New in IT

greenerek

Hi, I am almost new on this forum, and not English native speaker, so please forgive me any grammar and spelling mistake .

I have an inquire how to start to break in to It. This my story in brief.
I have no experience in IT at all, live in the UK, where I was just passed exam and get Cisco CCNA certificate currently studying CCNP. Unfortunately I had not finished degree in my country before I moved in to UK. I was studying law but it wasn't good choice.

Any way, is any chance to become network engineer for me? any chance to find a job in It? Any advice?

Thank you for your help

phantasm

Network Engineer? Sure. In about 10 yrs give or take.

In all honesty we all start at the bottom unless you have some VERY good connections. If I were you I would hold off on that CCNP until you had some experience. The reason is simple, a CCNP with no experience is not very usefull and as such you will either get passed over for the good jobs (no experience) or passed over for the entry jobs (over qualified). In other words, keep you CCNA, do a Security+ and try your best to get a job. Try volunteering at first to get your foot in the door and see where that goes. Either way the road ahead of you has not been paved yet and you have a lot of work to do. Best of luck and welcome to TE.

greenerek

phantasm wrote: »

Network Engineer? Sure. In about 10 yrs give or take.

In all honesty we all start at the bottom unless you have some VERY good connections. If I were you I would hold off on that CCNP until you had some experience. The reason is simple, a CCNP with no experience is not very usefull and as such you will either get passed over for the good jobs (no experience) or passed over for the entry jobs (over qualified). In other words, keep you CCNA, do a Security+ and try your best to get a job. Try volunteering at first to get your foot in the door and see where that goes. Either way the road ahead of you has not been paved yet and you have a lot of work to do. Best of luck and welcome to TE.

So do you suggest to stop CCNP? It gives me opportunity do deploy my knowledge of network and I thought that would be sounds better in my CV and gives me chance to get a job, even without experience...

Should I really give up ccnp or carry on...please for advice...I just paid for a first part of the course....

Turgon

greenerek wrote: »

So do you suggest to stop CCNP? It gives me opportunity do deploy my knowledge of network and I thought that would be sounds better in my CV and gives me chance to get a job, even without experience...

Should I really give up ccnp or carry on...please for advice...I just paid for a first part of the course....

If you have already paid for CCNP training and you are committed to it then carry on, but you need to be seeking employment now and trying as hard as you can to find some meaningful work. There are many overqualified/under experienced people on the market. In fact there has been for 10 years. The difference today from 2000 is it's much harder to get hired today so make a start.

greenerek

Turgon wrote: »

If you have already paid for CCNP training and you are committed to it then carry on, but you need to be seeking employment now and trying as hard as you can to find some meaningful work. There are many overqualified/under experienced people on the market. In fact there has been for 10 years. The difference today from 2000 is it's much harder to get hired today so make a start.

well, I paid for one part. The course is divided for four parts. And after posts on this forum...I concider if it is worth it...

Turgon

greenerek wrote: »

well, I paid for one part. The course is divided for four parts. And after posts on this forum...I concider if it is worth it...

Well you could save yourself some money then and drop out. Most CCNPs are minted through self study anyway. You could invest the free time in finding some work.

greenerek

Turgon wrote: »

Well you could save yourself some money then and drop out. Most CCNPs are minted through self study anyway. You could invest the free time in finding some work.

I'm looking for work everywhere and soon hopefully I will find something. Which course do you think instead...active directory?

phantasm

greenerek wrote: »

I'm looking for work everywhere and soon hopefully I will find something. Which course do you think instead...active directory?

That all depends on what you want to do. Systems and Networking are related but two separate areas of concentration. I've seen plenty of Systems Admins with a CCNA but usually no higher. Beyond that, I've not seen many CCNP's with a Systems certification.

So it's up to you. Do you want to do systems work or networking?

greenerek

phantasm wrote: »

That all depends on what you want to do. Systems and Networking are related but two separate areas of concentration. I've seen plenty of Systems Admins with a CCNA but usually no higher. Beyond that, I've not seen many CCNP's with a Systems certification.

So it's up to you. Do you want to do systems work or networking?

