Jacked up recruiters

Blackout

So I interviewed for a team within Cisco for Blue Badge, I didn't think the interview went to well since my networking skills are rusty working as a systems administrator. So the recruiter texts me and says "You did well, you should hear from HR soon", so I was alittle shocked that I was considered, but I don't believe anything until an offer letter is in hand. Well yesterday she sends me another text asking if HR called me, and that the manager said an Offer letter should be incoming.

Well today I get a call from the Talent Acquisition guy at Cisco, telling me that another candidate was selected over me.........

Am I wrong for thinking this is messed up?

MSP-IT

I'm surprised that a recruiter would use texting as a means of communication like that and in such a way. That's pretty unprofessional.

olaHalo

Yeah thats messed up.

MSP-IT wrote: »

I'm surprised that a recruiter would use texting as a means of communication like that and in such a way. That's pretty unprofessional.

I disagree. Its become quite common in my experience.

markulous

Typical recruiter. They will string everyone along until they get the position filled.

networker050184

olaHalo wrote: »

I disagree. Its become quite common in my experience.

I've never had a recruiter text me. I'd deem it unprofessional personally.

MeanDrunkR2D2

I had the first one do that to me this week... Then I talked to him on the phone and realized why he texted. I couldn't understand a thing he was saying with his hard indian accent.

(Job was a joke with laughable pay)

lsud00d

networker050184 wrote: »

I've never had a recruiter text me. I'd deem it unprofessional personally.

I concur...texting is a social threshold that is not meant to be crossed by a recruiter, unless this is someone you have a working relationship with and are beyond amicable. Still, I wouldn't be a fan of it.

jeremywatts2005

Now for some humor. I have had recruiters string me along and lie to me. They even waste my time having me do multiple interviews with clients who are not even hiring. Yes you read that right they put you in front of a client because the client wants to have some idea on who is in the market. Those are not fun at all.

So here was my revenge I took on one poor stupid recruiter. I am fairly high level and these guys contact me for desktop support or SOC analyst. Over and over I get the calls. So one recruiter who barely spoke english calls me up for a $20 an hour no time and a half, no benefits and so on gig working as a SOC analyst. Horrible compensation and really a lousy job for me. I am way overqualified. I tell him sure I am interested. Then I fill out out the paperwork, blow away the iview and convince everyone I want the job. I get the background check done and they check my security clearance and an offer is made. The recruiter calls and says hey here are your hours and they were horrid over night weird shifts the whole lot. I say that this is the most terrific job ever and accept the shift.

I have a two weeks till I start. About a week and a half goes by and I call them and tell them I took another position. This is the week before Christmas. He begs me to reconsider and I tell him no. I know he had to be really screwed because he did not have anyone else. I waited long enough that no one would have been in the wings or if they were they really were desperate. Serves him right trying to hit someone up who is over qualified and insulting him with a ridicoulous job.

techfiend

There are some really bad recruiters out there, they did you get an interview though. The texting is very suspect but I can somewhat understand it. It's preferred over email for many people but I do agree it's unprofessional. Have you told them your preferred form of contact? The offer issue may not have been a lie and HR may have selected another one at the last minute, it wouldn't be the first time.

I've had recruiters hang up on me, block my calls, never getting back to me on job opportunities, inviting me in for a recruiter interview and talk about themselves, and not accepting 'not fit for the position' as an answer. There are many bad ones out there but they are usually easy to spot early on. If they got you a company interview IME they are above average.

Blackout

jeremywatts2005 wrote: »

Now for some humor. I have had recruiters string me along and lie to me. They even waste my time having me do multiple interviews with clients who are not even hiring. Yes you read that right they put you in front of a client because the client wants to have some idea on who is in the market. Those are not fun at all.

So here was my revenge I took on one poor stupid recruiter. I am fairly high level and these guys contact me for desktop support or SOC analyst. Over and over I get the calls. So one recruiter who barely spoke english calls me up for a $20 an hour no time and a half, no benefits and so on gig working as a SOC analyst. Horrible compensation and really a lousy job for me. I am way overqualified. I tell him sure I am interested. Then I fill out out the paperwork, blow away the iview and convince everyone I want the job. I get the background check done and they check my security clearance and an offer is made. The recruiter calls and says hey here are your hours and they were horrid over night weird shifts the whole lot. I say that this is the most terrific job ever and accept the shift.

