Recruiters

CEH2B

I had about 3 recruiters call me about the same job at one of the fortune 500 company. They each offering different pay rates and benefits. One of them mentioned that if someone else has already submitted my resume to this company, I should let him know otherwise my submitted resume will be put on hold and won't get to the hiring manager. I am just thinking, this is nonsense !! another one of those monkey tricks by recruiters. Can someone verify this.....

dave330i

CEH2B wrote: »

I had about 3 recruiters call me about the same job at one of the fortune 500 company. They each offering different pay rates and benefits. One of them mentioned that if someone else has already submitted my resume to this company, I should let him know otherwise my submitted resume will be put on hold and won't get to the hiring manager. I am just thinking, this is nonsense !! another one of those monkey tricks by recruiters. Can someone verify this.....

Nope. Not nonsense.

networker050184

What do you want verified? Its not uncommon for a company to reach out to multiple agencies if thats what you are asking.

YuckTheFankees

I wouldnt trust them at all.

Essendon

What the other posters have said is correct. Why a company would pay multiple recruiters for the same position completes escapes me. Understandable if they are hiring a new CEO, but for anything less than that - I wouldnt pay multiple agencies.

Everyone

Essendon wrote: »

What the other posters have said is correct. Why a company would pay multiple recruiters for the same position completes escapes me. Understandable if they are hiring a new CEO, but for anything less than that - I wouldnt pay multiple agencies.

They don't get paid unless they find someone. Not at all uncommon for multiple agencies to be looking for a single position at the same company.

You definitely do NOT want more than 1 to submit your resume, you will NOT get the job if that happens. Too hard to figure out who should get paid if your resume comes from more than 1 recruiter, so instead of trying to figure that out, your resume just gets tossed out.

cyberguypr

Ah, the joy of recruiters. BTW, welcome to TE.

it_consultant

cyberguypr wrote: »

Ah, the joy of recruiters. BTW, welcome to TE.

I just turned down a job at $50 an hour because I was suspicious of the recruiting firm. Might have been stupid but I just haven't had great experiences with recruiters.

Everyone

it_consultant wrote: »

I just turned down a job at $50 an hour because I was suspicious of the recruiting firm. Might have been stupid but I just haven't had great experiences with recruiters.

Cut out the middle man and bring in 3-4x that.

Turgon

CEH2B wrote: »

I had about 3 recruiters call me about the same job at one of the fortune 500 company. They each offering different pay rates and benefits. One of them mentioned that if someone else has already submitted my resume to this company, I should let him know otherwise my submitted resume will be put on hold and won't get to the hiring manager. I am just thinking, this is nonsense !! another one of those monkey tricks by recruiters. Can someone verify this.....

In the UK once a recruiter puts you in for a job then another cant. You can only say if this has happened for sure if the recruiter you are talking to tells you who the company is. So ask him who it is.

DigitalZeroOne

It's not necessarily the recruiting companies fault for not wanting a double submit of a candidate. The client (The actual hiring company that has the job), does not want a double submit, so it is important to let a recruiting company know if you have been submitted for another job from another firm.

The best options to take are:

1. Ask the company what type of relationship they have with the client, ask how many people that they have placed with the client.
2. Try and go with a big name company that you have heard of, they may have a long standing relationship with the client. (not always the case, but it's a good measuring stick)
3. Get the rates for the job from all recruiting companies, and if one is lower, ask for more money. Usually the recruiting companies gets a large amount of the contract money, so you can ask for more.
4. While it is possible to get hired directly with a company, the fastest way would probably be through a recruiter because they already have the names and direct routes to the hiring managers.

Lastly, just because the recruiting company gets a large amount of money and then pay you, it does not mean that if you cut out the recruiter that you will get all the extra money. I have a friend that needs an Admin Assistant, they are paying a recruiting company now about $20-25 an hour to fill the position, but when they find someone permanent, the most that they can pay is $12 an hour. Usually the reason recruiting companies get so much off the top is because they do all the leg work, they "usually" get the qualified people, they do the screening, so they help relieve the client of having to go through weeks or months of an interview process, so it's worth it to pay for that time. Also, the contract is usually on a short term basis, and depending on the type of contract, it may be temporary anyway. If it's temp to perm, the client has to wait for a specified amount of time before they can bring you on, otherwise, they would have to "buy" that person out of their contract with the recruiting firm.

Everyone

DigitalZeroOne wrote: »

Lastly, just because the recruiting company gets a large amount of money and then pay you, it does not mean that if you cut out the recruiter that you will get all the extra money. I have a friend that needs an Admin Assistant, they are paying a recruiting company now about $20-25 an hour to fill the position, but when they find someone permanent, the most that they can pay is $12 an hour. Usually the reason recruiting companies get so much off the top is because they do all the leg work, they "usually" get the qualified people, they do the screening, so they help relieve the client of having to go through weeks or months of an interview process, so it's worth it to pay for that time. Also, the contract is usually on a short term basis, and depending on the type of contract, it may be temporary anyway. If it's temp to perm, the client has to wait for a specified amount of time before they can bring you on, otherwise, they would have to "buy" that person out of their contract with the recruiting firm.

Staffing Firm and Recruiting Firm are NOT the same thing, although there are quite a few companies that perform both services.

Big thing to ask is if it is a "direct hire". If it's a contract, you will work for the Staffing/Recruiting agency.

I personally don't like contract or contract-to-hire recruiters. They will try to get you the lowest salary they can, because they make more off you that way. They may charge their client $100/hr and only pay you $30/hr. I turn 90% of these down.

