Sick of WGU. Withdraw?



  • IristheangelIristheangel CCIEx2 (Sec + DC), CCNP RS, CCNA V/S/R/DC, CISSP, CEH, MCSE 2003, A+/L+/N+/S+, and a lot more from m Pasadena, CAMod Posts: 4,124 Mod
    I feel your pain, Cyber. Halfway through my MSISA, I was bored out of my mind and was not learning anything new. I have countless posts on here where I was venting about how annoyed I was with the content of the MSISA degre. If I wasn't halfway through, I probably would have quit.

    At this point, if you're halfway through I would say go for a finish. Even though it's frustrating to be spending money on not learning anything new. At the end of the day, you could always pick up some courses on Edx or CourseRA to keep you engaged with something interesting.
    BS, MS, and CCIE #50931
  • olaHaloolaHalo Member Posts: 748 ■■■■□□□□□□
    Im glad Im not the only one who dreads talking to my mentor
    So fake and generic every week

    If I were in your shoes I would just suck it up and finish.
  • veritas_libertasveritas_libertas CISSP, GIAC x5, CompTIA x5 Greenville, SC USAMember Posts: 5,735 ■■■■■■■■■■
    I would just get it out of the way.
    Currently working on: Linux and Python
  • McNinjaMcNinja Member Posts: 22 ■□□□□□□□□□
    cyberguypr wrote: »
    Dang, that's a lot of feedback. Thanks a lot for the insightful answers.

    I want to clarify that I'm not saying that WGU, my mentor, or anything else (other than the stupid EC Council certs) suck. All I am saying is that it sucks for ME. I completely understand the need to establish some goals, provide guidance, fulfill accreditation requirements etc. I just wish they had an alternate system for people who don't need the hand holding.

    In regards to my mentor/cheerleader, I don't think she's bad (initials are SG). Honestly I can't pinpoint anything she could do better. I am sure I would be equally annoyed by any other mentor. The only thing that would be ideal in my book would be to see an alternative to the mentor concept. I am sure it's not going anywhere anytime soon and that's perfectly fine as it seems to work for a lot of peeps or they at least tolerate it. It just makes me miserable and nothing can change that. Again, it's me, not them.

    Da_vato suggested another better/more expensive masters program. That has always been my mid-term goal since day one. I will never go for a PhD but do want a better masters. Now that I am at a place with tuition reimbursement, I see this happening a few years down the road.

    I going to try another mentor and see what happens. Right now I'm 70% inclined to keep going.
    I'd say just keep going. I've had plenty of boring classes/instructors, but you have to think about what your opportunity cost for leaving the program - namely that it would take you longer and cost you more to finish, unless you find a cheaper school.

    I plan on going to WGU when I have the money, so I like this thread.
  • datacombossdatacomboss Member Posts: 303 ■■■□□□□□□□
    I'd just fight through it, finish and move on.
    "If I were to say, 'God, why me?' about the bad things, then I should have said, 'God, why me?' about the good things that happened in my life."

    Arthur Ashe

  • aftereffectoraftereffector Member Posts: 525
    I feel the same. I'm only 6 CUs in, but I don't see myself learning a lot of exciting new concepts in the next eight courses. However, I just want to get the block checked and move on; perhaps later I will apply for a more prestigious school to earn a business-related graduate degree, or perhaps I won't. Either way, WGU's MSISA will let me compete for federal jobs and will pretty much obviate my history undergrad.
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  • N2ITN2IT Inactive Imported Users Posts: 7,483
    MBA is an MBA, MS is a MS and a BS is a BS. Sure where you went is HUGE if your are just getting started, but once you get experience it doesn't mean nearly as much. I am painfully finding this out, after spending 50,000 on my bachelors. The only time I have seen this not true is when you are going for executive position, but then again I have see CEO's for fortune 100 companies with a bachelors is business admin or accountancy. So at the end of the day I'm not sure what any of it means. I finally said screw it and listed my MBA on my linkedin and my signature blocks at work. I was going to list one of my pm certifications, but fact remains for me, the MBA is my most crowning achievement on paper so I went with that.
  • colemiccolemic Member Posts: 1,568 ■■■■■■■□□□
    Just saw this thread... I also vote with finish it out. I kind of felt the same way about the material, but I attribute a lot of that to prior knowledge. I had a fantastic mentor, and we worked out a system where we emailed every week/every other week for status updates. Very useful while in Afghanistan.