I have a two weeks till I start. About a week and a half goes by and I call them and tell them I took another position. This is the week before Christmas. He begs me to reconsider and I tell him no. I know he had to be really screwed because he did not have anyone else. I waited long enough that no one would have been in the wings or if they were they really were desperate. Serves him right trying to hit someone up who is over qualified and insulting him with a ridicoulous job.

Im not a fan of a lot recruiters, but this has got to be one of the biggest dickhead moves I have ever seen. I don't even care if I get neg repped for this, this is a person trying to make ends meet, they don't care what your experience is, they are just trying to fill a role. Man maybe im getting soft or something, but even in my filthiest days in the military I wouldn't have screwed someone over like this.

techfiend

I agree with Blackout that it was terrible revenge and only something I would consider with a little bit of respect if the same recruiter had screwed them over in the past. You have to realize most recruiters think about themselves before others but when it comes to money there are few people that don't. What advantage was it for the recruitee to decline a job so late in the hiring process they know they weren't going to take?

Sure there's bad recruiters out there and it's a brutal job market where they can easily move on to the next human trying to make a living that they treat as a dollar sign. These types of recruiters are unfortunately common but it shouldn't be seen as recruiting in general. The good ones have been a key part to millions of careers.

The bad part about it is if the recruitee thinks they made a mistake for a job they really wanted and dwell on it, I can relate to this. While it was a recruiter that's really bad at their job and has no reason to be in the position. One thing I've noticed is the bad recruiters usually have really poor web sites or none at all, while the good ones have functional and often professional looking websites. Glassdoor reviews can't be completely trusted. I've ran into some below average ones that had great ratings, while some really good recruiters had average at best reviews. A lot of negative reviews are about wages and hours, these are mostly beyond the recruiter's control.

Those indian recruiters sometimes have some interesting positions but they never respond to me and I can't understand the initial messages they've left.

Essendon

These recruiters seem to be a terrible lot over in the US, they aren't this bad here. I guess the market's much more cutthroat there.. Sure most are dumb, but aren't like this.

xnx

Blackout wrote: »

Im not a fan of a lot recruiters, but this has got to be one of the biggest dickhead moves I have ever seen. I don't even care if I get neg repped for this, this is a person trying to make ends meet, they don't care what your experience is, they are just trying to fill a role. Man maybe im getting soft or something, but even in my filthiest days in the military I wouldn't have screwed someone over like this.

Same and I am a person who couldn't give a fack what others think

pinkydapimp

As with any job, there are bad ones and good ones. I get alot of recruiters that reach out. Ones that present jobs that actually fit my skill set i take the time to talk with. Even if im not looking, i will give them some time, discuss where im at and the job market in general. Those good ones who know you well will/can present you with great positions.

snunez889

I had one recruiter and my exp was great. He did a great job finding me a good job, and when the company made me an offer after a few months he even offered to try and get me more money. I hope to keep him in my contacts and see if I get the same results when its time to look for my next job.

devils_haircut

I worked with ONE good recruiter (the rest were a joke), and strangely enough, he no longer works in tech recruiting anymore. Good for him.

jmritenour

jeremywatts2005 wrote: »

Now for some humor. I have had recruiters string me along and lie to me. They even waste my time having me do multiple interviews with clients who are not even hiring. Yes you read that right they put you in front of a client because the client wants to have some idea on who is in the market. Those are not fun at all.

So here was my revenge I took on one poor stupid recruiter. I am fairly high level and these guys contact me for desktop support or SOC analyst. Over and over I get the calls. So one recruiter who barely spoke english calls me up for a $20 an hour no time and a half, no benefits and so on gig working as a SOC analyst. Horrible compensation and really a lousy job for me. I am way overqualified. I tell him sure I am interested. Then I fill out out the paperwork, blow away the iview and convince everyone I want the job. I get the background check done and they check my security clearance and an offer is made. The recruiter calls and says hey here are your hours and they were horrid over night weird shifts the whole lot. I say that this is the most terrific job ever and accept the shift.