I love working with recruiters for direct hire positions though. These are the ones that will actually have YOUR best interest in mind, because your best interest is also theirs. For direct hire, they get a commission off of you based on the salary that is offered to you if you take the job. The hire the salary they can get for you, the more money they make.

DigitalZeroOne

Everyone wrote: »

Staffing Firm and Recruiting Firm are NOT the same thing, although there are quite a few companies that perform both services.

Yes, that is true, the point I was making is that someone is not going to be able to cut out the middle person, and then get all the extra pay. They can probably make more, but they won't all of the money that the middle person was getting.

Everyone

DigitalZeroOne wrote: »

Yes, that is true, the point I was making is that someone is not going to be able to cut out the middle person, and then get all the extra pay. They can probably make more, but they won't all of the money that the middle person was getting.

You can make all of the money the middle man was making if you do it right. However you will NOT make it by simply getting hired and going to work for the company. You have to work for yourself to accomplish it. It isn't easy, and not for everyone.

JockVSJock

Find out what company it is and just submit your resume directly.

esswok

I apply directly to the hiring job announcement at the firm’s own website. I like to check out what kind of position I am applying for.(location, benefits) and with whom it will be. Often, most always, after arecruiter contacts me, I check out what they say and they are usually packed full of lies. I have many resume's being reviewed, pending, and under investigation.

I have been on several, interviews but I never used (my opinion), a fly-by-night, bottom feeding, no talent, word slurring, 30 second godaddy web page building recruiter.
I worked real hard to get my certs, buy my books, pay my tuition, and fees, no way one of those PS3 playing F-18 pilots are going to share my baby’s savings.
I just don’t get the point of a recruiter
(Example): I am looking at the Washington Post, Simplyhired,,,.
GDIT, CACI, or SAIC run an add.
I should go through a recruiter???
WHY, When I apply for a FED job do recruiters ever help?
no.
why not?
They are not allowed.
why FED jobs suck? NO recruiters suck the garbage off the bottem of my shoe. < (my opinion again).

kiki162

CEH2B wrote: »

I had about 3 recruiters call me about the same job at one of the fortune 500 company. They each offering different pay rates and benefits. One of them mentioned that if someone else has already submitted my resume to this company, I should let him know otherwise my submitted resume will be put on hold and won't get to the hiring manager. I am just thinking, this is nonsense !! another one of those monkey tricks by recruiters. Can someone verify this.....

I can't stand recruiters. Last time I had one call me, it was for a position that required a clearance. Since I had one at the time, the stupid recruiter wanted my SSN number to verify it. I told him that the only person that needs that information is your security officer or HR person and not you, giving that information out is crazy IMHO. So he had the security chick call me, tried calling back and got no response...then the next day, no response from him. Got the run around, and dropped it. Needless to say you don't need to be giving that type of information so carelessly over the phone to anyone.

My 2 cents...go to the company directly, and bypass the middleman!

dave330i

JockVSJock wrote: »

Find out what company it is and just submit your resume directly.

Positions listed to recruiters usually aren't posted on company site. Also from my experience, larger companies prefer to hire temp to perm vs. direct.

esswok

dave330i wrote: »

Positions listed to recruiters usually aren't posted on company site. Also from my experience, larger companies prefer to hire temp to perm vs. direct.

since everything is now highly regulated, eg: non-racial,non-prejudice, listing with a recruiter only is unfair, illegal, and prejudice.To do so would then be subjected to investigation, litigation and penalties. Hiringfrom within does still happen, but to blatantly disregard all regulations,seems that only an elementary thought processing individual would believe this.

Everyone

esswok wrote: »

since everything is now highly regulated, eg: non-racial,non-prejudice, listing with a recruiter only is unfair, illegal, and prejudice.To do so would then be subjected to investigation, litigation and penalties. Hiringfrom within does still happen, but to blatantly disregard all regulations,seems that only an elementary thought processing individual would believe this.

You're a little off and out of touch with reality.

esswok

Everyone wrote: »

You're a little off and out of touch with reality.

I don’t think so,
don’t you see and sense all the politically,and legally correct wording from every application that you fill out?



I think I am in touch just fine

blargoe

esswok wrote: »

I don’t think so,
don’t you see and sense all the politically,and legally correct wording from every application that you fill out?



I think I am in touch just fine

???????

dave330i

esswok wrote: »

since everything is now highly regulated, eg: non-racial,non-prejudice, listing with a recruiter only is unfair, illegal, and prejudice.To do so would then be subjected to investigation, litigation and penalties. Hiringfrom within does still happen, but to blatantly disregard all regulations,seems that only an elementary thought processing individual would believe this.

Why do you think most positions recruiters call you about are "temporary" positions?

esswok

blargoe wrote: »

???????

My single recent attachment example may not be simplistically 100% clear: the point is HR follows protocol exactly.
Why?
Because they are all just sweet?
No. it is legal procedure. You think that who ever sent me that email from the state department gives a rats ass I am happy or informed? Of course they don’t it isprocedure though. Legal procedure to keep them from getting sued by hippies, Ecofreaks, degenerate loser’s, and yes recruiters.

esswok

My friend is an engineer with a major metropolitan city transit system in the USA. He says that they do not staff full time ccnp, but if they need one they just call the local consultant down the road. If you want to be a temp or a sub just go apply at a consulting firm.

blargoe

I'm still not getting how this is prejudice or racism?

esswok

just did a google on hiring this link
has some good stuff about the processes.
also check down toward the bottom of the aticle about laws

Employee Hiring Law & Legal Definition