What happens when you quit cold turkey on your helpdesk job?
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Basic85
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jeremywatts2005 wrote: »Yes never you work it out so you can look for another one. Whether that is using your vacation time or breaks or something but you should never just quit. There is always a way to apply for new work. Quitting like that is something that should not be an option. If you hate it that much that early then start looking. Yes an employer can fire you without notice however you quitting without notice can get you in a mess. Seen it happen, even though it shouldn't. If it ever comes up that you worked at that business and quit without notice and leave it off your resume that could cost you. Be cautious in the future plan ahead. I always have a recruiter or someone somewhere in my network that I can go to and say hey I am looking find me work. I would work on building a large network with a lot of contacts to help you prevent this in the future. I have interviewed with people who were at the last company I was at just earlier than my time and they do talk to those folks.
Why is it that an employer can fire you for anything anytime but the employee can't fire the employer at anytime? So you're admitting there's a double standard? I can't stand this double standard! I've had jobs in the past where they stated it was AT-WILL employment but when layoff comes than manager would say "Let me know" let you know what? If you don't have to give me a notice than why do I have to give you notice? It sounded very shady so from now on I'm just going to tell the employer to go f themselves if necessary if they want to play this game with me. -
cyberguypr
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I tear supercars on the track on a regular basis, ride helicopters, and do a whole bunch of other fun stuff. To this day one of the things that has brought more satistfaction to my life was when I walked out of a toxic job (actually gave 2 days notice). I'm not saying make it a habit, but don't think it will destroy your career in any way. Just be ready to explain it if it comes up. -
NetworkNewb
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Why is it that an employer can fire you for anything anytime but the employee can't fire the employer at anytime? So you're admitting there's a double standard? I can't stand this double standard!
Really??? As a manager you would want to give a bad employee continued access to systems if you are already telling them you are letting them go?? Also, you can quit anytime... I don't get your question saying the employee can't "fire the employer at anytime". You definitely can. Just don't expect anything in return later on, like a good recommendation later on or expect to ever work there again.
If they fire you without giving you notice they definitely don't expect anything from you in the future either! No double standard, works the same both ways...
If you give them a 1 or 2 weeks notice, and as long as you were a good employee, they are usually pretty nice in giving recommendations from my experience. (and most likely could apply to jobs there again) -
volfkhat
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Again, there's always nuance.
Okay, so how about this:NetworkNewb wrote: »Really??? As a manager you would want to give a bad employee continued access to systems if you are already telling them you are letting them go??
the employer can terminate you... but still pay you for "2 weeks".
A policy like this would go a long way towards employee loyalty/appreciation.
I think you're being a little too literal here :]NetworkNewb wrote: »Also, you can quit anytime... I don't get your question saying the employee can't "fire the employer at anytime". You definitely can. Just don't expect anything in return later on, like a good recommendation later on or expect to ever work there again.
Surely, anyone can quit at ANYTIME. But folks like jeremy thinks its one of the worst things you can do.
So, i just flipped the scenario around, and asked the same question :]
(kind of rhetorical; but not quite)
lol i think we are all in agreement here :]NetworkNewb wrote: »If they fire you without giving you notice they definitely don't expect anything from you in the future either! No double standard, works the same both ways...
[/QUOTE]NetworkNewb wrote: »If you give them a 1 or 2 weeks notice, and as long as you were a good employee, they are usually pretty nice in giving recommendations from my experience. (and most likely could apply to jobs there again)
As a general rule,
if they were good to me.. then i give standard notice.
But if they were dipsh@ts to me (or to my team mates)... then all they will get is a FedEx package on Monday (containing my phone, laptop, work ID, etc) -
NetworkNewb
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Exactly when leaving or getting let go shitty behavior gets shitty behavior back, works both ways. Guess I'm missing double standard complaint.
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EANx
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Always give notice in a professional situation but never be afraid to walk away from a toxic workplace. Just don't be too flexible with the term "toxic". That involves bullying, racial harassment, sexual harassment, etc. -
geo8
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as they say sh** happens. make sure this was the last time and be prepared for a steep price. if you can get it off your resume and manage to find another job, you just dodged a bullet.
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LordQarlyn
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NetworkNewb wrote: »If you give them a 1 or 2 weeks notice, and as long as you were a good employee, they are usually pretty nice in giving recommendations from my experience. (and most likely could apply to jobs there again)
Indeed, I have gone back to work to a former employer because I did leave on good terms. I've even heard of people being fired becoming eligible for rehire down the road.