I have a two weeks till I start. About a week and a half goes by and I call them and tell them I took another position. This is the week before Christmas. He begs me to reconsider and I tell him no. I know he had to be really screwed because he did not have anyone else. I waited long enough that no one would have been in the wings or if they were they really were desperate. Serves him right trying to hit someone up who is over qualified and insulting him with a ridicoulous job.

This is probably the most sociopathic, narcissistic, douchebag action I've read about on this forum.

So you're butthurt that recruiters waste your time, and you decide to take revenge by screwing over a recruiter that dares to approach you about a job that's beneath you. In the process, you also screw over a company that has a position they need to fill, and wasted the time of the hiring manager and other people that interviewed you. Not to mention, you undoubtedly screwed someone poor entry level person that actually needed/wanted that job. Or hell, maybe even someone in the field who's been out of work and would jump at something, even if it was beneath their experience, just to get some sort of income.

What goes around, comes around. Reneging on a job offer is a bad idea even under the best circumstances, and not something I'd do just to spite someone. I hope for your sake, the people you burned on your little revenge prank aren't vindictive, and you don't ever cross their paths again.

MSP-IT

jmritenour wrote: »

This is probably the most sociopathic, narcissistic, douchebag action I've read about on this forum.

So you're butthurt that recruiters waste your time, and you decide to take revenge by screwing over a recruiter that dares to approach you about a job that's beneath you. In the process, you also screw over a company that has a position they need to fill, and wasted the time of the hiring manager and other people that interviewed you. Not to mention, you undoubtedly screwed someone poor entry level person that actually needed/wanted that job. Or hell, maybe even someone in the field who's been out of work and would jump at something, even if it was beneath their experience, just to get some sort of income.

What goes around, comes around. Reneging on a job offer is a bad idea even under the best circumstances, and not something I'd do just to spite someone. I hope for your sake, the people you burned on your little revenge prank aren't vindictive, and you don't ever cross their paths again.

I'm seriously surprised someone has the balls and/or nerve to do something like this. The extent he took to make such a point is genuinely asinine.

Lucas21

jeremywatts2005 wrote: »

Now for some humor. I have had recruiters string me along and lie to me. They even waste my time having me do multiple interviews with clients who are not even hiring. Yes you read that right they put you in front of a client because the client wants to have some idea on who is in the market. Those are not fun at all.

So here was my revenge I took on one poor stupid recruiter. I am fairly high level and these guys contact me for desktop support or SOC analyst. Over and over I get the calls. So one recruiter who barely spoke english calls me up for a $20 an hour no time and a half, no benefits and so on gig working as a SOC analyst. Horrible compensation and really a lousy job for me. I am way overqualified. I tell him sure I am interested. Then I fill out out the paperwork, blow away the iview and convince everyone I want the job. I get the background check done and they check my security clearance and an offer is made. The recruiter calls and says hey here are your hours and they were horrid over night weird shifts the whole lot. I say that this is the most terrific job ever and accept the shift.

I have a two weeks till I start. About a week and a half goes by and I call them and tell them I took another position. This is the week before Christmas. He begs me to reconsider and I tell him no. I know he had to be really screwed because he did not have anyone else. I waited long enough that no one would have been in the wings or if they were they really were desperate. Serves him right trying to hit someone up who is over qualified and insulting him with a ridicoulous job.

Instead of wasting your time and using your energy on this type of venture, you should look at ways to filter out some of the bad recruiters. Email filters or a blocking app on your phone should help some.

Nersesian

- So the recruiter texts me

I feel old now. I would come unglued at the unprofessionalism.

- So here was my revenge I took on one poor stupid recruiter.

Do you ever feel the need to harm small animals?
Do you stand on subway platforms asking "what if?"
Do you order girls scout cookies for the joy of telling a child you don't have any cash?
Do you microwave fish in the office?

