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it_consultant wrote: » I use vCloud director and I have been using cloud tools for years. In my experience, people laid off ostensibly because of the "the cloud" had jobs that were unnecessary with or without the cloud. Our jobs are going to India because, to be blunt, they are better tech workers than we are. I was sitting at dinner and a non-IT friend said something like "I heard on the radio that in 10 years all programming will be in India" and I said "Sweetheart, we are already there". The reality is that we all have to be better, as ptilsen points out, even with cloud services there is still work to be done. Instead of maintaining a lot of internal systems, you maintain a few internal systems and highly available internet pipes.
networker050184 wrote: » Not another one of these threads.... Keep on your toes and stay ahead of the curve and you have nothing to worry about. Become stagnant with your knowledge and you will be out of a job regardless of this whole cloud deal.
erpadmin wrote: » This isn't instilling fear into the heart of management...it's just reality.
RobertKaucher wrote: » I looove these long-winded-what-the-future-may-hold threads!
tpatt100 wrote: » Only thing I fear are Cylons.
cknapp78 wrote: » Depends on which Cylon you are talking about Holy off topic Batman.
tpatt100 wrote: » Google is making a self driving car, next thing you know the car gets artificial intelligence, then next thing you know the car develops the ability to change into robots!
it_consultant wrote: » I think OP, like he said, was talking with some emotion. It is hard to see people get laid off. However, I doubt that the "cloud" as it were, was really the factor in their terminations.
tpatt100 wrote: » It might be, when I was working for the City they were pushing Citrix to reduce desktop calls for all the remote sites. When I rolled that out we never did hire that extra desktop support tech. Then I heard a couple of years ago they were looking at a hosted application solution to further consolidate everything else.
And only 1.17 million of these jobs will be seen in North America. A majority of these jobs will be found in emerging markets — 10 million will arise in China, India and the Asia-Pacific region. This is mainly due to the immense size of these country’s workforces — 1.2 billion workers in China and India alone, the study report observes.
tpatt100 wrote: » I see the expanding markets part but the US needs to find ways to provide incentives for US companies to keep some of them here in the US. If China and such expand US companies might see big advantages hosting over there as well.
zenhound wrote: » Whoops, iPhone screwed me up. I was just going to say that as far as globalization vs protectionism, I think the data is all over the place. Some of the most prosperous times in American history have been under protected tariff policies. And Ireland is even a really mixed example with much of its boom being illusory after the real estate bubble. I think Krugman has written some stuff about how its GDP is deceptive as well since a lot of the profitable businesses (his example was pharmaceuticals) are foreign owned and just end up moving their profits out of country. Economics is one of those "sciences" where you can really find data to justify whatever your pre-existing beliefs are so nothing is ever really clear. Or at least there are enough interested parties with enough invested in clouding the issue so as to support their preferred policies.
Asif Dasl wrote: » Absolutely GDP can be deceptive, it's hard to compare like with like with all of the different variables in each country. But it is basic economic indicator. Sorry I should have put my earlier statement about people living in urban areas a different way - I meant based on Internet speeds. Unless a new technology appears which can get big speeds to the 'last mile' for everybody (not a small minority) then I can't see us living in the cloud and certainly not streaming 8K movies over the internet. There are many people who live in urban areas but get "rural" internet speeds. An interesting geeky read - The State Of The Internet Report
higherho wrote: » This reminds me of "on live" the video game service. trying to stream 720p at 60 fps a second is really difficult not to mention 1080p and this is just video, what about HD audio. The cloud is going to be here and its very helpful but I think its going to cost individuals more in the long run to run everything in the cloud (because services will charge and arm and a leg).
Novalith478 wrote: » When people go and bash protectionism, they usually look at the Depression to prove their point. People forget that the depression was largely created because of rapid economic boom and the development of debt for the everyday person. The depression largely consisted of a lack of understanding in terms of people not understanding what economic concepts mean. It happened in 2000 with the dotcom crisis, and it happened in 2008 when the housing market collapsed. What people also forget is that we're not really "creating wealth". I've talked to people in India, and Taiwan, who work in this industry over there. Wealth is by far a relative term. Over in India, people get paid barely what minimum wage is here, and that's a good salary for them. Meanwhile here, people lose their jobs, which creates poverty here. It's not always a question of people doing something relevant in their life. If their entire life has been spent training in a certain industry, and then that industry dies in a little under 5 years, that's not that person's fault. It's not like the technology is radically changing, companies are just taking advantage of poorer people elsewhere, to outsource their business. For example, let's say half of the US clothing companies brought their manufacturing back to the US. The amount of jobs available would sky rocket, and the economy would probably not be in such bad shape as is now. But everyone hopped on the globalisation bandwagon in the 90's, and corporations saw it as a major money maker. The relative wealth of poorer nations (Mexico, China, Taiwan, India, etc) is marginally improving, but at the same the US economy is tanking, and so is the job market.
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