Ever felt guilty about moving jobs?

Welly_59

So, recent CCNP pass paid for by employer (no clause to pay back), now I have an external offer with 40% payrise and good technology stack to add to my skillset.

Problem is, I know when I tell my employer it will be as if I've cheated on them.

Anyone felt the same?

scaredoftests

if the shoe was on the other foot in regard to firing/laying off, employers would not think twice about it! Just as long as you give 2 weeks notice and leave on good terms, go for it!

Danielm7

Have I? Sure. 40% is too much to ignore though, I'd go for it. Congrats on the good offer!

mgeoffriau

If your employer were very concerned about employees leaving after taking advantage of CE or exam cost benefits, they would have a written policy.

Welly_59

mgeoffriau wrote: »

If your employer were very concerned about employees leaving after taking advantage of CE or exam cost benefits, they would have a written policy.

They do, but only if the value of training is over £1000

Welly_59

scaredoftests wrote: »

if the shoe was on the other foot in regard to firing/laying off, employers would not think twice about it! Just as long as you give 2 weeks notice and leave on good terms, go for it!

4 weeks notice

scaredoftests

so, give them 4 week notice. Make sure the other job is cool with that.

cyberguypr

Nope. In the absence of some sort of agreement it is fair game and you owe them nothing. Remember: it's all business.

Welly_59

cyberguypr wrote: »

Nope. In the absence of some sort of agreement it is fair game and you owe them nothing. Remember: it's all business.

I know your right, I guess I'm just being a bit sentimental towards some good colleagues and management in my current role

scaredoftests

Understood. All the more reason to leave on good terms. But, it is still business.

roxer

I would leave in a heartbeat if it was the right job. I can tell you my company would not hesitate to lay someone off without a minutes notice. I have had to perform that crappy function and hate it. I found out the day before I had to lay one of my guys off - no loyalty here.

ITSec14

I felt guilty when I left my first IT job, because the team I worked with was great and we really had an awesome thing going for us. That said, at the end of the day YOU, your FAMILY and CAREER are the #1 priorities. Employers know this too, especially in tech. People leave all the time. The only downside to you leaving in this manner is it may burn some bridges.

the_Grinch

Typically after attending a class I like to give the employer six months. But as others have said, it's business and if they wanted to keep you'd they'd pay you more. I use to feel bad, but then one job fixed me of that. Got a very terrible raise and let them know I'd start looking elsewhere. They came back and said they'd double it if I was willing to give them six more months. I gave them a full year before I came across something that was much better and came with a pay raise. Head of sales sent me one of the nastiest emails I've ever received in my career and ended it with saying I should stay. After that, I never thought twice about quitting a job (with notice). In the end you have to worry about #1 because they certainly won't do it for you.

Blucodex

It's always bittersweet leaving a decent relationship. 2 weeks is pretty standard, anything longer is dragging it out for both sides.

Basic85

Why is it that employers don't give a the employee a 2 weeks notice but yet the employee is expected to? I never understood that. Maybe due to security reasons but still, I wouldn't feel safe there if an employer fired me.

Business is business so when you find something else that is better and pays more than leave. A notice only as a courtesy if they treated you well.

yoba222

After about the third time, I don't even feel guilty about less than 2 weeks notice, though I don't normally do it that way.

NotHackingYou

If the offer is holistically better, take it. Period.

mgeoffriau

Welly_59 wrote: »

They do, but only if the value of training is over £1000

Even better, then. That's confirmation that it's not that they haven't considered the issue at all. They've considered the issue, and made a policy decision.

Leave with a clear conscience.

Welly_59

I wouldn't give less than the notice period in my contract. In the UK it works both ways, the company need to give you the same as well.

Also not worth burning bridges, as you will always see people later on in your career

NOC-Ninja

i left my old job after they paid masters degree. imagine that. money talks, if a company cantpay me per marketprice then i will find a higher salary. its all business. you work hard to get paid more. if they dont see you valuable then bounce.

cyberguypr

And NOC-Ninja wins the thread, unless someone left after getting their PhD paid

Welly_59

So I've accepted the offer and broken the news to my current employer.

4 weeks notice period to work but can feel some imposter syndrome kicking in

UnixGuy

Leave the feels out of the door. CCNP fees are nothing for an employer, they pay 7 figures for technologies they barely use. They're also making a profit out of your by under paying you.

As NOC-Ninja and CyberguyPR said, 'it's all business'. That's what they gonna tell you if they decide to downsize.

I had a boss once being a cry baby about paying 1500$ for a training I didn't ask them for; so I offered to pay it back if it's really important to them (of course he said no)

Kyrak

Welly_59 wrote: »

So I've accepted the offer and broken the news to my current employer.

4 weeks notice period to work but can feel some imposter syndrome kicking in

Congrats! You made the right decision I think.

slinuxuzer

No, you should never feel this way, the fact is, its a business decision, and if your company could add 4% to their bottom line by putting you on the street, they'd do it tomorrow, much less 40% - no need to be rude or anything like that, but if you feel like the short term and long term benefits are there to go to this new place, then do it, and sleep well over it.

Paycheck

I wouldn't feel good about leaving a job under the conditions the OP specified. But then again, I've had so many contract assignments end on me that I know they have no loyalty to me, so screw them. Loyalty goes both ways.

Pay to play. If they ain't gonna pay, you'll play elsewhere!!!

DatabaseHead

yes until I leave the building then it's all good.

Mooseboost

I always tell myself that I won't feel that way when I leave a company, but generally, I always do feel bad about leaving. Even in jobs where I loathed being there - I still make friends that I will miss.

chmod

I've been there, i was in the middle of a recruiting process with 2 companies but i joined a company because they handed me a good offer before the other, once the other one decided to send me an offer, i rejected the offer but they told me how much more i wanted to accept joining them, i told them, they told me the max they could offer which was close to what i told them, offered WFH just like the other company(the original offer did not include that) took a while to make a decision but i decided to take it and that same day i was given a ticket to attend a seminar/training in Germany, then 2 weeks in NY supporting a project then i was told i could do WFH all week long if i wanted to.

I felt like **** about leaving them, they invested a lot of money and time so i decided to stay.

BradleyHU

scaredoftests wrote: »

if the shoe was on the other foot in regard to firing/laying off, employers would not think twice about it! Just as long as you give 2 weeks notice and leave on good terms, go for it!

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BillHoo

I was mostly happy where I was at, but not happy that they had changed my job requirement and I had to get another certification to meet it. I got the cert and they got one year from me before a recruiter hit me up. the sore spot being the training and cert cost over $6K, but the best the company could reimburse was $5250 due to tax laws. I had to foot the remainder out of pocket.

The recruiter asked what I wanted. I gave her a figure that was over the curve and she said, we can do that!

After several layers of interviews, I got the offer letter and let my contracting employer know. He said I hate you, but happy for me. told me to keep it under my hat until they find a qualified replacement for me. It took about two months before the new job could start processing me in.

When they gave me an actual start date, my contracting employer let our government boss know. They weren't too happy.

Six months later, they still had not found a replacement.

I'm at an age now where my philosophy is get what I can when the opportunity arises. Companies no longer are loyal to their employees.

When I was laid off in 2013, the company gave me two weeks and said I can leave today. I stayed two weeks to finish up some critical projects. My co-worker took off that afternoon. In hindsight, looking at what was done to other co-workers in the few months after, I shoulda just left.

From a security standpoint, they should have escorted me out within an hour and cut off all my systems accesses as I was also a privileged user.