have.

If your parents/family owns a successful business, then you may only need your family contacts to get a job and make lots of money -- and education, certifications, and even experience won't be needed (at least until an older sibling runs the business into the ground and you have to find a job elsewhere and compete with everyone who does have an education, certifications, and experience).

N2IT

ipconfig.all wrote: »

Are I.T certifications dead?

I hear from people that the value of the certifications is not the same as before same for degree?

I think in terms of the words "CIS, MIS, IT Manager, etc", your people are correct it doesn't have that thump like it use to. But it's still very valued if you get it from a good school that is well respected. I am not implying Harvard or Yale, but if you can get into those and graduate right on!

veritas_libertas

I'm sensing frustration from you since this is your second post on academics/certifications. Don't let it get to you! Keep working hard and it will pay off! For me it involved finishing my AAS and moving out of my state to find work. I'm sure you will find what are you looking for if you keep trying!

garv221

lol @ anyone who thinks a degree or any type of continued education is dead.

/thread

ipconfig.all

I also told her that the A+ is roughly (according to Comptia website) equal to 500 hours of work experience or about 3 and a half months of full time work.[

Bull ****. I comptia a+ certification or any other certification does not equal any sort of work experience. Sure you will get some knowledge from the cert but not work experience, the only way to get work experience is to actually go out there and do the work. So no a certification does not equal any work experience, its bull **** to think that. You cannot get work experience by passing a cert the only way to get work experinece is by doing work.

ipconfig.all

When I first started looking for a job with just certifications + no real world experience none gave a **** about me and I only got like 2 phone interviews in 5 months then I volunteered myself at 1 or 2 I.T companies and undertook work experience for a couple of month. I got really valuable real world experience and learned alot and then I started to get around 2 face to face interviews a month. So certs + experience to back up those certs will help. Still I am looking for a job none likes me.

erpadmin

ipconfig.all wrote: »

Bull ****. I comptia a+ certification or any other certification does not equal any sort of work experience. Sure you will get some knowledge from the cert but not work experience, the only way to get work experience is to actually go out there and do the work. So no a certification does not equal any work experience, its bull **** to think that. You cannot get work experience by passing a cert the only way to get work experinece is by doing work.

Ummm....that's not what he said. He said that the experience he had EQUALED the amount of time that CompTia "recommends" before you take the A+ certification. You are reading, incorrectly, that he said the certification EQUALS work experience (Like I got A+ and instead of having 2 years on the job, the test will be fine.....).

He was justifying to his employer, rightfully, why he did not have the A+ exam and how he got hired.

ipconfig.all

oh true