Tips on breaking into the industry / Being successful
filkenjitsu
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Hey, just wanted to share what I have learned over the last 3 years. You guys may already know this, but just wanted to repeat it in case anyone finds it useful.
College / Degrees:
Just decide on what you want to do. Do you want to do Computer science/engineering or do IT work? If you want CS you can do full accredited bachelors degrees online or go to a traditional school. http://www.degreeinfo.com is a good place to look, great message board. If you want to do IT, IS, Security, etc, you can usually get associates degrees from local community colleges and IS at certain 4 year colleges. Also you can complete many of the programs 100% online from reputable schools such as Harvard ALM and The university of Illinois. My advice is to at least get an associates, probably want to get a bachelors, good idea for a master eventually. At least an associates though.
Certifications:
Well, there are many more informed people on here than me about this, but entry level ones are great for breaking into your first IT job, A+, Net+, MCDST, MCSA (kinda entry level), CCNA (kinda entry level). At least try to get those. Then specialize. I will not go into it. but you can go into any specialization you want. but at least try to get 3, 4, or all 5 of the above certs. It is a good match with your associates degree.
Experience:
Ok, it took me a bit to get experience, but here is what I did. Started on the lowly Techsupport/helpdesk side for a DSL provider, good exp., good stepping stone for a more advance position (or you could move up to different Tiers in the company). Needed more exp. so jumped on local Volunteer opp. for PC Repair technician., eventually got another tech job doing telecommunications help desk from there, lots of opportunities to move up here while they are paying for my education.
Let me stress this: Everyone I interview with really likes that I do volunteer work. I put it on my resume just like a job, not hidden on the bottom, I mention I am a volunteer non-paid associate. Does not matter they like that I do this in my spare time for free.
here is what you do, go to Google, type in your city name then type Non Profit organization, you will usually get a website with a list of links provided from your local governments websites. Prepare a canned or personalized email with your resume attached and send it out to all of the NPO's saying that you would be glad to work for free and volunteer using your IT skills to help their organization. I just recently did this and got interesting offers to get exp doing many tasks I have never been paid to do before = EXP ON RESUME!!!!!! It is great to also to talk with some of the associate pastors at your local church and see if they need any Volunteer IT people at their organization. This is a great place to get EXP.
Online Job sites:
Read this site - awesome site!!
http://www.rileyguide.com/
All online job boards.. all of them on one list with descriptions... ALL OF THEM. - http://www.rileyguide.com/multiple.html
Ok, Make a great resume, make a great cover letter template and a general cover letter explaining your goals and experience and why people should hire you, do not have to make it tailor made for each job because you will use it on the job sites in the cover letter section to describe yourself. Ok, now go over that list, make an account on each and ever site, sign up for them to send you a daily automatic job alert by email showing you every computer job that comes up new. This will put your resume out to thousands of peeps and you will know about every job opportunity that goes public in your local area. nice eh? Even if you do not have your degree completed or certs completed or just have minimal volunteer exp. put yourself out there.
Check your local paper and their online site every week for new positions, sometimes this is the only place these jobs are posted.
www.rileyguide.com also has a list of TONS of recruiters and temp agencies, get all of their auto job emails and sign up at each one. You are BOUND to get a job somewhere if you do this.
You would be surprised at how many jobs no one every hears about because they did not check the right job board, some companies only use certain small job boards, etc.
say you do all this and you want to go EXTREME, sign up for Resume blaster, pay a 1 time fee to have your resume sent out to every recruiter in the country, region, etc. it costs money and is not free like the above, but with all this exposure I am sure you will break into the industry with some kind of IT job to use as a stepping stone.
Well, that is all I have, just thought I would spread the info I have learned.
College / Degrees:
Just decide on what you want to do. Do you want to do Computer science/engineering or do IT work? If you want CS you can do full accredited bachelors degrees online or go to a traditional school. http://www.degreeinfo.com is a good place to look, great message board. If you want to do IT, IS, Security, etc, you can usually get associates degrees from local community colleges and IS at certain 4 year colleges. Also you can complete many of the programs 100% online from reputable schools such as Harvard ALM and The university of Illinois. My advice is to at least get an associates, probably want to get a bachelors, good idea for a master eventually. At least an associates though.
Certifications:
Well, there are many more informed people on here than me about this, but entry level ones are great for breaking into your first IT job, A+, Net+, MCDST, MCSA (kinda entry level), CCNA (kinda entry level). At least try to get those. Then specialize. I will not go into it. but you can go into any specialization you want. but at least try to get 3, 4, or all 5 of the above certs. It is a good match with your associates degree.
Experience:
Ok, it took me a bit to get experience, but here is what I did. Started on the lowly Techsupport/helpdesk side for a DSL provider, good exp., good stepping stone for a more advance position (or you could move up to different Tiers in the company). Needed more exp. so jumped on local Volunteer opp. for PC Repair technician., eventually got another tech job doing telecommunications help desk from there, lots of opportunities to move up here while they are paying for my education.
Let me stress this: Everyone I interview with really likes that I do volunteer work. I put it on my resume just like a job, not hidden on the bottom, I mention I am a volunteer non-paid associate. Does not matter they like that I do this in my spare time for free.
here is what you do, go to Google, type in your city name then type Non Profit organization, you will usually get a website with a list of links provided from your local governments websites. Prepare a canned or personalized email with your resume attached and send it out to all of the NPO's saying that you would be glad to work for free and volunteer using your IT skills to help their organization. I just recently did this and got interesting offers to get exp doing many tasks I have never been paid to do before = EXP ON RESUME!!!!!! It is great to also to talk with some of the associate pastors at your local church and see if they need any Volunteer IT people at their organization. This is a great place to get EXP.
