Already MCTS/MCITP for windows 7 administration...MCSA a quick logical step?
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Just want to get some acronyms and quick knowledge under my belt. Now that desktop engineering pays as well as server duties I have little interest in dealing with servers.
However, since I have already passed the 70-680 exam and have a Security+, I see that I only have 2 other exams to go to get the MCSA.
However fear does have the better of me in that I really have no aptitude or interest on the networking side.
I also hear that those exams are tough (at least one of them) and I am worried about passing them.
Any thoughts on whether or not I might want to pursue that path and maybe take the upgrade path for MCITP EA? Seems to me I won't have time to do that. It also seems to me that more employers know what an MCSA is rather than what an MCITP is but that may or may not last.
Thoughts?
Thanks
However, since I have already passed the 70-680 exam and have a Security+, I see that I only have 2 other exams to go to get the MCSA.
However fear does have the better of me in that I really have no aptitude or interest on the networking side.
I also hear that those exams are tough (at least one of them) and I am worried about passing them.
Any thoughts on whether or not I might want to pursue that path and maybe take the upgrade path for MCITP EA? Seems to me I won't have time to do that. It also seems to me that more employers know what an MCSA is rather than what an MCITP is but that may or may not last.
Thoughts?
Thanks
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For the MCSA, you would need the 290 and 291. 290 is easy, 291 is more difficult. You could do the MCSA and then get the MCITP:SA. There is time for getting the MCSA/MCSE still. I haven't heard anything about M$ retiring those exams yet. Name recognition for the MCITP certs continues to grow and many employers are familiar with them.
As far as networking, if you are going to work in IT, you need to be be comfortable with networking. Aptitude can be worked with, but if you are not interested in networking, there are lots of other areas to try out.
Technet is an excellent place to start to view those comparisons:
Windows Server
CWTS, then WireShark
Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Rather than spending money and time on certs that will retire any day now, you could spend that same energy and resources on another Microsoft Technology like Exchange, SQL Server, or perhaps go the Cisco route with a CCNA.
As I stated earlier, I've been dealing with Microsoft Servers since NT....2008 MCITP:EA will be the first time I get certified in MS technology and that's only to satisfy both a college degree and prior commitments to myself. Some of you weren't even hitting puberty when I was configuring my first Compaq Proliant server as part of a Citrix farm back in 1997.
The goal is to go forward, not backward.
Microsoft Certification Exam Development l New Certification Exams l Discontinued IT Exams
Microsoft has made the announcement for June 30th of 2012, and neither the 290 or the 291 are on the list. I learned a lot of things from these exams. Like you said, the goal is to go forward, and for someone who just needs to get some stuff on paper it would be moving forward.
Thanks for the info. Now I know what to look out for. I will probably skip the SA since the exams appear to be going bye bye in 2012.
I respectfully disagree with a need to be comfortable working with networking. I have been in the IT field for 13 years and I am terrible with Networking. I got my Network+ long ago but the bubble burst back then and just got comfortable with the Client Side after not being able to convince anyone of my Networking aptitude. I forgot everything that I learned because there was no opportunity to work it. Actually, I am enjoying the Server side as I look at 290. I am actually loving it. All of the mysteries are making sense and it is not as difficult as I thought.
Excellent presentation. I still don't feel (personally) that it is a step backwards since I can go down the 2008 MCITP EA route pretty easily from there.
I know what you are saying and I am respectfully taking it under advisement. At least one of my collegues felt the same way as you but I explained my thought process and he now seems to agree.
I guess I am just a little bit different than most. Thanks for your time.
I agree here, after a 10+ year of being certification resistant, I am on a roll. The big thing is that I already have hardware that can run 2003 server ok but not 2008 server. Since I have to foot the cost of these certs on my own, I prefer to take advantage of what I have already and then if I can work my way into something that pays more I can invest in better hardware.
Are you saying that you can't even describe the OSI model, at a bare mininum? Good luck with the 291, then. I just finished taking the 70-642 which is more or less the same as the 291 as far as simple networking goes (642 more heavily into IPv6, of course, but there's a LOT of IPv4 stuff that you have to know....much like the 291).
Remember this: Networking is the heart of IT...you can't even do help desk in a lot of shops without having, at a minimium, a basic understanding of networking. No, you don't need to be a Cisco guy to do IT, but good luck trying to specialize in something (Databases, Exchange, whatever) without knowing how a network works.
At the very least, don't ever say in an interview you're terrible with networking.
DC Metro is one of the best places in the country to be in for IT...your shop might be 2K3, but others will be going (if they're not there yet) the 2K8 route. If you're gonna be at your shop for another 13 years and they won't be upgrading soon, then heck, go get your MCSE.
In truth, prior to going to WGU, like you and many others, I was also certification resistant. However, when WGU dropped the MCSE for the MCITP:EA, I was left with very little options. At least the MCITP:EA would be a somewhat equivalent of a MCSE and my resume will speak for itself on my 2K3 experience.
Yes that is accurate. There was a time when I could describe the OSI model (some 10 years ago). However, the area that I lived in at the time (South Florida) had very little opportunity. So after interviewing many times and not being tri-lingual I just put it aside and explored other areas of IT (the client side). I work for the government now, so the server OS are going to be all over the place e.g. newer or older than the private sector.
So are you saying that I can't pick up a basic understanding of networking while studying for the 70-291? Would I need to use other resources during that course of study? I like to keep it simple.
You won't be able to maintain servers or applications without a basic understanding of networking, period.
You need to know how to subnet, you need to know the different classes of networking addresses. Mind you, in the real world you'll use a subnetting calculator if you have to, but for the exams, you don't have that option.
If you have a SQL database, you need to know what port has to be available on that server and what to open on the firewall (1433...fyi).
It just shocked the ---- out of me that you would just say how networking isn't important for an IT professional. Especially when A+ exams from the 300 series (when I took it) have a good number of questions just related to networking....
BTW, as someone who works for government also, there a number of us who can still remember the OSI model forwards and backwards....the same mneumonic device that helped me remember it is still used by me til this very day.
I am going to have to respectfully disagree with your respectful disagreement
If someone brought you a laptop and said "I could connect to the network yesterday, but not today" what would you do? Check the network configuration. That happened to me yesterday. I checked the settings, saw they were incorrect for our site, adjusted them, and it worked.
I think you will be limiting your education by not wanting to learn networking.
Perhaps you could take the newest Net+ exam to get your feet wet again and then move on. The EA will probably be more network-intensive than the MCSA/E.
Shocked or not, I have met many people in the IT who hardly knew what an icon on desktop was. These were network engineers on our team. Often times it is who you know not what you know. That is a simple indisputable fact. If something is not used it is lost. If it did not apply based upon my job title(s) I had no need to bother with it. I have survived 13 years without performing any real networking or remembering the OSI model.
Also have to say that I am not afraid to let potential employers know exactly what I do know or do not know during an interview. I have gained respect by disclosing what I do and do not know and sometimes have even earned a job.
There is definitely more to IT than networking, and networking is not a pre-requisite to working in IT. Seeing is believing and I have seen it time and time again.
That's just fine.