What some people here seem to be missing is leverage. Employers have it, most employees do not, especially if the employee is out of work. Unless you're an IT rock star (or whatever your profession happens to be), with big name companies beating down your door to poach you on a regular basis, the rest of us have to sell ourselves to a potential employer to get hired. Leaving a track record of suddenly leaving without notice, getting fired, leaving on bad terms only hurts you in the long run. Even jobs I disliked I was sure to maintain good rapport as much as possible with the leadership. -
Basic85
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LordQarlyn wrote: »Indeed, I have gone back to work to a former employer because I did leave on good terms. I've even heard of people being fired becoming eligible for rehire down the road.
What some people here seem to be missing is leverage. Employers have it, most employees do not, especially if the employee is out of work. Unless you're an IT rock star (or whatever your profession happens to be), with big name companies beating down your door to poach you on a regular basis, the rest of us have to sell ourselves to a potential employer to get hired. Leaving a track record of suddenly leaving without notice, getting fired, leaving on bad terms only hurts you in the long run. Even jobs I disliked I was sure to maintain good rapport as much as possible with the leadership.
I feel interviewing should be an equal process where both parties can size each other up! Some employers feel that they hold all the cards and I don't agree with that. I've ended interviews abruptly but politely if possible because I knew it wasn't going to work. Some employers get passive aggressive because they are not use to getting sized up. I can see that if you're an IT rockstar than maybe you can pick and choose but still my dignity and respect means more to me.
The same can said about employers treating employees badly as it reflects badly on them. I've backed out of interviews due to poor online reviews of companies on sites such as glassdoor. The way I see it is, I owe them nothing just as they owe me nothing and according to AT-WILL, I can leave anytime without notice just as they can fire me without notice but some employers feel I have to notify them, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Without notice means I can literally stop showing up/walk out of the job without notice, just disappear without a trace!! No signing nothing, no picking up last check as that is the employer's responsibility to pay me not me, etc. Also most companies will verify date of employment, title and possibly pay with permission as they fear lawsuits!!!
Everybody has there own opinions so do what you have to do for you. -
LordQarlyn
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I feel interviewing should be an equal process where both parties can size each other up! Some employers feel that they hold all the cards and I don't agree with that. I've ended interviews abruptly but politely if possible because I knew it wasn't going to work. Some employers get passive aggressive because they are not use to getting sized up. I can see that if you're an IT rockstar than maybe you can pick and choose but still my dignity and respect means more to me.
The same can said about employers treating employees badly as it reflects badly on them. I've backed out of interviews due to poor online reviews of companies on sites such as glassdoor. The way I see it is, I owe them nothing just as they owe me nothing and according to AT-WILL, I can leave anytime without notice just as they can fire me without notice but some employers feel I have to notify them, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Without notice means I can literally stop showing up/walk out of the job without notice, just disappear without a trace!! No signing nothing, no picking up last check as that is the employer's responsibility to pay me not me, etc. Also most companies will verify date of employment, title and possibly pay with permission as they fear lawsuits!!!
Everybody has there own opinions so do what you have to do for you.
Well, everything comes easy to you. The same cannot be said about me, I've had to work very hard to get where I am at, I don't get things just handed to me. Being a total jerk to companies may work very well for you, I've never had any luck doing that.
BTW no one here said accept crappy treatment, to not check out companies, and to disregard your dignity and respect. -
paul78
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Like you, I've worked very hard to get to where I am too. And I whole-heatedly agree with your sentiment on this topic.LordQarlyn wrote: »What some people here seem to be missing is leverage. Employers have it, most employees do not, especially if the employee is out of work. Unless you're an IT rock star (or whatever your profession happens to be), with big name companies beating down your door to poach you on a regular basis, the rest of us have to sell ourselves to a potential employer to get hired. Leaving a track record of suddenly leaving without notice, getting fired, leaving on bad terms only hurts you in the long run. Even jobs I disliked I was sure to maintain good rapport as much as possible with the leadership.
And even with the leverage that employers have, there are a lot more protections for the average worker than for the average employer. Employers cannot discriminate, if there are collective bargaining agreements in place, there are limits. And employees can sue for wrongful termination.
I would add that the other thing that people here often forget is that companies are made up of people. It's people that are having to make the tough decisions when someone is fired or laid-off. Most people that I know do not take this decision lightly. And I would hope that future execs don't have the apathetic and uncaring attitudes about the concept of "at-will" employment.
