Western Governors University (WGU) has one critical flaw: The mentors.
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I was a student of WGU back in 2013. I withdrew because of issues with many of the courses as well as the mentor at the time. Went back to work, was successful and decided to give it another go around in 2019.
6 classes later, I'm told that mentors can block you from taking classes in the order you choose, even though there's not a hard policy allowing them to do so or restricting you as a student; they can individually, on their own discretion, opt to block you as part of their attempt to help new students. It's fine to help new students; I'm not a new student. I don't need a babysitter.
The course mentors/instructors are nice to deal with but largely, they refer you back to the online materials. SO they don't add value if that's all they're there for.
At the end of the day, students are paying for this. The student should thus have control over the end result.
I'm not suggesting they get rid of mentors. But mentors need to lose some of the power they hold. A student should be able to select whatever courses they want to take, when they want to take them, if they're mature enough to own the risk of losing money. That includes accelerating courses.
I was a student of WGU back in 2013. I withdrew because of issues with many of the courses as well as the mentor at the time. Went back to work, was successful and decided to give it another go around in 2019.
6 classes later, I'm told that mentors can block you from taking classes in the order you choose, even though there's not a hard policy allowing them to do so or restricting you as a student; they can individually, on their own discretion, opt to block you as part of their attempt to help new students. It's fine to help new students; I'm not a new student. I don't need a babysitter.
The course mentors/instructors are nice to deal with but largely, they refer you back to the online materials. SO they don't add value if that's all they're there for.
At the end of the day, students are paying for this. The student should thus have control over the end result.
I'm not suggesting they get rid of mentors. But mentors need to lose some of the power they hold. A student should be able to select whatever courses they want to take, when they want to take them, if they're mature enough to own the risk of losing money. That includes accelerating courses.
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At the time of your previous enrollment, you could have indeed requested another mentor. I would not personally let one individual be the difference between being in school and not. I am not sure I would use an individual as an excuse for leaving school. That mentor, like everyone can be replaced and could have been replaced. Out of all the reading I've done on Reddit (which has a ton of more frequent discussions on WGU than this site), I've never seen someone say that had to be with one particular mentor. So, if you had other issues outside of that, that's a different story. But, I wouldn't necessarily blame the mentor as one of the reasons for leaving school....
Yes, mentors can block you from taking the classes that you want. That is true.I finished a graduate degree in a few months. You can search the forum for my post. What does that tell you? If you are progressing through your work expeditiously (and passing), the mentor will not block you from taking classes! I agree that the mentor should deny certain class requests if your performance lacks. If you pass every class (the first time), I don't see why a mentor would prohibit you from selecting your next class. You are not a new student but you are a student who dropped out the first time, which can be classified as a nw student I guess... You think they the university or the mentor doesn't know you dropped out? Long story short, you must prove yourself to the mentor. You failing a class and/or dropping out doesn't look favorably on the mentor. Trust me. They want you to pass the first time around and not drop out again. It looks favorably on them.
They are going to refer you back to the course materials because the answers in some shape, fashion, or form exist in them. The instructors might give you minimal hints but for the most part it's entirely on you. We are talking about mentors. Mentors. What value do you think a mentor should have? You said they refer you back to course materials, which doesn't add value.
How about this, Post your WGU dashboard and I'll come back and give you further opinionated statements based on my personal experience.
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Seriously mentors sound awfully annoying. I've heard some mentors checking up on people ALL the time too... Seems like a babysitter for college
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Seriously mentors sound awfully annoying. I've (You heard? I am going to assume you've never went to WGU. You know what happens when you assume, you make an a.....n
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I've said it before, I only talked to my mentor once a week and it was more than one week where we didn't talk at all.
We should stay on the discussion topic. I don't think the discussion @revelated created should be catered towards bashing WGU. I think it should be catered towards helping him understand how he can be successful within WGU and continue to stay enrolled, preferably from someone (not even including myself) who was successful within WGU and can give pointers.Those pointers might include positive and maybe negative. But, I don't think someone from the outside looking in is in the position to give any advice good or bad.
Saying WGU is a babysitter college is a waste of space on this topic. Go create a I hate WGU thread somewhere else LOL
I will come back when @revelated posts his WGU dashboard, if he/she decides to post it. Until then, adios!
Wow, lol. Alright, lets go down this road...
First, I just posted something I read from another person who went there... I am not "assuming" a single thing. I'm stating how the experience was of a student who went to WGU.
Second, who cares what I'm going for... totally unrelated to the topic. The topic was about WGU mentors and my short comment was only about the topic.
Third, I don't hate WGU. I think it holds a good place for someone who is looking to get their degree quickly and fairly cheap. I'm sorry if my impression of mentors (the topic of this thread btw) offends you. If you can't handle opinions about the topic being discussed on a forum that differ from your's you probably should brace yourself for a tough road ahead.
edit: Lastly, I didn't say "WGU is a babysitter college". I said "Seems like a babysitter for college." Referring to the mentors. You know... the topic of this thread
In my case, I'm a 3+ year vet of the platform, I know exactly how it works, I know what I want it to do for me - and that's the key. I own my risk. Others don't own risk for me.
Staunch defenders of WGU are emotionally driven because they like the program and they've been conditioned to believe that WGU can do no wrong. That's their opinion. I consider it weak. I believe, always have, that a person should feel failure in order to appreciate success. You can't feel failure when you have a babysitter - and that's what they are, I'll say it - coddling you and protecting you from harm. To use a modern term, it's snowflakism.
I read about other schools that got rid of tests because students couldn't handle the pressure - they just graded coursework. Really?
We're living in weak times and it's sad to see that people can't take a butt whopping every now and then and grow stronger from the experience like it used to be.
The majority of people are not driven-to-succeed, nor are they effective self-starters but most are very overconfident in their abilities, the combination of which usually does not lead to success. Since WGU is entirely online and doesn't have fixed assignments, there was no way for the institution to know who was making progress until they performed the task in question. Who is stuck vs who is lazy vs who thought this was a great idea and decided to bail at the first sign or effort required but also didn't tell anyone?
I see program mentors a lot like HR departments, their role can certainly help the student but their real role is to protect the university. Protect WGU from what? The potential of losing its accreditation due to too many people floundering or leaving without notice.
Instead what they said was "we have policies to protect students and we stick by them". That's what I have a problem with - applying generic restrictions unilaterally when your whole marketing pitch is that the student can create their own success. They can't if you don't let them.
If you are having a problem with your mentor, can’t you just ask for a new one?
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Program mentor I did ask. They refused.
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Probably 99% of the people going to WGU are later bloomers. The majority of people that are going to WGU are people who have surpassed the nation wide norm for ages that people traditionally attend college.
When I was 18 years of age I had never heard of WGU. I found out about WGU on this website. People graduating high school next year aren't considering going to WGU after graduation. With that being said, people such as myself could have used a "mentor" in earlier years of life. When you hit your 20's, 30's, 40's, and 50's are decide to finally get a degree (from WGU) it's hard for me to fathom that a "mentor" can be a disservice. Obviously earlier in our years we weren't able to get a degree. Maybe we lacked knowing the importance of a degree or for numerous other reasons.
It's 24hrs in a day. Counting working days Monday - Friday that is 120 hours. People have and will continue to complain about talking to a mentor who is trying to help you once a week for 10 minutes (or less) on the phone. I am baffled LOL
People will always complain about a (1 Term) 4k degree. People will always have the option to spend 40K on a degree and not have to deal with a mentor
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