Windows 7 or 8

Want to get some Microsoft certifications but limited on funds. So i am not sure what to go to so im asking what you all think i should get certified in. MSCA windows 7 or MSCA Windows 8. Can only choose one.
I see windows 7 everywhere, I thought windows 8 will be more consumer based, and i want to eventually be able to be an network admin. trying to work my way up. So now looking for any type of IT job. So which one would you all suggest
I see windows 7 everywhere, I thought windows 8 will be more consumer based, and i want to eventually be able to be an network admin. trying to work my way up. So now looking for any type of IT job. So which one would you all suggest
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Based on what?
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Mark one down for Windows 8. This reminds me of the XP and Windows 7 conversations a few years ago.
I agree. People are always reluctant to change, but it will happen. People are especially hesitant with Win8 because its cloud based. But I assure you...that's the direction we are heading. I work for one of the largest organizations in the world (Dept of Defense), and I can already confirm that testing for prospects to move to Win8 are in the works.
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You may call Vista a flop (and it was to a large extent)... But even so...as a manager of an IT department that is running Win7...I'd be more inclined to hire someone with a Windows Vista certification, than a Windows XP certification. Even if Win8 does get skipped over...it will still most likely be closer to the style and build of the next operating system than Windows 7 will be.
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Also while the DoD (hardly what I'd call a Technology Leader) might be a pioneer for hopping on the Win8 band wagon, realistically I doubt it will end well.
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How does your perception about the lack of success of Vista have anything to do with Windows 8? Pointing to a single instance of a failed operating system hardly justifies a "historical trend." Seriously...that's about the worst use of inductive logic I've ever seen.
Is there an actual reason why you think it won't end well... You know, because of something to do with the actual operating system we are talking about...and not the single instance historical trend you keep referencing?
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I work for DoD as well. Our entire installation just migrated to Windows 7 last month. While I typically agree for the latest and greatest, I personally find Windows 7 certification to be more relevant in the Enterprise right now. While Windows 8 certification may be more "future-proofing", Windows 7 will likely yield a great range of opportunity right now/immediate future. Lots of agencies are still planning migration to Windows 7, coming from both XP and Vista. I know the DoD is testing Windows 8, but testing for Windows 7 was years ago, and we just migrated. Certain groups/tenant organizations will likely be in pilots and such, but in no way is the DoD Enterprise migrating any time soon.
Per 8570.01, in addition to the baseline IA certification, technicians with privileged access must obtain appropriate computing environment (CE) certifications for the operating systems they support. If someone with a Windows 8 cert applies for a DoD position in a Windows 7 environment, the Windows 8 certificate technically isn't valid and they would still need Windows 7 (IA manager discretion).
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Oh, and since you want Historical Trend here ya go.
Win 3.0 Greatly ebraced model of efficiency (for back then)
Win95 Skipped to many changes businesses uncertain about change
Win98 Most liked it fixed many flaws from 95 included several Security fixes
Win2000 Skipped again to unstable in an actual work environment
WinNT (I have only seen these in gov facilities)
WinXP (We know it we love it.)
== Both used but Xp more common since more secure, and eventually NT was phased out nd replaced by XP anyway
Vista Skipped, far to unstable, vendor approved, consumer rejected
Win7 Most companies are activly moving to this right now. and those same companies have no intention of grabbing 8
Win8 - So far still being ignored by most
Time will only tell.
So as you can from that, and from what I have observed only Xp has been the odd ball and broken the chain of Win-Fail-Win-Fail
I'm not as big fool though you think I might be.
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But regardless of all this, if we do bring it back to the original question of which cert to get...I'd say it is contingent upon what the OP is trying to achieve. If he is trying to get a foot in the door. Then I don't (and never did) dispute the fact that Win7 would be more valuable right now. However, if he is just knocking out a windows cert because he has money lying around for it...I'd still recommend the Windows 8 certification.
Even if Win8 is not adopted on mass scale. It will still be closer to the operating system that follows it, than Windows 7. Because of this, the Win8 certification will be more valuable long term. The integration of cloud functions into day-to-day operations is inevitiable. And while the interface may change...much of what makes up the Win8 build will remain in future windows OSs.
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I wasn't claiming that the Win8 cert was the better option for getting a current DOD job. Just pointing to the fact that testing is taking place to support my claim that it is too early to dismiss the possibility that Win 8 will just be skipped over.
Also, 8570 is going away in 2013. Scheduled to be replaced by DoDD 8140.
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Since the OP is limited on funds, and seems he is looking for any type of IT job, I would assume based off that criteria Windows 7 would be the most ideal in his circumstance.
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I don't think it will be skipped over by DoD either, considering the $617,000,000 contract. Just that it will take a while. I'm not against Windows 8 certification, just trying to figure out what is best in a certain scenario. I'm going to get Windows 8 certified myself.
Thanks for the 8140 reference. I'm going to have to check into that!
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Even if Windows 8 is bypassed, some of the new functionality may well be in the next Windows release, and you will have a head start (Good to know as much functionality as possible).
A big difference is the absence of the Start Menu in Windows 8. Therefore make sure you are comfortable navigating with and without a start menu, until it is completely phased out or brought back due to popular demand (Some 3rd party app will no doubt appear for this if it doesn’t come back).
Personally it makes no odds to me, however there is a lot more Windows 7 than 8 at the moment so you do need to be able to find your way around. You could always go the PowerShell route but that is personal preference and note that the PowerShell versions are different between Windows 7 (PowerShell v2) and Windows 8 (PowerShell v3 which again is just additional functionality).
Even if somebody goes down the Windows 7 route now, it won't make that much difference as you can just read the new Windows 8 features and try them out. The only other way to explain it is if you are familiar with MAC OS X, it is like going from 10.5 to 10.6 or 10.6 to 10.7 etc. They just provide additional features, not new OS architectures with major changes, so don't fret too much
Hope this helps
I'd be interested as well.. Although I have a feeling it hasn't been published as of yet.
In Progress: CJV1 (4 CU)
Transfered: WFV1, TJP1, CLC1, INC1, INT1, EUP1, EUC1, BVC1, GAC1, DHV1, DIV1, CWV1, CRV1, DEV1, CTV1, DJV1, IWC1, IWT1, CVV1, RIT1, CIC1, CJC1, TBP1, TCP1, EAV1, EBV1, TJC1, AGC1 (82 CU)
Completed: MGC1, TPV1, CUV1 (14 CU)
Remaining: BOV1, BNC1, TXP1, TXC1, TYP1, TPC1, SBT1, QZT1 (22 CU)
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I haven't really seen much on it either. I read it on SANS 8570 page. Not a lot of info there either though.
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Look under the section titled "Future of 8570"
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