Windows 10 will assimilate you

varelg

TranceSoulBrother wrote: »

I haven't messed with Win 7/8/10 much unless superficially at work to do work tasks ( mainly Outlook and browsing) i wonder what all the hoopla against Win10 is all about.
I borrowed a friend's computer this weekend to see and it's not half bad unless you're a purist.
I will have to google about the commotion from users.
Why are many of you mad about Win 10 from a user perspective?
Ive been on Mac for the past 9 years.

This is just me, I don't know about others, but why will I not "upgrade" to Win 10- basically there's nothing new to gain from the switch, no new functionality, same old things only done different way. New OS with less functionality than the previous one- Windows Media Manager is gone in Win 10 (one example, some could find few others).
Microsoft hinting on turning their OS into SaaS, you pay monthly fee just to be able to use your computer. Who'd volunteer into such a scheme?

networker050184 wrote: »

Well as professionals in this industry I think we both know tech adoption from a consumer stand point has absolutely nothing to do with what is best from a technical standpoint.

Wait... what? It's users' fault? They are too dumb to discern? This looks and sounds very familiar!

networker050184

It's not the users fault per se, I don't expect them to all be technical experts. Those of us that are though can make better judgments based on technical facts. Marketing is the key though to pretty much any successful product in any industry.

gespenstern

Priston wrote: »

It's almost like Microsoft is encouraging Windows 7 users to disable windows update until July 30, 2016...

Actually, you shouldn't install anything but "security" updates. It's through "recommended" and other types of updates Microsoft installs this crap since the days of WGA.

varelg

networker050184 wrote: »

It's not the users fault per se, I don't expect them to all be technical experts. Those of us that are though can make better judgments based on technical facts. Marketing is the key though to pretty much any successful product in any industry.

That is simply not true. But reliable software, reliable support and documentation of tested solutions brings results. Both for technical and non-technical users' market. No marketing and advocacy can cover for that.
Linux has been on the market for, what... 15+ years? What's its market penetration among regular users? One percent? All these years market share has been stangnant 1%? Any corporate project would be burned and burried long ago with that kind of stats.

networker050184

Well that's kind of my point. There isn't a big marketing push behind linux to the home user so it's not surprising.

There has been a bit recently with Chromebooks and they have started to gain market share for sure.

varelg

So you conveniently skipped the part about reliable software, support and documentation. On which Linux fails. On the nose. Even enterprise-level solutions.
And you are counting Chromebook as Linux's penetration on the market. You can't be serious.

wd40

@=networker050184

It took me almost a week to install Linux on my new PC, it has issues with new Nvidia cards, and I had to connect one of the monitors to a DVI port instead to DP .. and it is still not a perfect installation .. and who knows if it will continue to work or not when I install updates / upgrades.
On an older PC it only took 20 minutes to install and configure.

Back to windows 10 .. it's multi monitor support is just great! this alone is enough to convince me to do the upgrade.

UnixGuy

My personal experience: I used Solaris and Ubuntu for years (close to a decade) as my main OS....wouldn't recommend it! Linux is simply not designed for desktops....stick with Mac (my current OS) or your windows.

gorebrush

I've been running Linux full time since October and for the main I'm enjoying using it. However, the problem is that I don't have time to learn an entire new OS alongside trying to get stuff done. The problem is that every so often I will run into a situation where I need to go read documentation and generally faff about getting something to work whereas since I've been a Windows user since... 1991, well I'm pretty much an expert on the Windows desktop by this point. I may consider moving back to Windows 10 because I have to give a lot of technical support to family members now and again and where I am not using Windows, I'm really not much help to people.

I've dual booted with 10 for a little while because it was handy to be able to run games and so on, but everytime I upgrade a load of stuff on my Linux system (I use Arch btw) then it invariably breaks *something*. The latest one was that I could no longer burn audio CD's because apparently I had no codecs for them (even though I know full well I'd done the same thing without problem only a few weeks ago)

The further problem is of course that 95% of the enterprise still uses Windows, so really you'd be daft to try and give up Windows altogether. I think for the vast majority of use cases, you could quite easily move to Linux. Maybe I am biased because of my choice of OS. I know full well that if I stuck with something like Debian (and that was what I learned in the beginning of my interest with Linux) then I'd probably have escaped a lot of the issues that I have run into since while running Arch. The problem of course is that 99% of seasoned Windows users will probably not appreciate the different design philosophies of every single Linux distribution because there's politics and drama associated with a lot of them.

However, I will say that learning Linux has been quite refreshing and it's useful because a lot of the embedded systems or firewalls/etc all use some form of *NIX underneath - so it's always worth learning. I think turning your daily driver into a Linux machine is something you have to prepared to spare time for things to go wrong. I'm not sure I can spare that time anymore, especially when there's things like VMWare Workstation and ESX at my disposal and a copy of Putty not far away.

EDIT: Only one I've not tried is MacOS but - no idea how I'd achieve that easily without actually buying a Mac of some description. Not sure I have the time to build a hackintosh. But, VMWare to the rescue!

SaSkiller

Iristheangel wrote: »

You're 100% right. Layer 8 issue. This dumb user assumed that X means close. That's the problem with assuming :P

The funny thing is that no one is remembering that this is the malware activity of years gone by. I remember when there installing a program when a user clicked the X was a symptom of rouge or malicious software. Honestly I think people should be suing MS for this bullstuff.

tpatt100

scaredoftests

You are funny @tpatt100..good one..I spewed coffee!

cwelber

That's really annoying Iris. Frankly while I like Windows 10, I'll hang on to my Windows 7 Pro until they stop providing security updates.