In my experience, when someone is fired or there is a lay-off - most employers will try to be as compassionate as possible and will offer severance (2 weeks per year being the most common practice), access to placement agencies, etc. And I've known individual managers who will go out of their way to help find new employment for displaced former employees. I've even seen situations where someone was fired for misconduct but leadership did not cite termination for cause so that the individual could still try to collect unemployment. A good friend of mine got fired last month after 5 years at a company and he got 6 months of severance.
I really can't think of too many situations other than harassment and discrimination where someone ought to quit by simply walking out without a word. And in that situation, I would hope that the individual has filed an administrative complain with the EEOC.
If someone really doesn't want to offer 2 weeks, just be honest and let their supervisor know. It may be entirely fine. Most managers usually don't want someone that's leaving to be around anyways. In some roles, it's actually customary to ask the individual to stop coming into the office and the company will just pay them for their 2 weeks. A buddy of mine quit his job last week, and his manager asked him to wrap things up but he didn't have to do any new work and they said he could just work remote and come in on his last day if that was easier for him.
Whenever I've left a job, I try to make the transition as smooth as possible - even when I couldn't wait to get the heck out of the company. There's really no downside in being professional. And if I have friends at the company, I certainly wouldn't want to just leave them in a bind. -
volfkhat
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Like you, I've worked very hard to get to where I am too. And I whole-heatedly agree with your sentiment on this topic.
And even with the leverage that employers have, there are a lot more protections for the average worker than for the average employer. Employers cannot discriminate, if there are collective bargaining agreements in place, there are limits. And employees can sue for wrongful termination.
I would add that the other thing that people here often forget is that companies are made up of people. It's people that are having to make the tough decisions when someone is fired or laid-off. Most people that I know do not take this decision lightly. And I would hope that future execs don't have the apathetic and uncaring attitudes about the concept of "at-will" employment.
In my experience, when someone is fired or there is a lay-off - most employers will try to be as compassionate as possible and will offer severance (2 weeks per year being the most common practice), access to placement agencies, etc. And I've known individual managers who will go out of their way to help find new employment for displaced former employees. I've even seen situations where someone was fired for misconduct but leadership did not cite termination for cause so that the individual could still try to collect unemployment. A good friend of mine got fired last month after 5 years at a company and he got 6 months of severance.
I really can't think of too many situations other than harassment and discrimination where someone ought to quit by simply walking out without a word. And in that situation, I would hope that the individual has filed an administrative complain with the EEOC.
If someone really doesn't want to offer 2 weeks, just be honest and let their supervisor know. It may be entirely fine. Most managers usually don't want someone that's leaving to be around anyways. In some roles, it's actually customary to ask the individual to stop coming into the office and the company will just pay them for their 2 weeks. A buddy of mine quit his job last week, and his manager asked him to wrap things up but he didn't have to do any new work and they said he could just work remote and come in on his last day if that was easier for him.
Whenever I've left a job, I try to make the transition as smooth as possible - even when I couldn't wait to get the heck out of the company. There's really no downside in being professional. And if I have friends at the company, I certainly wouldn't want to just leave them in a bind.
Great post!
It's good to hear about employers out there who still do things "the right way".
(i've never seen it myself)
And i don't think Basic85 is saying that he goes through life being a 'total jerk'.
rather, he just has a low tolerance for tyranny...
i can respect that :] -
Basic85
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LordQarlyn wrote: »Well, everything comes easy to you. The same cannot be said about me, I've had to work very hard to get where I am at, I don't get things just handed to me. Being a total jerk to companies may work very well for you, I've never had any luck doing that.
BTW no one here said accept crappy treatment, to not check out companies, and to disregard your dignity and respect.
Who said I didn't have to work hard? I never mentioned that as I have to work my rear-end off too. Who said I was a being total jerk to companies? Now companies have been total jerks to me. You do what you gotta do as everyone has there own opinions about this topic matter. You haven't been through what I've been through and I've been through Hell and back.LordQarlyn wrote: »I Leaving a track record of suddenly leaving without notice, getting fired, leaving on bad terms only hurts you in the long run. Even jobs I disliked I was sure to maintain good rapport as much as possible with the leadership.
You mentioned this about track records for employees but didn't mention employers! When employers treat employees badly it leaves a bad a track record for them as evident on sites such as glassdoor.
