eMeS wrote: »
I'm generally very skeptical of the motives of people that I don't know, and always skeptical of the motives of recruiters. Job boards are heavily driven by recruiters, many external to companies and some internal. In my experience, the internal ones are just as slimy as the external ones.
Among many issues, one problem with this measurement is that you don't know whether or not the jobs that the recruiters have posted on the job boards are simply the ones that they will make the most commission for filling?
You also don't know if they are trolling for resumes for other, unrelated jobs.
That said, I think it's fine to do this, as long as you're aware of the weaknesses of the measure. Not targeting you specifically, but I've seen postings here over the years that take the results of such searches as the gospel.
Mike-Mike wrote: »
i have no facts to back me up, but i would disagree with you... i think many jobs list degree or cert requirements to scare off applicants, but they would certianly look past it if need be
N2IT wrote: »
BTW I am glad you chimed in. Always great to have your point of view, very eye opening and to the point. Wisdom spews from your post.
N2IT wrote: »
But wouldn't it make sense to do a search on the job boards and see what certs get the most hits?
msteinhilber wrote: »
Every job I've had throughout my career were never published on a job board, most weren't published anywhere really. I suspect similar is true for a large portion of jobs out there, so how much weight can one place in what they see on a job listing on some job board?
It doesn't hurt to take a peek to see what's being sought after, but there's a lot more out there that you wouldn't know about unless you really networked yourself (knowing as in both available jobs as well as what some aspects of the industry are really looking for in people). This bit of knowledge, largely gleaned as I've started to try and network more (which I had not done as much if at all since leaving the sales world) has really made me re-evaluate looking at job boards to gauge what's being sought after. That and the fact that most of the job boards now seem to have transitioned from a mash-up of 75% somewhat crappy contract jobs (IMO) and 5% decent jobs and 20% scam's to 90% contract, 19% scams and 1% decent jobs have really made me reconsider the whole job board thing. I still look at them, but I don't place much weight in any trends I seem to find on them.
Paul Boz wrote: »
The harder a certification is to obtain or the fewer of them that exist in the market the less you'll see them on job boards. I'm SANS GCFW #3038 (and that's the total number of people who have challenged the exam, not the number who have passed it). I could crawl the job boards for a week and find maybe one or two listings which mention the GCFW. That doesn't mean the certification is devalued.
Beyond that point, you also have to consider the fact that once you get to a certain job level, standard job boards provide almost no value any more. At a certain point, social networking and having your **** together counts for far more.
Also keep in mind that HR isn't always directly involved in the job search process. I didn't go through HR at my current job until I'd been interviewed for the position. Interacting with HR was an afterthought and reserved for paperwork once I decided I'd take the job. This isn't uncommon at all. At my last employer there wasn't even a legitimate HR department. Every resume came through to my manager. That's the case here as well.
I would say that one should pursue education and certifications that will provide that individual with a distinct market advantage over other individuals with similar skillsets. That's how I approach certs. I could go get all of the Comptia certs, a handfull of MS, some wireless, etc, but it would be fluff that wouldn't provide a direct value to me. Every cert that I have has been to increase my knowledge. The value of the certs to a human resources department has never entered the equation.