    At the end of day, it can give you a competitive edge in applying for jobs... regardless of what you have learned. Especially if you have tuition reimbursement, finish it out, then decide if you want a different one. (hint: your opinion might change after you have one master's degree, and begin another... mine sure did.)
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  • N2ITN2IT Inactive Imported Users Posts: 7,483
    @ Colemic it gives you a huge competitive edge. ***Just agreeing with you. I actually stopped listing certifications and only list degrees now, since my experience is basically taking up two full pages. I barely have enough for my education. I keep my certifications listed on my LinkedIn page.
  • cyberguyprcyberguypr Senior Member Mod Posts: 6,871 Mod
    Quick update: talked to the program manager and told her that something wasn't working for me but couldn't pinpoint what it was. She asked if my mentor was a problem. I told her what i mentioned before, that I had no issues with her but was open to trying another one just to change something and see how things work. I found interesting that she asked me if I had any issues with the mentor being a woman.

    That was Monday of last week. Talked to the new mentor Wednesday. Informed her I have been going at an extremely accelerated pace and intended to keep it that way. Asked her to accelerate me into CHFI, which she did right away. She said she would release the voucher ofter I got 90% on the Ucertify 100 item tests. Sinc eI started watching the videos and was bored to death I did 3 of the qoo item tests that same night and got the desired 90+. I sent her an email asking if she had visibility into the results or needed me to send a screenshot. My plan is to take this test ASAP so I emailed her again Thursday night asking how to proceed. Another email Friday. One more this morning followed by an email a few minutes ago.. This lady is no where to be found. What the heck!

    I don't know if this is a fluke or this mentor really sucks but this just keeps adding to my list of aggravations. I am really trying but I feel things are just not working out.
  • colemiccolemic Member Posts: 1,568 ■■■■■■■□□□
    Send her another email, mention your frustration and disappointment and lack of response, and CC the program manager (if you have their email address), and anyone/any other email address you have for someone at WGU. Also hint that you will drop out if you don't get a really quick response. THAT is their golden metric (for mentors.) If they don't have time for you, well, you don't have time for WGU.
    Working on: CCSP, definitely, maybe. On the twitters: @mcole1008
  • jesseou812jesseou812 Member Posts: 60 ■■□□□□□□□□
    I feel your pain brother. It's all about having the tenacity to complete the program.

    Chin up and finish.
  • demonfurbiedemonfurbie Member Posts: 1,819
    id stick it out and then look at come higher end certs to expand your knowledge base.

    check your pms
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  • bigdogzbigdogz Member Posts: 827 ■■■■■■■□□□
    You may want to see if you can get your same mentor. You told them you never had a problem with her and at least you have some proof of your issues.

    Good Luck!!!
  • IIIMasterIIIMaster Senior Member Member Posts: 238 ■■■□□□□□□□
    I notice there is a bunch of WGU fellowship here. I wonder if some of these guys on here are paid by WGU?
  • colemiccolemic Member Posts: 1,568 ■■■■■■■□□□
    I would say unequivocally NO. What there is, is a lot of people who have gone through WGU's various programs, and have firsthand experience with them.
    Working on: CCSP, definitely, maybe. On the twitters: @mcole1008
  • bobloblawbobloblaw Member Posts: 228
    IIIMaster wrote: »
    I notice there is a bunch of WGU fellowship here. I wonder if some of these guys on here are paid by WGU?

    It's a non profit, champ. I highly doubt it. Plus there's a ton of objective naysayers that make solid points especially when it comes to their MBA programs (or any online MBA for that matter).
  • NOC-NinjaNOC-Ninja Member Posts: 1,403
    Suck it up.
    What is the whole point of getting a Masters? Is it to get to a manager/CIO/CEO position?
    I know a lot of people at my work without any Masters that are in that position. I would only do that if my employer is willing to pay for all of the expense.
  • N2ITN2IT Inactive Imported Users Posts: 7,483
    I would stick through it unless you HATED it. Then reassess and come up with a plan. If you want to remain in IT the IT security degree is going to help not hurt.
  • cyberguyprcyberguypr Senior Member Mod Posts: 6,871 Mod
    My sole purpose of getting a masters is checking off a personal goal. I will never in a million years go into management so that's not a driver here. When I enrolled in WGU my plan was to get the MSISA to check off that box, but with the idea to get another masters down the road that I really like along the lines of Norwich or SANS. That second masters was dependent of securing employment at a place with generous tuition reimbursement. I was able to secure that job last month so even if I send WGU to go pound sand doesn't mean I won't do a masters.

    Like I said I am 70% inclined to finish WGU. Now only I have to convince myself that VLT2 is worth my time. This is the biggest obstacle right now as I hate the vagueness of the stupid rubric.
  • darkerosxxdarkerosxx Banned Posts: 1,343

    Not meaning to come off as being insensitive or negative so hopefully you don't take it that way. I just know from experience I've left situations that didn't meet my every single need, and realize that sometimes my sense of pride didn't always allow me to take full advantage of my opportunities. I've never regretted my decisions. I only wish I saw the positive out of them more when i was a part of them versus realizing years later what I had a chance to do if I wasn't blinded by wanting to get ASAP.

