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A co-worker of mine just passed an MS exam and we were discussing it, and here comes the boss lady joining in on the conversation. This lady literally doesn't know the difference between a hub/switch/router. I've always just assumed she was a non-technical manager type. I have helped her with very basic stuff in the past.

Lo and behold, she says "Oh yeah, I've got MCSE, MCITP:EA, CCNP, CCVP. I've got a bunch of those."

She proceeds to rattle off all of the well known **** sites that she used to "study", and then acted ignorant when I sarcastically mentioned that it "must be nice to know all of the answers ahead of time."

Turns out, they get a skills incentive bonus for holding professional level certifications. Apparently, it is just common practice for all of these managers to just **** a bunch of certifications for the bonus.

Is it bad that for a second or two, I wanted to punch her in the face? Nope, I quietly excused myself back to my desk to watch my CBT Nuggets...

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CChN

LarryDaMan wrote: »

YOU would know that you cheated. Everytime you looked at your certificate, YOU would know that it was a fraud. That should be enough.

This statement is based on the assumption that the person in question has a soul.

On a completely unrelated note, damn you ex-girlfriend.

Mishra

These conversations are about the only things that I don't like reading on this forum because I mostly enjoy the encouragement and good values that others give in this forum.

I don't really like reading these because most people always try to put their moral values on this perfect and 100% lawful perspective. No matter how many times you all try to say that you wouldn't do anything morally wrong to better yourself, it just isn't true. You just aren't perfect, I'm sorry. I don't think there is a single person in this world that doesn't break the law on a fairly constant basis.

I will be the first to tell someone that braindumping is cheating. I also don't think that dumpers are correct for what they do. Certifications are there for learning thus you should treat them as such.

However, I'm not perfect. I can think of plenty of situations where I would **** on an exam. I can also think of plenty of situations where I would do something morally wrong to better myself. For example, I would throw a tomato in someone's face for a million dollars. Just like I would **** on an exam if an interviewer said that I could make an extra 25K a year if I achieved my 2008 certs in 2 days.

If I first heard of this story about this woman who cheated, I would probably feel she definitely did the wrong thing. I would think that because she brags about her certifications. But when you all try to argue against all of ilcram's posts when he is just trying to put a more realistic view on things, thats when I disagree.

Maybe these posts just look bad because the people that actually have a more realistic view on this subject just choose not to speak.

dynamik

And sometimes you're just young and need the money. Wait, nevermind...

msteinhilber

Mishra wrote: »

I don't really like reading these because most people always try to put their moral values on this perfect and 100% lawful perspective. No matter how many times you all try to say that you wouldn't do anything morally wrong to better yourself, it just isn't true. You just aren't perfect, I'm sorry. I don't think there is a single person in this world that doesn't break the law on a fairly constant basis.

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However, I'm not perfect. I can think of plenty of situations where I would **** on an exam. I can also think of plenty of situations where I would do something morally wrong to better myself. For example, I would throw a tomato in someone's face for a million dollars. Just like I would **** on an exam if an interviewer said that I could make an extra 25K a year if I achieved my 2008 certs in 2 days.

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Maybe these posts just look bad because the people that actually have a more realistic view on this subject just choose not to speak.

I would disagree with your statement that most of the population in this world breaks the law on a fairly regular basis. Really though, you haven't just included laws - you are talking about a mix of law and morals really which are two wildly different things. You can abide by the law but have poor ethics/morals. I do not run around rampantly breaking laws, nor do I run around rampantly using poor moral conduct. Am I perfect? Absolutely not, everybody has their flaws - you are correct there, but I think you are painting a much worse picture than how it really is - at least for everybody like you seem to have lumped everybody in to.

I will be the first to admit that I spent several years of my life where I really only cared about myself and had a complete disregard for those around me. I made a lot of money at a young age through some of my actions such as paying some employees very low wages and working them hard with the promise of great rewards if goals out of reach were attained. Then something happened, one of my employees who was also a friend ended up getting burnt out and understandably so. They eventually had an encounter with a customer that they used a poor choice of judgment in handling the situation primarily because of their frustration with their job (which was my responsibility). I was fueled by greed and selfishness, up until I was forced to let my friend go after the complaint from the customer worked its way up the ladder. It was at this moment that I spent a considerable amount of time looking within myself and vowed to make some significant changes. That coupled with a change in employment that took away my ability to earn commissions also put me into check financially as well, and I began to realize that money isn't everything and that greed and selfishness can certainly buy you a lot of toys, but what good are all of your toys if you have nobody to enjoy them with?

The point I've been trying to get across in this thread is not that everybody should be completely pure and honest in every aspect of their life, because I completely agree - that will never be the case, even the finest citizens of this world have their skeletons. What I've been trying to convey is that the world is not a complete everyone for themselves pit of war. The view ilcram was trying to paint, the way I read it, was everyman for himself because the corporate world simply doesn't care about you, it is evil, do what you need to do. You'll notice I did not respond and say that "oh no, the world is pure and full of prosperous companies that love each and every one of their employees". There are good, and there is bad. Unfortunately, I read more and more about people who are always in the "all about myself" mindset and I feel that the more employees out there that think that way, the more problems everybody in general will have with companies beginning to treat their workforce more poorly.

ilcram19-2

msteinhilber wrote: »

I will be the first to admit that I spent several years of my life where I really only cared about myself and had a complete disregard for those around me. I made a lot of money at a young age through some of my actions such as paying some employees very low wages and working them hard with the promise of great rewards if goals out of reach were attained.
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damn dude i dont think i would ever do something like that and im not the moral type i respect humanity in all its forms. Morals is also part of the society wtf do you do but i think we shoudl have a judment and be able to understand situation or people, sometime poeple tend to do things no by nature or by instinc but by the influence of society and the things around them no one is perfect but we shoudl have better judment

Kasor

This happened and hate to say that I will not feel bad for those person to get fire.