Help us help you.

jeremywatts2005

Seriously though don't you think a recruiter would have no problem screwing you over in a heart beat? Now think about it, how many emails and phone calls you get about jobs that are not legit. Sometimes you just need to hit back. I used to get dudes like this all the time and this particular recruiter was constantly hounding me because it was in a small market.

Blackout

jeremywatts2005 wrote: »

Seriously though don't you think a recruiter would have no problem screwing you over in a heart beat? Now think about it, how many emails and phone calls you get about jobs that are not legit. Sometimes you just need to hit back. I used to get dudes like this all the time and this particular recruiter was constantly hounding me because it was in a small market.

No I don't believe they are all like that, assumptions are the mother of all f**k ups. Even though this recruiter did this to me doesn't make me consider them as something other than a human being that makes mistakes. The recruiter that got me my current role was amazing, he contacted me about everything walked me through everything, called me back when I had questions.

I got random ass emails all the time from recruiters for positions that are below me, or are completely outside of my scope, I have a notepad document with generic responses for each and I copy and paste. Being a good human being goes a long ways, and will eventually come back to you in a good way. They are trying to do their job, if they screw you over move on to something else. Screwing someone over on Christmas is about as big of a dick move as laying someone off at Christmas, and having security escort them out.

Nersesian

- Sometimes you just need to hit back.

Doubling down. I like your style. Don't worry about these other posters going on about your professionalism. Its about sending a message amiright?

JockVSJock

Blackout wrote: »

Im not a fan of a lot recruiters, but this has got to be one of the biggest dickhead moves I have ever seen. I don't even care if I get neg repped for this, this is a person trying to make ends meet, they don't care what your experience is, they are just trying to fill a role. Man maybe im getting soft or something, but even in my filthiest days in the military I wouldn't have screwed someone over like this.

You sir, will get postive rep from me.

99% of recruiters don't care about your, you sarlary or your career. They are only out for themselves.

I am finished wasting my enegy and time with them. I just delete their emails and hang up on them when they call.

markulous

Nersesian wrote: »

- Sometimes you just need to hit back.

Doubling down. I like your style. Don't worry about these other posters going on about your professionalism. Its about sending a message amiright?

I laughed

cyberguypr

I hate recruiters but this guy has a loooot of free time.

yeah yeah

Yeah, I don't believe that story at all. So...your revenge was to go on interviews, take a job, transfer your clearance, then turn it down. If it is true, you got a lot of time on your hands, or your time ain't worth a damn. And lots of companies could "accidentally" not release your clearance, and hold you up from getting your next job.

anoeljr

Nersesian wrote: »

- Sometimes you just need to hit back.

Doubling down. I like your style. Don't worry about these other posters going on about your professionalism. Its about sending a message amiright?

Nice

Nersesian

yeah yeah wrote: »

So...your revenge was to go on interviews, take a job, transfer your clearance, then turn it down.

Heh...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUVnEgM7GJM

jvrlopez

I doubt that story.

Sounds exaggerated...he probably scheduled an interview, didn't show up, and spun it into this story of revenge.

Either that or he has a lot of time away from the jobs that he should be at since he is such a prime canidate.

bigdogz

Just like most of you, I receive email messages on a daily basis about job x.

Recruiters have to make money to get their quota and it is a fishing contest to some extent. The first one to say "I got one." wins. Some recruiters choose to force candidates in positions because they do not actually read the resumes and others will take the time. You have to do your research as well and you have to know the process of what a company does in order to hire the candidate such as:
When was the job posted on their website or do they prefer a recruiting company?
What recruiting company do they prefer?
How does the recruiting company pay out the employees in regards to compensation and benefits?

Most of the recruiters that are out of town just throw my resume in some sort of application that may spit out some email messages about lower level contract positions in various parts of the states. Most of these folks have no idea of where I live, because it does not matter. I think that is how the app works and they want the position filled.

The recruiters that are local are always pinging me about something as it relates to what I am currently doing. It is either a lateral move or something that sounds better. I do take the time to respond to them. I also take some time in researching the companies or the boss that I may be working for if I decide to look at the position in mind. The local recruiters are more personable and know the position. It may be hard for them to understand what you do if you are a jack of all trades, but most of them understand how to math your current needs to a position.