Associate of ISC2 towards a CISSP Question.

LividPanda

I've been a long time reader of this forum and have just recently felt the need to ask a question as I am very confused.

Western Governors University has accepted me and I plan on starting as soon as tuition assistance funds become available again. I have called them asking if I only need to pass the CISSP exam as I won't have the required experience for another 2 years, or if I need to be a full fledged CISSP to submit it for transferable credits. On their site it just says CISSP, which I take to mean you need to have passed the CISSP exam and have the required experience, but when I call and speak to an actual person they say I only need to pass the exam and it doesn't matter if I am an Associate or a CISSP. So I submitted every piece of paperwork I have in regards to being able to prove I have passed the CISSP exam. They then responded with an email saying I need to provide a link from the ISC2 website for employers to use to verify credentials. This is all well and good but I won't show up in that because...you guessed it I am a petty Associate of ISC2. I then proceeded to call ISC2 and the lady told me, exact quote, "You can't tell anybody your an Associate of ISC2 because people will confuse it for an actual CISSP." In a way this makes sense and I understand but who takes an IT certification to keep it secret for 5 years? Also why do they say on the pdf for how and why you should become an associate, "Offers a career differentiator, with enhanced credibility and marketability." How am I supposed to do this if I am not allowed to tell anybody in any meaningful way? How is it a benefit then?

My questions are:

-Does WGU accept Associates of ISC2 towards a CISSP for credit?

-Assuming the above is true how do I prove to WGU I've passed the exam?

-What are the benefits of being an Associate of ISC2 if I can't tell anybody? (ex. resume, college credits etc)

instant000

Is your issue
(1) that the Associate status cannot be verified, or
(2) the Associate status does not specify that it is for CISSP?

Let me know what you get after punching your info in on this page:

https://webportal.isc2.org/custom/CertificationVerification.aspx

LividPanda

instant000 wrote: »

Is your issue
(1) that the Associate status cannot be verified, or
(2) the Associate status does not specify that it is for CISSP?

Let me know what you get after punching your info in on this page:

https://webportal.isc2.org/custom/CertificationVerification.aspx

I sent WGU the piece of paper saying I passed as well as numerous other forms and emails, how else can they verify I am an Associate?

When I put in my information I get a screen saying Not Found.

emerald_octane

Sorry, associate of isc2 toward CISSP does not work for entrance or credit; I already tried and failed but got in through the experience requirement. If you're short , the CCNA might be the quickest way in. You cannot verify against the online verification process because the associate of isc2 toward CISSP title is a designation. There is no guarantee that one would be awarded full the full CISSP credential after the 6 year time limit is up (for anyone who is unsure, an associate of isc2 toward cissp has six years from pass notification to get the required experience).

I've posted about the agony and ecstasy of "Associate of ISC^2" status before so I wont repeat but in short, imo its great to let current employers know that you're serious about security as well as for ISC2 to get more AMF fees. You get invited to ISC^2 events but really that's it.

LividPanda

emerald_octane wrote: »

Sorry, associate of isc2 toward CISSP does not work for entrance or credit; I already tried and failed but got in through the experience requirement. If you're short , the CCNA might be the quickest way in. You cannot verify against the online verification process because the associate of isc2 toward CISSP title is a designation. There is no guarantee that one would be awarded full the full CISSP credential after the 6 year time limit is up (for anyone who is unsure, an associate of isc2 toward cissp has six years from pass notification to get the required experience).

I've posted about the agony and ecstasy of "Associate of ISC^2" status before so I wont repeat but in short, imo its great to let current employers know that you're serious about security as well as for ISC2 to get more AMF fees. You get invited to ISC^2 events but really that's it.

I've already been accepted on the merit of my Sec+ thankfully but I was hoping it could knock out some of the classes. That's a shame.

In regards to being able to tell employers the lady I spoke to at ISC2 made it seem fairly clear I wasn't allowed to claim I have an ISC2 Associate towards anything in any meaningful way. "You can't tell anybody your an Associate of ISC2 because people will confuse it for an actual CISSP." is what she said verbatim, I actually wrote it down and asked her to repeat herself because it seemed contradictory to many things on their website and didn't make any sense. Whats the point of getting it if I can't tell anybody? Or for that matter what's the point of any title ever if you can't tell anybody...that's not a title, that's a $600, 250 question, 6 hour long, $35 annual maintenance fee, secret.

DoubleNNs

You're not allowed to list "Associate of (ISC)2 for CISSP" on your resume?
You sure?

LividPanda

DoubleNNs wrote: »

You're not allowed to list "Associate of (ISC)2 for CISSP" on your resume?
You sure?

That's my thought, but the lady said, and I asked her twice "You can't tell anybody your an Associate of ISC2 because people will confuse it for an actual CISSP." Which does not make any sense...

broli720

The proper designation according to ISC2 is "Associate of ISC2 towards CISSP". You are allowed to list that on your resume...

DoubleNNs

Bad customer service rep?

JDMurray

broli720 wrote: »

The proper designation according to ISC2 is "Associate of ISC2 towards CISSP".

You know, at one point that was clearly stated on isc2.org, but damn if I can find it now.

Joel Goldstein

broli720 wrote: »

The proper designation according to ISC2 is "Associate of ISC2 towards CISSP". You are allowed to list that on your resume...

This is incorrect. The current policy on this is that the proper designation is simply "Associate of (ISC)2" and you can list that on your resume. You cannot add "towards CISSP" on your resume. Employers can call (ISC)2 to verify that you're a current Associate of (ISC)2 or you can show the e-mail you receive upon becoming one.