Online Job sites:
Read this site - awesome site!!
http://www.rileyguide.com/
All online job boards.. all of them on one list with descriptions... ALL OF THEM. - http://www.rileyguide.com/multiple.html
Ok, Make a great resume, make a great cover letter template and a general cover letter explaining your goals and experience and why people should hire you, do not have to make it tailor made for each job because you will use it on the job sites in the cover letter section to describe yourself. Ok, now go over that list, make an account on each and ever site, sign up for them to send you a daily automatic job alert by email showing you every computer job that comes up new. This will put your resume out to thousands of peeps and you will know about every job opportunity that goes public in your local area. nice eh? Even if you do not have your degree completed or certs completed or just have minimal volunteer exp. put yourself out there.
Check your local paper and their online site every week for new positions, sometimes this is the only place these jobs are posted.
www.rileyguide.com also has a list of TONS of recruiters and temp agencies, get all of their auto job emails and sign up at each one. You are BOUND to get a job somewhere if you do this.
You would be surprised at how many jobs no one every hears about because they did not check the right job board, some companies only use certain small job boards, etc.
say you do all this and you want to go EXTREME, sign up for Resume blaster, pay a 1 time fee to have your resume sent out to every recruiter in the country, region, etc. it costs money and is not free like the above, but with all this exposure I am sure you will break into the industry with some kind of IT job to use as a stepping stone.
Well, that is all I have, just thought I would spread the info I have learned.
CISSP, CCNA SP
Bachelors of Science in Telecommunications - Mt. Sierra College
Masters of Networking and Communications Management, Focus in Wireless - Keller
Bachelors of Science in Telecommunications - Mt. Sierra College
Masters of Networking and Communications Management, Focus in Wireless - Keller
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filkenjitsu Member Posts: 564 ■■■■□□□□□□oh yea, make sure to go back to all of your previous employers and get some letters of recommendation you can attach to your resumeCISSP, CCNA SP
Bachelors of Science in Telecommunications - Mt. Sierra College
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my_id_0308 Member Posts: 171great advice and tips filkenjitsu!!!...that is something i would like to do while doing my studies cause i have 5 months free time so might want to look for exprerience..so your advices helps a lot so thank you so much!!!!
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filkenjitsu Member Posts: 564 ■■■■□□□□□□thanks, it is just stuff I have used to find work and get some of my friends work.
resumeblaster is great to get your resume out for those jobs you never see posted that recruiters have. it is worth the money.
I have a phone interview with a non-profitt tommorrow morning to see what I can do to help them with their IT department.... NON paid of course, but this may be the only way I can get this experience. It is only a couple hours a week!
ok, cool, found some awsome sites to link people up with Non profits and volunteer computer work for any state and coutnry. They are search engines and they are great
http://volunteers.baou.com/
http://www.volunteermatch.org/
http://www.idealist.org/CISSP, CCNA SP
Bachelors of Science in Telecommunications - Mt. Sierra College
Masters of Networking and Communications Management, Focus in Wireless - Keller -
filkenjitsu Member Posts: 564 ■■■■□□□□□□Got some contact back from an NPO, they want me to setup their wireless network and administer it. No pay, but where else could I get experience like this!CISSP, CCNA SP
Bachelors of Science in Telecommunications - Mt. Sierra College
Masters of Networking and Communications Management, Focus in Wireless - Keller -
dmbfanatpsu Member Posts: 35 ■■□□□□□□□□I just started doing some volunteer work as well. I am putting together an IT disaster recovery plan. I am also doing some security auditing and if I feel like it, I can give a shot at some PHP programing. Great experience!!!!
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filkenjitsu Member Posts: 564 ■■■■□□□□□□tttCISSP, CCNA SP
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filkenjitsu Member Posts: 564 ■■■■□□□□□□TTT (To The Top)CISSP, CCNA SP
Bachelors of Science in Telecommunications - Mt. Sierra College
Masters of Networking and Communications Management, Focus in Wireless - Keller -
filkenjitsu Member Posts: 564 ■■■■□□□□□□By sending emails to non profits i was able to help a Food Bank Install a wireless network, add a couple of computers to their network, and add the users and computers to their active directory server. I know that no one would have paid for me to do this without any kind of net admin experience, so it worked out great and now I have Active Directory experience in a corporate environment!CISSP, CCNA SP
Bachelors of Science in Telecommunications - Mt. Sierra College
Masters of Networking and Communications Management, Focus in Wireless - Keller -
filkenjitsu Member Posts: 564 ■■■■□□□□□□Man, this is from a long time ago, hope it can be useful to someoneCISSP, CCNA SP
Bachelors of Science in Telecommunications - Mt. Sierra College
Masters of Networking and Communications Management, Focus in Wireless - Keller -
phantasm Member Posts: 995Good info, I keep striking ou though. Non-profits want experience as well around me. lol."No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man." -Heraclitus
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Kikode Member Posts: 74 ■■□□□□□□□□Lol u cant even get ppl to hire you for free. Just kidding.
Great guide btw I to am searching for an entry level Job and I may have to settle for a tech support job until while I study for my Microsoft Cert. I may give the volunteer jobs a shot as I wouldnt mind helping the community anyway.