    My opinion is the exact opposite. If I was paying to learn and I'm not learning, I don't think "oh, I should help them improve", I think "oh, I should change schools". But that's just me.
  • aspiringsoulaspiringsoul Member Posts: 314
    VLT2 has been a big stumbling block for me. I got frustrated, moved on to other courses, and I finally got the first task past the evaluator.

    I definitely see a trend with other MS:ISA students completing half of the program and getting burnt out around VLT2. I also contemplated dropping out of the program...

    That being said, this is a personal goal of mine, and I will not allow myself to drop out. Hoping to finish the program by July of this year.
    Education: MS-Information Security and Assurance from Western Governors University, BS-Business Information Systems from Indiana Wesleyan University, AAS-Computer Network Systems - ITT Tech,
  • JoJoCal19JoJoCal19 California Kid Mod Posts: 2,808 Mod
    Hey aspiringsoul, I 100% feel your pain and was literally about to pick up the phone to ring my mentor and tell them I'm dropping the MSISA as well. I had contemplated it for like a week after dealing with the same crap with Crapstream. I just finished the VLT2 class during New Year's week. I had Task 1 sent back for minor modifications which was my fault. They actually gave exact feedback and even gave me a link to the part of the coursework to use. That was a HUUUUUUUGE difference than what I'd previously had for feedback. I also knocked Task 2, 3, and 4 out on the first go. PM me if you want advice.

    Also if there is ONE piece of advice to any WGU student, is to throw away all common sense with formatting and doing the assignments. When it asks you to create a memo, or white paper, or letter or anything. Forget what you have always done. After finding a thread here regarding formatting your assignments to make it foolproof for Taskstream graders, I've blown through tasks like nobody's business, and have only had like 2 of my last 20 tasks kicked back for changes. Here's the link In addition, I clearly spell out what I'm doing, for example when it asks for justification, I say "The justification for xxxxxx is that...". I make sure there is no doubt I'm answering what the rubric/task item asks for.
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  • powerfoolpowerfool CISSP, MCSE Member Posts: 1,637 ■■■■■■■■□□
    I definitely get the sentiment about WGU, but I think that any program is going to be similar in that you will get out of it what you put into it. If you think you can get more doing XYZ, why not incorporate XYZ into what you are doing at WGU? A lot of it is writing... so you get some choice in your subjects, pick something that lets you go down that direction.
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  • VerrucktVerruckt Member Posts: 36 ■■□□□□□□□□
    Another +1 for suck it up.

    The reason I picked WGU was the competency based approach. I didn't want to "relearn" things and just wanted to apply prior / existing knowledge.

    That said, I share the frustration in crapstream as well as the rubric and grading methods. Evaluations are sometimes a crapshoot, dependent on the evaluator, and the person doing the evaluation can sometimes be completely clueless.
  • SephStormSephStorm Member Posts: 1,732
    Welcome to college IMO. I usually learn something in the first two weeks of the classes, and thats it. Honestly you can learn more by reading a book.
  • GSXR750K2GSXR750K2 Member Posts: 325
    I just skimmed over this since it is an older post, but if the mentor's BS is a big source of your pain request a new one. You don't have to stick with the one you're given.

    As for the material, my thoughts have been for years that college doesn't teach you what you need to know, they just "try" to teach you how to learn what you need to know (although some just charge you to have a professor read a book to you). Anything you would learn at Harvard can be learned sitting in front of a computer in a basement.

    I've been fortunate enough to not need to deal with the CMs, and on the couple of occasions I've had something sent back for revision I disregard their "let's set up an appointment to talk" emails because I don't need a pep talk nor do I need the extra work they want to give me.

    I've heard VLT2 is an odd ball, but if you've stuck with it this far you might as well finish so you can mark it off your list and use the piece of paper as a way to differentiate yourself from everyone else in the sea of bachelor degrees.
  • markulousmarkulous Member Posts: 2,394 ■■■■■■■■□□
    SephStorm wrote: »
    Welcome to college IMO. I usually learn something in the first two weeks of the classes, and thats it. Honestly you can learn more by reading a book.

    Unfortunately for us, HR won't acknowledge that and they still want to see a piece of paper before they let you through.
  • BoxxerBoxxer Member Posts: 25 ■■□□□□□□□□
    markulous wrote: »
    Unfortunately for us, HR won't acknowledge that and they still want to see a piece of paper before they let you through.

    Exactly! I realize this is an outdated post, but it still applies to people curious today.

    The degree is really only useful to have for credibility reasons and to fulfill a job requirement. If anyone wants to learn and be challenged then one must go out and seek what they are looking for! IMO it takes more effort than just sitting in a classroom in person or learning online. Seek out an expert in whatever field you are pursuing and learn from them. Ask someone to be your mentor in your field and I promise you will actually learn something you don't already know. :)
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