PJ_Sneakers

This is so spammy. I clicked the X and it popped up another box that said my upgrade was scheduled, with ANOTHER clickable button that said cancel. I hope it was a REAL cancel button.

I actually really like Windows 10, but this was a forensics box that needs to stay on 7.

I used GWX, hopefully it'll stick. http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

sthomas

Why don't some of you guys want to upgrade to Windows 10? I understand the OP not wanting to upgrade one computer for compatibility reasons but for day to day use Windows 10 is great and Windows 7 is old now. I understand to each their own but personally I have been recommending everyone who asks to upgrade from Windows 7/8 to 10 asap.

TheProf

Funny, I like windows 10, use it as my main OS, but even my Windows 7 template's in vSphere are complaining about these upgrades. I thought I had it all blocked and then when you least expect it, it pops right up!!

scaredoftests

sthomas wrote: »

Why don't some of you guys want to upgrade to Windows 10? I understand the OP not wanting to upgrade one computer for compatibility reasons but for day to day use Windows 10 is great and Windows 7 is old now. I understand to each their own but personally I have been recommending everyone who asks to upgrade from Windows 7/8 to 10 asap.

I am just annoyed on HOW it was forced on me. Very sneaky.

thomas_

sthomas wrote: »

Why don't some of you guys want to upgrade to Windows 10?

Three years from now I don't want Microsoft to decide that my computer is end of life and that I need to pay for a new version of Windows 10 or have my device stop working with no way to revert back to 8.1 because my 8.1 license was "consumed" by my Windos 10 "upgrade".

Eventually I will buy a Windows 10 license, but I want to keep my 8.1 license, so I can have it in a virtual machine if I want.

I'm very leery of a company that forces updates in such a heavy-handed manner. It reminds me of walking through the mall and having the annoying, aggressive T-mobile kiosk salespeople trying to sell me a phone on the sole basis that on the surface their newer model of phone is better than my older version of phone. Your phone might be newer, but I like what I have and I'm not going to upgrade now because it's convenient for the salesperson.

I'm fine with Windows 8.1 and I'm not going to upgrade right now just because it's convenient for Microsoft's stock price in their pursuit of 1 billion installs or whatever they are trying to accomplish.

scaredoftests

#=thomas_
What he said. Fight the power.

Legacy User

To the OP, the same thing happened to a coworker of mine he claimed he exited the pop up and his computer just restarted and started to perform the upgrade. We all joked and said are you sure you didn't press next, next, next, and restart now? lol. But I guess that auto upgrade is really a thing. I don't like how they are so persistent in this "free" upgrade gets me really thinking the big why about it.

tpatt100

I bet Microsoft does away with charging for Windows for home users, home users primarily upgrade when they buy a new computer anyways so Microsoft figures they might as well push for a unified home platform rather than support over a decade's worth of home operating systems.

They will charge a license fee to vendors who sell computers and people who build home systems are such a tiny part of the Windows market anyways.

Their big money makers is in the business/enterprise market and for home users it's Microsoft Office.

Swaswaswa

Windows 10 is becoming a nightmare for me. I decided to upgrade my desktop, only because of the notification loves to tab me out of programs I am using every 10 minutes - well big mistake. I have the infamous black screen with the cursor... Looked up a few solutions that seem to be a "one-time" fix, restarting reverts everything back to normal. Now, I have to wait 5 minutes for my background to appear. About to update my drivers and see what happens. Good luck to you, I feel the pain.

SaSkiller

@=sthomas;
Its simple. I am tired of MS deciding that they know best and ignoring us. They ignored us on Xbox until they were forced to do it our way. They ignored us on tiles, they ignored us the start menu (yes I know what they have done to "bring it back", its still a poor excuse), they ignored us on forcing windows updates, they ignored us on providing appropriate documentation for windows updates. Quite simply i am not interested in a product... a company that does not listen to me and does not serve my interests.

If they think they have something new that improves the experience it should be a choice whether I take it, it should never be built into the OS or software. If I like my menus they should stay where they are unless I choose to download something that replaces them with ribbon bars or tiles or whatever the heck they have in 10.

After 7 I will be moving to Linux.

varelg

@=sthomas;
Oh it is so great that not only am I not switching to Win 10, my new computer will be a Mac.
Did you read Swaswaswa's testimonial? What kind of an upgrade can do less than the previous version?

Matt2

I have zero reasons to upgrade to windows 10, zero. Ok there "could" be one, if it was truly more secure. But based on my observations I don't see that being the case. Windows 7 here long as possible, Linux on my laptop now, MAC eventually. Might have ONE Windows computer long term only to be used for my occasional gaming. Well maybe a dual boot to it on the laptop if I end up working somewhere it's needed, but hopefully the company would provide said laptop.

beads

And here I thought it was just me who hated Windows 10.

Comiserate

- b/eads

scaredoftests

@=beads

I do! I do!

Iristheangel

That awkward moment when Windows 10 ruins your 9-hour long gaming... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP31lluUDWU

tpatt100

This reminds me of the days of "I will hold on to Windows XP until they pull it from my cold dead hands". Then Windows 7 became the Windows XP. I like Windows 10 but I think I like it because I didn't care for Windows 8 and then I got used to it and they fixed some of the UI stuff.

Saw this on Reddit Gaming:

fmitawaps

I kept XP on my computers until about a year after 7 was released. And at the time IE6 was getting so outdated that changing up to a newer OS was getting harder not to do.

I gave 7 a chance and liked it. But for a while I was still thinking "why don't all the folders or this or that display EXACTLY like they did in XP? Why does Microsoft insist on changing things that don't need changed?

I wonder how long it'll be until 7 is unusable, but I also hope there's enough programmers and hackers out there who can make 7 work whether Microsoft wants it to or not.