Networking...so which certificate after CCNA I should get, what I need to learn?

phantasm

greenerek wrote: »

Networking...so which certificate after CCNA I should get, what I need to learn?

We're going in circles. Logically after a CCNA is the CCNP. But if you have no job experience, then a CCNP won't magically get you one. Refer back to my original post. It may actually hurt your chances of finding a job because you have NO experience. I would focus on finding a job for the time being and then persue the CCNP.

cisco_certs

greenerek wrote: »

Networking...so which certificate after CCNA I should get, what I need to learn?

nothing. find a NOC job first or cisco shops companies and apply CCNA.

mikej412

greenerek wrote: »

Networking...so which certificate after CCNA I should get, what I need to learn?

You need a job and experience.

Then you continue to learn what helps you keep that job and do that job better. Then after you've learned all that, you learn what will get you your next job (or promotion).

Turgon

mikej412 wrote: »

You need a job and experience.

Then you continue to learn what helps you keep that job and do that job better. Then after you've learned all that, you learn what will get you your next job (or promotion).

Yup. Get some work, further education choices go from there. You have a piece of paper that might get you a job. Now you need to begin learning the craft of becoming a network professional and that happens in the field. Ten years down the line you will remember your first job and how important it was to you as an apprentice engineer.

greenerek

Turgon wrote: »

Yup. Get some work, further education choices go from there. You have a piece of paper that might get you a job. Now you need to begin learning the craft of becoming a network professional and that happens in the field. Ten years down the line you will remember your first job and how important it was to you as an apprentice engineer.

Do you maybe have any idea what kind of job I should looking for? IT helpdesk? 2nd line Support? or maybe something else?

What I need to know, what kind of skills I have to have to get those kind of jobs? any typical requirements?

Thank you

Turgon

greenerek wrote: »

Do you maybe have any idea what kind of job I should looking for? IT helpdesk? 2nd line Support? or maybe something else?

What I need to know, what kind of skills I have to have to get those kind of jobs? any typical requirements?

Thank you

You should already have those skills as you are a CCNA. Throw in hardwork, patience, respect for your customers, peers, technical betters and boss and you are set. Apply for NOC jobs or other entry level networking jobs.

greenerek

Turgon wrote: »

Apply for NOC jobs or other entry level networking jobs.

what does NOC mean?

Mishra

greenerek wrote: »

what does NOC mean?

Network operations center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Turgon

greenerek wrote: »

what does NOC mean?

This is precisely why you need to get some field experience. You have a CCNA but do not understand what network engineering involves or where such work is carried out. Some of this is down to the limitations of certification tracks which do not emulate what *real* work actually entails. Regardless, start applying for some roles and try to get a start somewhere.

greenerek

Turgon wrote: »

This is precisely why you need to get some field experience. You have a CCNA but do not understand what network engineering involves or where such work is carried out. Some of this is down to the limitations of certification tracks which do not emulate what *real* work actually entails. Regardless, start applying for some roles and try to get a start somewhere.

Thank you, I know I just now have a theoretical knowledge and now I need get experience

greenerek

OK I've decided to continue my CCNP course because is being started already so I will have an opportunity to learn more , and obviously try to find a NOC job....but I see is not easy (((

Thx for advice...wish me luck :P

VAHokie56

greenerek wrote: »

OK I've decided to continue my CCNP course because is being started already so I will have an opportunity to learn more , and obviously try to find a NOC job....but I see is not easy (((

Thx for advice...wish me luck :P

If you are not working I would not turn down a help desk/desktop support position ether. Just get in there and prove your network knowledge and work your way into the network department. Good luck

greenerek

VAHokie56 wrote: »

If you are not working I would not turn down a help desk/desktop support position ether. Just get in there and prove your network knowledge and work your way into the network department. Good luck

thx I need it well, unfortunately I'm not working at the moment so yes I will not turn down any work It related , because what people suggest I need start from the bottom
I moron thought that CCNA will be enough to start carrer as a network associate , well I need to learn on my mistake

greenerek

Well, I considered again my option and decided to do BSc , hope that will help me on the IT market. Thx again for advice that all you gave me.